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No Thiemeite I have ever met has ever said that there is only one spiritual gift. Yet another straw man argument set up. No Thiemeite I have ever met relegated other spiritual gifts as non-essential or non-existent. Straw man argument yet again.
...The berating of those who did not come to "class" indicating that alone they could not study the scriptures is out of line. The learning of spiritual things is a spiritual function (cf 1 Corinthians 2:14-16) yet we do need to take in the word of God (1 Peter 2:2) being equipped by pastors and teachers (Eph 4:11) who instruct in the principles of the Christian life (Hebrews 5:11-6:2) hence we submit to them (Hebrews 13:7, 17). But to make an equation that Thiemeites hold to an idea that the Holy Spirit is activated by a human being is dishonest and disingenuous.
If that were an honest statement, I have to say zeebrook has never met any thiemite at all period. No strawman here just the facts.
Perhaps zeebrook would like to tell us of the other "essential" spiritual gifts Thieme allowed in class? Thieme didn't allow any other gifted people to speak.
Only Thieme spoke with extremist authority and required submission to his authority as a so called pastor/teacher. Otherwise? the christian was cutoff from submitting to G-d or walkiing the christian walk. PERIOD. According to Thieme, if you want to walk the christian walk? You have to get past Thieme's authority before you can spiritually function to submit to G-d's authority.
zeebrook is just flat wrong here. Don't let zeebrook's use of flowery academic terms intimidate you. Thiemites believed that the Holy Spirit was most certainly activated by submitting to Thieme's authority:
Thieme, Super Grace booklet, under the section "THE ISSUE OF THE SUPER-GRACE LIFE":
"To submit to the authority of God demands entrance into certain grace functions: the filling of the Spirit, the intake of Bible doctrine, submission to the pastor-teacher. God has designed a grace system for transmission of doctrine from the canon of Scripture into your soul. It is only doctrine in your soul which is usable; and this, of course, is the basis for the power and function of the Christian way of life.... You cannot learn doctrine apart from the one who has the gift of pastor-teacher and therefore the authority. As long as you live you will be dependent on your right pastor, the final authority in the local church. Since you cannot feed yourself, you must go to the place where there is authority — a pastor-teacher communicating to a congregation."
That is an obvious CULT lie. No strawman. Note here Thieme doesn't even say "submission to the pastor-teachers authority". He drops "authority" and just says submission to the pastor-teacher. Equipping indicates that one is eventually equipped, not Thieme's quote "...As long as you live you will be dependent on your right pastor, the final authority..."
A christian can immediately submit to G-d's will through the Holy Spirit and by the Work of Jesus through Jesus' intercession by faith and prayer COMPLETELY ON THIER OWN, and search the scriptures without having to go through the cult of submitting to Thieme's authority as so called pastor/teacher.
I John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things
, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. [interlinearbible.org
Ephesians 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things
, which is the head, even Christ: 16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part , maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
2 Corinthians 1:24 Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand.
I have already proven [forum.culteducation.com
] how peithoarcheo is not used between christians truthing in love, instead peithesthe is used in Hebrews 13:17.
All christians with all the gifts including elders are to submit one unto another Ephesians 5:21Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 12/15/2011 06:07AM by Truthtesty.