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Sunday, 27 February 2011 19:46 Acharya S Contributing Writers - Acharya S

The new buzz word is "multiculturalism," which is evidently a code word for "Islamization," as it is really the culture of Islam that is at the heart of the current debate about "multiculturalism." Over the past few months, major European leaders such as Germany's Angela Merkel, France's Nicolas Sarkozy and Britain's David Cameron have come forth to pronounce "multiculturalism" a failure. Yet, Europe has been welcoming immigrants into its fold for decades and centuries, with no serious problems for the most part. Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Americans and many others have all settled in European lands, assimilating relatively well and contributing somewhat at least to the native cultures there. It is only with the flood of immigrants from Muslim countries that suddenly "multiculturalism" has become a bad thing.

One must wonder, therefore, why so many Jewish organizations have been pushing for "multiculturalism" in Europe and elsewhere, especially since the upswing of "anti-Semitism" in Europe, for one, is significantly traceable to the Muslim population there? If, as one group claims, forcing Europe to become "multicultural" is for the purpose of increasing "tolerance" towards Jews and to prevent another Holocaust, then the plan would seem to be failing miserably, as, because of anti-Semitic attacks, Jews are now fleeing once-relatively enlightened places such as the Swedish city of Malmö, which is now largely Muslim.





NOTE: Expressions of violence against any religious group will not be passed through. Nor will "white supremacy" comments or those supporting Muslims against Jews. Thank you.

Add New Search Comments (41) |2011-02-28 11:51:18 Fact0id
You say that 'Muslims' have forced 'Jews' to flee the City of Malmo, and cite this article [www.thelocal.se] 'Jews are now fleeing once-relatively enlightened places such as the Swedish city of Malmö, which is now largely Muslim.' But the article states that the main cause of the Jewish flight from Malmo was in fact a growing number of Far-Right 'Neo-Nazis'. You also state as if it is a 'fact' that Malmo is largely 'Muslim'. This is simply a fallacy and invention. While Malmo has a significant minority of 'Muslim's, they are a 'Minority.12ReplyQuote
|2011-02-28 12:09:02 Acharya S
I guess you missed this part of that article:


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In addition to the far-left, Sieradzki said that a "very small segment" of the city’s growing population of Muslim immigrants from Arab countries in the Middle East are also responsible for growing anti-Semitism.

It doesn't matter how big the segment is, these Muslims are acting on centuries-old anti-Semitism that is ingrained in their scriptures. Other articles are more forthright in the declarations that it's Muslims in significant part who are responsible for the upswing of Jew-hatred in Europe.

"This new hatred comes from Muslim immigrants. The Jewish people are afraid now."

It does a great disservice to these Jews and other European natives to deflect the attention off the Muslim source of bigotry.

I carefully used the word "largely," not "mainly," for accuracy. It remains accurate. "Significantly" is also a good word, but I had already used it above. An estimated one-quarter of the population of Malmo is Muslim, which is certainly a large amount.

Someone who has studied this subject would know these facts being reported in many news articles.33ReplyQuote
|2011-03-01 02:11:37 Chris Smith - Muslims are no more Anti Semitic than Jews are Ant
Muslims are no more Anti Semitic than Jews are Anti Gentile!

Take Rabbi Ovidia Yosef for example who recently said that "all non Jews are animals put here solely to serve the Jews".

[www.jpost.com]

Many will say that he is not representative of the Jewish viewpoint, but there is a lot of terrible racism abound in the Torah, the Talmud and Jewish culture. Just look at Israel, for Pete's sake, there you have racist laws against non Jews, concerning marriage, immigration etc... Also the Yiddish and highly derogatory names which are used as pronouns for non Jews - even on tv programs such as Seinfeld! It is in your face, out and out, racism. If whites said those things about blacks there would be uproar, and rightly so.

Professor Israel shahak, a Jewish Israeli Professor, wrote a whole book documenting the racism inherent in Judaism. Full text here: [radioislam.org]

Being a filthy goy animal, I am more concerned about "Jewish Anti Gentilism" than I am about "Muslim Anti Semitism".31ReplyQuote
|2011-02-28 17:59:29 Brian - It's Time...
Jews are bringing Muslims unto Europe, because they hate European people more than Muslims. Seems we have a common enemy here. Time for White Nationalists and Patriotic Christians to officially ally with the Arab / Muslim World against JEWS. 232ReplyQuote
|2011-02-28 12:17:58 Acharya S
I passed your message through in order to address it, but I will not pass through others of the same vein.

