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We are a freedom loving family of six who are in the process of deschooling everything they know. Our goal is to become free range humans and cut out the bull shit.
Thursday, February 3, 2011
Anyone heard of the Zeitgeist Movement?
How about the Venus Project?
The Zeitgeist Movement is what ultimately led us into the "unschooling" path. The Movement has completely shattered everything I ever believed to be true and ultimately made me rethink everything. Therefore, I seriously began to re-think my own worldview and exactly what I had been teaching my children. We are now learning and amassing great amounts of knowledge we had never thought to tap before. I just showed my 16 year old son the newest Zeitgeist movie in order to help deschool what has been drilled into him since Kindergarten about the American Government process and how we as modern people live and are destroying ourselves. The Zeitgeist Movement has three other movies on Youtube, one concerning religion that I am with-holding for the time being. I agree with it but I think it is going to be a great confusion to all my kids if I show it now.
This movie, along with the documentary, "Collapse" is extremely thought-provoking. If you are ready for a completely different documentary experience and possibly a change in the way you think, view these movies!
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The pesantren had the additional glory at that time of having been visited by the educationist Ivan Illich and pronounced good examples of the "deschooling" he favored. Deschooling wasn't perhaps the best idea to offer village people who had been barely schooled. But because of Illich's admiration the pesantren of Indonesia seemed to be yet another example of Asia providing an unexpected light, after the obfuscations of colonialism. And a young businessman of Jakarta, a supporter of Mr. Wahid's, arranged for me to visit pesantren near the city of Yogyakarta. One of the pesantren was Mr. Wahid's own; it had been established by his family.
There had followed two harrowing days: looking for the correct places first of all, moving along crowded country roads between crowded school compounds: usually quiet and sedate at the entrance, but then all at once: mobs of jeering boys and young men, some of them relaxed, in sarongs alone, breaking off from domestic chores to follow me, some of the mob shouting, "Illich! Illich!"
With that kind of distraction I wasn't sure what I was seeing, and I am sure I missed a lot. But deschooling didn't seem an inappropriate word for what I had seen. I didn't see the value of young villagers assembling in camps to learn village crafts and skills which they were going to pick up anyway.
And I was worried by the religious side: the very simple texts, the very large classes, the learning by heart, and the pretense of private study afterwards. In the crowded yards at night I saw boys sitting in the darkness before open books and pretending to read..
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DeLeonist
20th March 2009 20:24
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Hi There
I just joined your group. I am interested in a green-left perspective and the use of technology to liberate humanity.
I was wondering what you folk thought of the [www.thezeitgeistmovement.com]
They have some nutty and naive tendencies, but they are hugely popular with 250,000 members apparently and more than 30,000 visits a day.
I think there could be considerable merit for the Green-Left tendency to form alliances with the Zeitgeist movement.
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bellyscratch
26th March 2009 18:05
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They seem to have a pretty distorted view on communism which would need to be addressed before any alliance could be made I think. I'm not entirely convinced by some of the points they put across either from the stuff I've seen. I don't think we can entirely dismiss them though as they are trying to look for some sort of alternative to the current system and have a large following
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Technocrat
21st April 2009 16:41
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The zeitgeist movement is a watered-down version of the same thing Technocracy, Inc came up with more than 70 years ago, except it lacks any kind of scientific background and is based mainly around speculation as far as I can tell. Plus the whole chipping thing is kind of weird. They do have one thing going for them, and that is marketing.
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DeLeonist
20th March 2009 20:24
DeLeonist
Hi There
I just joined your group. I am interested in a green-left perspective and the use of technology to liberate humanity.
I was wondering what you folk thought of the [www.thezeitgeistmovement.com]
They have some nutty and naive tendencies, but they are hugely popular with 250,000 members apparently and more than 30,000 visits a day.
I think there could be considerable merit for the Green-Left tendency to form alliances with the Zeitgeist movement.
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bellyscratch
26th March 2009 18:05
bellyscratch
They seem to have a pretty distorted view on communism which would need to be addressed before any alliance could be made I think. I'm not entirely convinced by some of the points they put across either from the stuff I've seen. I don't think we can entirely dismiss them though as they are trying to look for some sort of alternative to the current system and have a large following
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Technocrat
21st April 2009 16:41
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The zeitgeist movement is a watered-down version of the same thing Technocracy, Inc came up with more than 70 years ago, except it lacks any kind of scientific background and is based mainly around speculation as far as I can tell. Plus the whole chipping thing is kind of weird. They do have one thing going for them, and that is marketing.
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It may be argued that although perfect scientific management would result in good governance, the limitations of human managers will produce imperfect management, which might be less efficient than other systems like democracy. Poor governance might result from abuse of power, managers' limited knowledge of the system, and internal conflict among decision-makers, for example. Of course, these arguments have never been tested with respect to technocracy per se, as no nation-scale technocracy has been implemented.
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Loughner, “Zeitgeist - The Movie,” and Right-Wing Antisemitic Conspiracism
Chip Berlet
Fri Jan 14, 2011 at 09:29:46 AM EST
A friend of Jared Lee Loughner says that the alleged shooter in the Tucson terror attack was impressed by “Zeitgeist - The Movie,” one of the most popular conspiracy videos posted on the Internet. Since about a third of the video concerns conspiracy theories about the 9/11 terror attacks, right-wing pundits have been quick to label “Zeitgeist - The Movie” left-wing propaganda.
