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Liz 25 l did notice your post and thoughts may vary, but that is permissable here so that is healthy.
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Mirmac

Thank you moderator, for doing a sterling job of ridding this forum of "disruptors".

Question regarding AS.

I think I read here that she has been preaching at the Church of the Nazarene, Largs? Is this true? The reason I ask is because the Church of Nazarene, Largs record and publish all their meetings/sermons on their Facebook page and I can see no proof of AS ever preaching. The only occasion she appears to have made it on to the platform was to give a scripted reading regarding the time of advent. Perhaps the Church of the Nazarene aren't as gullible when it comes to the AS charm offensive afterall? Perhaps her awful reputation precedes her, in this case?

Mulberry, good question we heard she did speak and is considered a help mate/ elder when their ministers return to the states. Please remember this person is devious and manipulative beyond measure. She would probably have mics off as well Video's.
There is also the issue of gaslighting in the other smaller groups they run. She has been ingratiating herself big style.
Hope this helps to clarify

Mirmac

Mirmac Wrote:
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> Mulberry, good question we heard she did speak and
> is considered a help mate/ elder when their
> ministers return to the states. Please remember
> this person is devious and manipulative beyond
> measure. She would probably have mics off as well
> Video's.
> There is also the issue of gaslighting in the
> other smaller groups they run. She has been
> ingratiating herself big style.
> Hope this helps to clarify
>
> Mirmac

Oh good grief! I do hope she hasn't been given any position of leadership, no matter how minor. Surely the pastors wouldn't put some "Johnny- come-lately" on their platform without thorough investigation?

BigJacque has to be an external troll, surely no one in Struthers is that unhinged. Or maybe they are now adding something to the communion wine?

Phoebe2, I hope you stick around and continue to post, your contributions have been very interesting and I've enjoyed reading them. I do think some people have and will continue to come here and stir things up with nonsense in order to make this discussion lose credibility. Many cults do this - Scientology for example are the masters at it. Thankfully the moderators step in when required.

I have often wondered how bad it must have been for SMC children who went to Cedars school. There is no escape, no respite, absolutely no chance for your brain to ever take in anything that wasn't SMC indoctrination, for 7 days a week. And no one ever thought this might not be a good idea?! And consequences at the weekend in church for things in school - this is just abuse, plain and simple. It's wrong. Thank God the Cedars school is no more.

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Amazing grace
At one point I was attending 7 meetings a week:
Monday night Greenock Bible study
Tuesday night Glasgow Bible study (when Mr Black was alive)
Thursday ..house group
Friday prayer meeting Glasgow until it was stopped and then youth group Greenock
Saturday night meeting Greenock then eventually Glasgow
Sunday morning and Sunday night Glasgow
All while first studying full time then working full time!

So you averaged one SMC meeting every day of the week. Just madness. For young people in particular this is so debilitating. When are you meant to do anything for yourself in your own life? Further your career? Make friends? Explore God's earth? But that's the point. SMC don't want you to. They don't care about you. The only thing they care about is that you don't think about anything other then Struthers. And that way they can control every part of your entire life

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FatHippo
But it still blows my mind that so many intelligent adults join this thing voluntarily, and then stay there for the rest of their lives.

Upon reflection I think I may need to apologise for what I said here. Sorry if this was offensive to anyone who joined, it wasn’t meant to be.

Having researched cults for some time I now understand that nobody actively sets out to join a cult or high-control group. They join movements, communities, causes, or groups that meet their needs and ideals. Something they believe to be good, purposeful, and fulfilling. They join because the group offers something they’re missing in their lives at the time: belonging, purpose, identity, answers, structure, hope, or even adventure.

But over time, control tightens through gradual demands, isolation, fear, and more. Like boiling a frog, the heat rises so slowly they don’t notice until escape feels impossible. Then the person becomes trapped in their own ‘prison of belief’.

Because I never actively wanted to go to a single meeting, it's still difficult for me to grasp how someone would be excited to do so. But I appreciate that everyone will have had their own personal circumstances that lined up in a way that attending Struthers seemed appealing and right at the time. I never felt any positive emotions of any kind during any meeting, camp, conference, passion play, house group etc etc. Just relief when that event was over. I only ever wanted to not have to go. My personal circumstances never drove me to seek out something like this, so I just can’t relate to it.

I pop out for a few hours and this is what I come back to? Where to even begin! Have really enjoyed catching up.

Sorry to see big-jack-in-a-box get banned. That was top entertainment for sure. Absolutely loved the OTT writing style - well done whoever you are, best laugh I've had on here in ages. (I don't believe for a single minute you're part of SMC - LOL).

Hippo - almost all of what you say resonates with me. Good content - thank you. Also, Al Duff excellent, rigorous analysis on the financial shenanigans. We need that.

Name-calling seems to be a bit of an issue. I'm really not inclined to try and shut people down. We each need to be accountable for what we write. If people feel that it's justified and have their own reasons then, so be it. (Clearly, not encouraging anyone to do anything illegal).