What you are suggesting is absolute folly, as should be obvious from the massive destruction of Europe being caused by Muslim immigrants. The point is not to ally with those who wish to destroy our Western societies but to figure out why they are being imported in huge numbers into Europe in the first place, with tremendous detriment to the native cultures there.

Islam is the worst thing that could ever happen to a woman, and I will NEVER join ranks with such a vile ideology.22ReplyQuote
|2011-03-01 06:15:36 ewkeane
Islam respects Jesus and Mary, and is against interst (usury, the growing of money, and gaining without work).
I suppose that as long as Chistians dont try to destroy their holy places, or insult what is sacred to them, that they might play nice.
I suppose that their world has things we need, and ours, to them, and that diplomats from both sides could plainly express the needs of their peoples with candor (and in public), and that all the problems could be prioritized, and delt with.
Its foolish to dwell on the sins of the fathers. It is twice foolish to make the same mistakes as our fathers.10ReplyQuote
|2011-03-01 17:09:24 Acharya S
Insulting what is sacred to Islam is far too easy, such as criticizing its founder for orchestrating the murders of hundreds, kidnapping women for sex slaves and having sex with 9-year-old girls.

Also, Islam insults Christianity because it demotes Jesus from the son of God to a mere prophet. It also equates Jesus with the Joshua of the Old Testament, and Mary with Joshua's mother, Miriam.

Moreover, the whole "usury" business is a smokescreen, because Islamic/sharia finance charges a fee that is basically equivalent to the interest. Islamic finance is used to finance Islam, period. It cares not a whit for anyone else.

Islam will never leave anyone alone, and its most fundamental adherents will never play nice.

Here are the solutions to Islamic encroachment in the U.S., written by ex-Muslim Persian activist Amil Imani:

Ways to Defeat Islamic Jihadism

Again... none of this matters. Acharya S's work is not passed around in the Zeitgeist Movement due to any mandate by the Zeitgeist Movement. Individuals are allowed to read whatever they want. But you won't see her work in Jacque Fresco's reading list. And point of fact Peter has instructed us not to push it as it is her thing and has nothing to do with us.

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David
Neil, aka VTV,
Banning someone from a forum is not cultist abuse. I agree with this.

Being an abusive cult, as TZM is and was, and then banning someone for stating it, is exactly an abusive cult banning someone. I had already called out TZM for cultist abuse in that thread and rightly so.

I notice you keep dodging the question Mr. Ross asked me to ask you. DEFINE abuse? The ENTIRE basis for your claims that we are abusive are derived from our anonymous moderators. And not plastering our financial information everywhere. As Mr. Ross pointed out, neither of these things are cult abuse. If we were asking for a lot of money for associating with us that would be different. But we don't. And this forum has anonymous moderators. As Mr. Ross has neither publicly known moderators, nor does he plaster his financial information everywhere by your own flawed definition he could be a cult leader. (And he is not. For the same reasons.) And this is the distinction he suggested I use. How is TZM abusive? Banning people from a forum, having anonymous moderators DOES NOT QUALIFY as abuse. Please list examples of sexual harassment, physical intimidation, forced mental abuse, etc. THOSE are examples of cult abuse. The reason you cannot list them is because it doesn't happen. Because we are not a cult. We are an activist movement. With no internally coercive elements. If people don't like the way our forums run, they can make their own. I in fact have made my own to talk to people from outside the movement and my only rule for participation is no personal attack, or excessive logical fallacy.

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David
I am not insulting you. It starts with each of us fixing our own issues. I have mine, you have yours, etc. You can do better and offer more if you would stop and realize that you do not have the proper expertise and education at directing others. It is big responsibility and others should not be an experiment for you to learn things about your own current shortfalls in communication. The real professionals work with each other and it is apart of their teaching that it is required to have a common consensus where possible, educate each other, share what they have learned, etc. It is regrettable and irresponsible choice when others think they have what takes to direct others, unilaterally and/or with the help of other uneducated people, and actually do not.

Really? So what are your credentials that give you the ability to try and do exactly what your suggesting I am unqualified to do? Are you a behavioral scientist? What degrees do you hold. Your all about transparency. Well your trying to tell me what I should do and what I should associate. I would like to see your dossier. Otherwise, I think your argument here is going to fall flat on it's face.