This is a leap too far. It is true that some on the Political Left have embraced the “9/11 Truth Movement,” but so have some on the Political Right, and a lot of folks with confused political ideas.
At its core, however, “Zeitgeist - The Movie,” is driven by a replication of longstanding right-wing antisemitic conspiracy theories about the so-called “International Bankers,” a phrase long associated by bigots with the Rothschild, Warburg, and Schiff banking families. Cue the Jew Banker rant.
In many ways the 9/11 conspiracy theories in “Zeitgeist - The Movie,” are bait used to attract viewers from the 9/11 Truth Movement and others who embrace conspiracist thinking to the idiosyncratic anti-religion views of the videographer and the world of right-wing antisemitic theories of a global banking conspiracy.
In a long review of Zeitgeist - The Movie, Jay Kinney on the Tech/Culture site boingboing in August 2007 notes that the video's worldview is that:
Religions in general, and Christianity in particular, are primarily systems of social control. 9/11 was an inside job and the destruction of the WTC twin towers and building 7 were aided by controlled demolition. And finally, International Bankers, through the Federal Reserve and the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), control our money and our future, leading to, ta da, the coming One World Government and the microchipping of everyone.
The nefarious International Bankers meme has been propagating itself since at least the mid-1800s and has long been a mainstay of radical right-wing circles where it has often overlapped with mutterings about Jewish cabals….The over-all temper of the video is rather like the John Birch Society on acid, with interludes by Harry Smith.
Brian Dunning in his negative review on Skeptoid in March 2010 observed “asserts the existence of what Joseph believes is a worldwide conspiracy of international bankers, who are directly responsible for causing all wars in the past century as a way to earn profits.”
In the orbit of the John Birch Society, the phrase international bankers is avoided and replaced with the phrase “The Insiders.” The Birchers trace the conspiracy back to the Illuminati/Freemason conspiracy theory first popularized in the late 1700s.
In the late 1800s, several populist authors pursued the idea that British speculators manipulated the price of gold, which affected paper currency at the time. A common image was that of an octopus. Who was the head with tentacles reaching out across America depended on the author. This easily slid into antisemitic interpretations with the Rothschild family at the head.
The most infamous source of false allegations of a Jewish banking cabal is the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.
The public circulation of the Protocols grew out of propaganda intrigues of the secret police of Czarist Russia in the late nineteenth century. The main Russian print source for the Protocols first appeared as an appendix in The Big in the Small, and Antichrist as a Near Political Possibility; Notes of an Orthodox Person by Sergei A. Nilus, published in 1905 but republished to wider audiences in 1911, 1917, and 1918.
The text purports to be secret minutes of meetings of a Jewish ruling clique conspiring to take over the world (a claim that should be unnecessary to point out is a bigoted falsehood.). The Protocols incorporate many of the core conspiracist themes outlined in the earlier attacks on the Illuminati/Freemasons and overlay them with antisemitic allegations about anti-Czarist movements in Russia. The Protocols reflect the same themes as other, more general critiques of enlightenment liberalism by those supporting church/state oligarchies and other anti-democratic and theocratic forms of government.
Three publications that followed are of particular interest because they trace a transitional arc that starts with the theme of money manipulation, jumps to war as a form of manipulated internationalist politics, and then jumps back to money manipulation.
The Reign of the Elders (Gold, Gold, Gold), is a short book by an anonymous author that starts with the Protocols, moves through the Rothschilds, and ends up with Roosevelt’s “Jew Deal.” It was published before WWII.
The pseudonym “Cincinnatus” took the same basic arguments and wove them around the theme of Jews plotting War, War, War, to help an England controlled by Jews.
E.C. Knuth’s, Empire of “The City”: A Basic History of International Power Politics was the post-war publication that took the same theme and returned it to focus on financial manipulation by Jews.
The result was the popularization of the idea that the Rothschild family and other Jews controls the British monarchy, City of London financial institutions, and through them, the U.S. government and economy. The Lyndon LaRouche network later adopts this claim, while removing the more obvious antisemitic references after being criticized for antisemitism. Some on the Political Left have picked up these claims and mindlessly repeat them. T
he bulk of published material pushing this antisemitic line, however, comes from the Political Right.
Who is really behind the vast timeless conspiracy? Is it the Freemasons, the Communists, or the Jews? The Rothschilds or the Rockefellers? Is the real control group the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, or the Bilderberg banking conference? The scapegoated group varies by the sector on the U.S. Right doing the construction of the frames and narratives. These distinctions on the Right really matter, both politically and analytically, writes professor Martin Durham.
Phyllis Schlafly blamed the conspiracy on the “Secret Kingmakers;” which to Schlafly meant the Rockefellers AND the Bilderbergers, but NOT the Jews (Schlafly, 1964).
Author Revilo P. Oliver, a leader of the John Birch Society, was purged by the Birchers after giving a speech where he challenged the organization to come right out and admit it was the Jews behind the conspiracy. Another migration moved L. Fletcher Prouty (Col., U.S. Air Force [ret.]) author of The CIA and Its Allies in Control of the United States and the World, from the standard Birch Society analysis of liberal treachery to a place where Prouty had his book republished by a Holocaust denial outfit at the time controlled by Willis Carto.
If you compare the allegations against the Jews in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion they are remarkably similar to the allegations hurled by contemporary right-wing demagogues at liberals, leftists, and President Barack Obama and the Democrats.
It is in this right-wing milieu of conspiracy theories and venomous vilification that Loughner picked his target.