It's been a while since I've said it so just to recap:

I'm looking for and indeed hoping for the total and complete collapse of SMC. Crushed to dust with not a trace remaining. Extinguished. Destroyed. Yes, I've held some sympathy in the past for the 'good people' that are left languishing. That sympathy has long since gone. It's time for a wake up.

None of these people, past or present, are God's anointed or God's mouth-piece. What kind of deluded, self-serving charlatan thinks that they are? There is no such thing. There is zero evidence for it and no reason to believe it. These people have no power other than the power given to them by sycophantic, weak-minded people. I have been weak-minded - it's not a slight or slanderous, it's a fact. Simply do not do as they say and their 'power' is gone.

By the way, if we take jack-in-a-box's analysis to be true, i.e., 90% of what's said here is false. Given that there's 2.5k posts in this thread, that leaves 250 truth-bombs of explosive, light-shining content.

PS - Just to be clear, fully crushed / exterminated / removed / destroyed.

This expose of Struthers is decades-old.

A multitude of participants (petitor and others) have labored faithfully all that time in the heat of the day.

What is significant is the recent arrival of a new group of younger ex members of Struthers.

Their reports suggest that Struthers has not changed.



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Please see below, testimony from one who chose to leave CON. She who shall not be named is now in CON so they will be in even bigger error!
Blessings everyone.


I did not leave the Church of the Nazarene because I found the people to be insincere hypocrites. Nor did something happen to offend me personally. I left because error condemns one, regardless of sincerity (Matthew 15:14; II John 9-11); and the Nazarene Church was founded and does flourish upon error. Christ desired that His followers be ONE (John 17:20-21), yet the Nazarene Church exists, as does any denomination, because man disregards the prayerful wishes of Christ. These Bible truths cut through all the external good works being done by Nazarenes (Matthew 7:21-24), therefore I left the Nazarenes to become a Christian, and only a Christian. I was a member of a denomination that began less than 100 years ago. "In Oct., 1895 a number of persons under the leadership of Phineas F. Bresee, and J. P. Widney, formed the First Church of the Nazarene at Los Angeles, CA." (Church Manual, pg. 17). These men agreed on this name after about nine years during which a number of people "Interested in promoting the Wesleyan Doctrine and entire sanctification organized and held weekly religious services." (Ibid. pg. 1 ) Ignoring this secular history, I sought to be a "hyphenated Christian." I felt that Paul must have been a "Nazarene-Christian" based upon Acts 24:5, where he is called a "Ringleader of the sect of Nazarenes." I even heard preachers say that since Jesus was "Called a Nazarene" (Matthew 2:23), then believers should be called Nazarenes.

Jesus was a Nazarene because He was from Nazareth, and "That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets." The name seems to have been given to the followers of Christ by their enemies as a name of aspersion. The early disciples were given the name Christian (Acts 11:27). This is the name that glorifies God (I Peter 4:16). Even after Paul was accused of being a "Ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes" he tried to persuade Agrippa to become a Christian not a Nazarene (Acts 26:28). How can we do that which the apostles of the Lord would not do? (Philippians 4:9). I could not, therefore I left the Nazarene Church.

I made my way to the altar, described earlier, because this is what I had been told to do. I truly wanted to be saved, expressing this desire, I was told:"Lay it all upon the altar, call on the name of the Lord, keep nothing back, pray through, leave it to God ..." I was only told what they were led to believe by their Church Manual (pg. 30). There was much shouting and loud praying. The preacher, and others gathered around me, laying their hands on me, weeping openly and praying for me. After awhile, I felt an emotional relief, like nothing I ever felt before. I jumped up and lifting hands toward heaven, shouted: "I'm saved, thank you Jesus." I began to work diligently, I scheduled recreational events, home prayer meetings, I participated in the Nazarene Young People's Society (N.Y.P.S.). Much later I was baptized.

After reading through the book of Acts, I went to our "Minister of Music," an ordained preacher and a close personal friend, telling him I wanted to be baptized. The only reason I could give was "Peter said to be." (Acts 2:38). After consulting with the "Pastor" I chose to be immersed. This might surprise those who do not know that the Nazarene Church offers you an option. "We believe that Christian baptism is a sacrament signifying acceptance of the benefits of the atonement of Jesus Christ to be administered to believers ... Baptism being the symbol of the New Testament, young children may be baptized ... Baptism may be administered by sprinkling, pouring, or immersion." (Church Manual, pg. 33).

A greater injustice has not been done to the Lord's plan of salvation than done by the Church of the Nazarene. I do not know what happened to me that Sunday evening, but it did not save me. No one was ever saved by praying through at an altar. Search the New Testament and you will never find the sinner being told to pray for salvation. You will never find salvation coming as a result of shouting, crying or praying. You will never find where the Bible says that baptism is a symbol, or that one is saved at the point of faith.