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David
You are lucky guy Neil. You are still relatively young and can learn from this experience. It may take years to get it all worked out, but you will be “you” once you do. That is all I want for you or anyone else.

Why would you want others to be you and see things your way? Did you ever think that perhaps the choices we make are all that really matter? It does not matter if a person does something for one reason or another, so long as the proper choice is made and made for a healthy reason. The individual is what is real. Each has their own perception of this world and each is entitled to that. I think I can speak for most when I say, we do not want a world of the controlling views of one or a few people being shoved down our throats. We will never accept that.

As futile and hopeless as it may seem, there is hope and help available. You should read through this entire website, not just the forum. I have seen many terrible traits associated with people doing wrong that I have been guilty of. It is one step at a time for me too. One of the most painful things I have had to face is my own bad choices. We all can make better choices if we try and are lucky enough to have the proper educational material and support. Hurting others, whether intentional or not, is going to cause a healthy mind, guilt. With guilt, comes pain. It is required that we acknowledge our wrong doings. It is required that we apologize with a detailed explanation to prove we have learned and understand, if possible. It is required that we make better choices. Then we can move on in a healthy way.

Interesting. You tell me I do not have the training or expertise to suggest anything to anyone and then you sermonize to me. I can't wait for that dossier. Particularly since no professional would ever think they could make such claims of understanding of a given person's behavior by reading a couple of internet posts. You have never spoken to me. You don't know who I am or what I do in my day to day life.

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David
You have mentioned that I have some sort of agenda to look important, etc., control the dialog, etc. There is some truth to that Neil. However, here, at this place, I am fortunate in that I am not in complete control and others, with more experience in these matters, continue to expose the BS and let me speak my mind. They seem to understand exactly what to do and I am confident they will correct me when required. They do not judge me for being upset. Instead, they post relevant information to further my education in treating people respectfully. I am no different than you Neil. We all can benefit if we care enough to look at our own choices and why we made them.

The reason I feel you have an agenda is that your argument that you continue to repeat after it already having been refuted several times is that the sole reasoning for any cult activity is anonymous moderators, and financial transparency issues that an ACTUAL expert on this very website your telling me to read from does not agree with you on. Your warm-fuzzy sermon up above I suspect is a well crafted attempt to appear that you have some sort of concern. But the fact is what your suggesting does not even fit the criteria of a cult at all. And with your constant repetition of the ultimatum that I have to follow to get you to stop your smear campaign is to re-instate you on the forums is further evidence of my assertions. I find it dubious indeed that you are repeating the same agenda that people who are actively engaged in lo brow harassment campaigns do. Which is that your vendetta is totally fueled by being banned from an internet forum. And try to construe this as abuse is incredibly dishonest. And a dis-service to people who are actually being abused. I find that highly dishonest and immoral.

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David
The reality is that TZM has ideas of what things must be in order to work, but they have no complete practical plan for implementing it. Starting with a blank slate is not realistic.

I have seen on more than one occasion, words from TZM members that our system will imploded, self-destruct, etc., and that is what TZM believes is required for the positive change. I caution everyone who believes this. If such an event or events occur where everything falls apart, the hope is people will work together and fix the problems. This is an extremely and unrealistic proposition. If people do not know how to treat each other properly, if and when the crap hits the fan, the result will probably be automatic gun fire within a few days, as we saw in New Orleans after Katrina.

You can disagree with our solutions. That does not make us a cult. The Republicans don't agree with the Democrats on health care. They don't pull the ad hominem of suggesting that the Democrats are a cult. They do sometimes call them communists or socialists to invoke an emotional response to try and coerce the Democrats to go along with them for fear of the negative connotations of that label. I feel that is exactly why some trolls have turned to trying to call us a cult. And always with certain ultimatums that go along with their demand of allowing them to use our forums and abuse people at their whim.

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David
TZM needs professional help and guidance in directing others. Those that have put in place the system as it now is within TZM, are clearly not qualified at directing others. Hence, it has become an abusive cult. A suggestion would be to put in place a democratic system and properly educated people experienced in the direction of others and for you and all the others, currently in control, to step down.

I am sorry, but this is patently absurd. There are organizations all over the world that operate for various causes that don't have "professionally trained" people managing everything.

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David
The above paragraph is idealistic. The realities are that TZM has no thought out and workable plan to accomplish its goals and vision. If you want to only educate others to what things are in the world, as long as you are not abusing people, this is fine. However, TZM asks for the resources of others, abuses others, does not clearly answer legitimate questions, is unable to properly communicate with many people, and is selling an idea that is quite literally, a fairytale.

AGAIN. PLEASE DEFINE ABUSIVE. And stop insulting the intellect of everyone here, and cheapening the actual victims of real cults by suggesting your banning from an internet forum is abuse. Or that anonymous moderators are abuse. I already debunked your "asking for resources of others" nonsense more then once.

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David
To say in anyway, that TZM has the actual answers, is an outright lie.

I feel this statement is an outright lie. But it is not uncommon for this sort of language to be used in political debate. I again point to Conservatives vs. Liberals. Both sides will exchange this sort of language and that is all your doing here. Again, you don't have to agree with us for us to not be a cult.

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David
Many people have made points that TZM were unable to address. Without answers to the tough questions, there is nothing in TZM, but a dream. People cannot live on dreams. It is just that simple.

This is a fallacy. Do not speak for "Many people" and expect that to hold water. Even if it were true, that's not evidence of cult activity or abuse. Conservatives ask Liberals for answers and do not like the answers and claim that the Liberals did not address their concerns all the time. And vice versa. Your disagreement with our suggestion does not make us a cult. And the fact that you continue to berate this point further proves that you are not motivated by any real concern about us being a cult and instead have some objection to our proposed economic solutions themselves and are using the term "cult" as an ad hominem. Couple this with the extremely weak argument that having anonymous moderators automatically makes us a cult (which IS what you said) further proves my suspicion as to your true motive.

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David
Additionally, I point to the fact that there is endless fighting and name calling between the members. In its simplest form, TZM is currently unable to maintain peaceful coexistence between its own members. If the crap hits the fan, TZM will in no way be qualified at directing others through the misery and pain. They will however, be in a position to take advantage of others. That is all they will have and it is not somewhere any healthy mind wants to be, either on the abusive end or the receiving end.

This statement is again, patently false. There is no endless fighting and name calling. Ironically, the people who are calling us a cult now were largely kicked off our forums for trying to engage in just that. In other words, the people who your saying you read about on the internet calling us a cult are almost universally banned for abusive activity in the first place.

Rick, corboy, etc. I do not know what do about this guy anymore. I would appreciate it if you all handled this from now on. I am tired of his lies. He is an abuser and is proud of his choices.

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DavidWish
Rick, corboy, etc. I do not know what do about this guy anymore. I would appreciate it if you all handled this from now on. I am tired of his lies. He is an abuser and is proud of his choices.

How are you being abused? I asked the same questions Rick asked me to ask and you are not forthcoming with any answers. I feel the abuse going on here is your abuse of the term "cult".

Your agenda is to see to it that we no longer have anonymous moderators. Ironically I learned about this thread because I monitor some of the people who harass us. They have been giving an active commentary on this conversation which further causes me to wonder as to your identity. You repeatedly demanded that we have all our moderators reveal themselves and I feel this is likely motivated by an interest of finding more victims for harassment. That is certainly what would be done with that information as it has in the links I have provided.

Moderators, I ask you to investigate this person's IP address. And look into who they are. I honestly feel this person is abusing your forum for a petty agenda.

VTV:

Just as your moderators can remain anonymous. The members of this message board can also remain anonymous.

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rrmoderator
VTV:

Just as your moderators can remain anonymous. The members of this message board can also remain anonymous.

Well of course. Not for my benefit but yours. It's none of my business, but as a moderator myself I think it would behoove you to know if someone was pretending to be a "concerned person" to try and make it look like we are a cult for their own purposes. Up to you though. I am actually satisfied with the direction this debate has taken. I asked what you asked me to ask and the person in question is not forthcoming. That's enough for me.

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vtv
How is TZM abusive?

1. You personally use an ad hominem double standard and attack people, pretty much as your core personal habit.
2. Then you delete the evidence.
3. You ban people for standing up to you or in order to censor them.
4. You promote social and civil violence in a war against money.
5. You make assorted threats, and lies about people.
6. You blacklist people and instruct your members to cyberstalk them and file false reports about them.
7. You continue to lie about them here and other places.

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vtv

Banning people from a forum,

is abusive if you are doing it for your own strategic advantage rather than because of some actual wrongdoing on the other person part.

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vtv
having anonymous moderators DOES NOT QUALIFY as abuse.

In your case, it most certainly does.

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vtv

Please list examples of sexual harassment, physical intimidation, forced mental abuse, etc. THOSE are examples of cult abuse.

No problem. [ni4d-issues.rbefoundation.com]

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vtv
The reason you cannot list them is because it doesn't happen.

simply a transparent lie.

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vtv

Because we are not a cult. We are an activist movement. With no internally coercive elements.

again, another transparent lie.

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vtv

If people don't like the way our forums run, they can make their own. I in fact have made my own to talk to people from outside the movement and my only rule for participation is no personal attack, or excessive logical fallacy.

never mind that you incessantly make personal attacks and couldn't manage a cogent argument to save your soul.

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vtv


Interesting. You tell me I do not have the training or expertise to suggest anything to anyone and then you sermonize to me. I can't wait for that dossier. Particularly since no professional would ever think they could make such claims of understanding of a given person's behavior by reading a couple of internet posts.

thisis like his claim i can't tell what state of consciousness hes in over the net. Of course hes in a beta brainwave state or he couldn't use verbal language. Similarly, its easy to spot a sociopathic liar with only moderate skills.

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vtv

The reason I feel you have an agenda is that your argument that you continue to repeat after it already having been refuted several times

Again, you claiming a refutation is merely your claim.

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vtv
is that the sole reasoning for any cult activity is anonymous moderators, and financial transparency issues that an ACTUAL expert on this very website your telling me to read from does not agree with you on. Your warm-fuzzy sermon up above I suspect is a well crafted attempt to appear that you have some sort of concern. But the fact is what your suggesting does not even fit the criteria of a cult at all. And with your constant repetition of the ultimatum that I have to follow to get you to stop your smear campaign is to re-instate you on the forums is further evidence of my assertions. I find it dubious indeed that you are repeating the same agenda that people who are actively engaged in lo brow harassment campaigns do. Which is that your vendetta is totally fueled by being banned from an internet forum. And try to construe this as abuse is incredibly dishonest. And a dis-service to people who are actually being abused. I find that highly dishonest and immoral.

Listen close to the vtv ad hom factory. He can't help it. This is who he is. A personal attack reflex.

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vtv

You can disagree with our solutions.

You don't have any solutions, only polarized problem definitions which are coercive to social violence.

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vtv

That does not make us a cult.

it sure fits in as a puzzle piece to tell us your a cult.

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vtv
The Republicans don't agree with the Democrats on health care. They don't pull the ad hominem of suggesting that the Democrats are a cult.

Rolls eyes. Right. Back to reality. Where republicans accuse dems of being a cult like, a million times a day. "communists" and " socialists"

Personal attacks are against the rules of this board, which everyone agrees to before posting here.

Please cease all personal attacks now.

In the future a post that contains personal attacks will not be approved and will be deleted.

Subsequent posts of personal attacks will result in the poster being banned from this message board.

Posted this in other thread, but I think it belongs here as well:

David,

While I respect your opinion of Zeitgeist and AGREE with you on most points, I would advise dropping the "banning me is a form of abuse" line of argument. It is not helping OUR position and is helping TZM. It pains me to say that, but it is true. Any group running a message board has the right to ban whoever they want. Rick Ross can and does. TZM can and do. While it may say plenty about their lack of interest in transparency and full disclosure, it is their right. They are not the government, therefore notions of "free speech" simply don't apply.

There are many, MANY points on which to criticize TZM, particularly their ties to things like Triodos Bank, Larouche, and anti-semitic conspiracy theories. Those are the points to be hammering them on, not accusing them of "abuse for banning me from their forum". Using a term like "abuse" for banning you not only gives them some high ground to argue from (notice VTV is far more interested in that point, which he can WIN points on, than addressing ties to Larouche, for example), but it also undermines the various levels of "abuse" that happen in cult situations.

Giving a kid LSD, then stabbing them and locking them in a closet (Anne Hamilton-Byrne) is ABUSE. Banning someone from an internet forum simply does not rise to that standard.

sincerely,
Shakti