Continuing from thread: [forum.culteducation.com
Final exams are over and it's now time to share what I have found and start tearing this doctrine down piece by piece and help people come out of this phenomenon if they have been having strong doubts. It's not much, but it's a start.
Note: I fluctuate between Samael Aun Weor (or just "Aun Weor") and Victor Manuel Gomez Rodriguez (or just "Rodriguez") a lot, but I'm referring to the same person.
Other note: Debunking this body of teachings has gotten me interested in debunking other works as well, such as VM Rabolu's. I think I'll leave Mark Prtichard's group alone, as I see that enough is being done on the end of the people at the Movements of Gnostics Blog. From what I've read, all I can say is: "Geez."
[Start of current research]
Point # 1 from Samael Aun Weor - A new ice age (instead of global warming) is coming!
From his lecture about Alcyone (aka the distant radioactive star in the Pleaides that will cause eternal night/day depending on the circumstances and will annihilate people who aren't "spiritually advanced enough")
There are a few translations of this lecture, one version is called "Alcyone and Negative Emotions" by one group.
“The poles are melting, and with the radiation of Alcyone, this melt down will be precipitated. The ice will invade the whole north and south; only the equatorial zone will be tolerable.”
“A new glaciation is coming!”
What my research has found # 1
My father has recently stated that when he was a child in the 1960s and a teen in the 70s, people were worried about a new ice age and that the world would get colder (as opposed to warmer). That prompted me to do a good old-fashioned Google search, finding this in the process:
Dated Monday, June 24 1974, this was around the time Samael Aun Weor had his big empire going in Latin America. Many modern Gnostics would argue today that the global warming caused by the "attraction of fire from our core by Hercolubus" (the planet six times bigger than Jupiter that will destroy us, according to Samael) would come first then the new Ice Age.
Quote from "The Great Rebellion":
"By the year Two Thousand some regions of the planet Earth will be hotter, not because of the use of electric energy but because of its overuse. This will contribute to the process of Revolution of the Earth's Axes. Soon the Poles will become the Earth's equator and the equator will become the poles.
The Poles have already begun to thaw out and a new Great Flood is coming, preceded by fire.
Forthcoming decades will see an increase in "Carbon Dioxide" which will form a thick layer around the Earth's atmosphere.
Regrettably, such a filter or layer, will absorb thermal radiation and will act as a fatal greenhouse.
The Earth's climate will become hotter in many places and the heat will make the ice in the Poles melt, thus causing a shocking rise in the level of the oceans."
Which is it? I thought there was a fatal ice age coming? The Great Rebellion was published in 1975 but the Alcyone Lecture is dated 1977, according to my research! What caused him to change his opinion so quickly? I thought he was an all-knowing master…
Point # 2 from Samael Aun Weor - Alcyone will irradiate us! (Even though it's 440 light years away!)
Also from his lecture about Alcyone
“It was in the year 1974 when three astronauts (who were gravitating around the earth) reported a type of radiation or a type of unknown energy, unsuspected by official science.”
“Many will not resist the radiation and will die!” (So that Hercolubus will wipe out the rest of them, since he would have written himself into a corner)
What my research has found # 2
Articles I have found from the era are these, talking about astronauts seeing flashes of light in space:
Quote from the second article:
"Following the lunar missions, measurements were performed on the Skylab (1974), and during the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project (ASTP) in 1975.
The Apollo results are mostly summarized into three points: (i) almost everybody perceived LF (with a single exception: the Command Module pilot of Apollo 16); (ii) the rate was quite high (an average of about 14 in 1 h); and (iii) there was an impressive difference between the rate of LF perception during translunar coast (TLC) and during transearth coast (TEC), the former being about more than 60% higher than the latter. Astronauts also reported that the LF during TEC were much less brilliant.
The ALFMED detector provided the first identification of ion-candidates as the cause of LF perception. Analysis of the data showed two candidates heavier than oxygen (Osborne et al 1975). A later analysis (Fazio et al 1970) proposed Cherenkov radiation […]"
This is interesting, because the rest of the article pretty much talks about how astronauts have seen flashes of light which have been mostly proposed as nothing but cosmic rays/ passing through the eyes and creating these flashes.
Cherenkov radiation was first described in 1958 (according to the Wikipedia article) and does exist, but it is not the bugaboo that Victor Manuel Gomez Rodriguez proposes it to be. A Google search on your end saves me time typing about Cherenkov radiation. If this is indeed the radiation that Aun Weor is referring to, then it can be recreated in a lab and is not dangerous in the sense that Aun Weor implies. I don't see eternal night or day because of these experiments, do you?
More quotes from the Alcyone lecture:
"We have been told that the Sun that shines upon us is the seventh sun that rotates around this star Alcyone. Naturally, this would not be admitted by the wise men of official science, but we, the esoterists, do not ignore the reality concerning the significance of that great sun.
A great organization of worlds exist around Alcyone. There are seven suns and each one of them shines and gives life to its own planets and its satellites (which rotate in their respective orbits around each one of these suns). We cannot deny that our Sun has its own group of worlds or planets that it shines upon and gives life to.
When one comprehends the form in which these system of suns are organized and how they rotate around their gravitational centers, one then advances greatly in the field of knowledge.
The Pleiades have been cited by the sacred scriptures, by the Bible, and by many esoteric teachings. Alcyone is precisely the principal sun of the Pleiades, and around it seven suns gravitate (our sun being the seventh one which rotates around Alcyone)."
According to my research, the Pleiades traditionally had seven stars that were visible (though mainly six are visible), but there are many more, according to the source quoted below. And that depending on the conditions, there can be more than six visible, which is the source for all this confusion, giving Aun Weor the chance to manipulate the totally unsuspecting.
"We have been told that the Sun that shines upon us is the seventh sun that rotates around this star Alcyone."
Who told you, exactly? The divine? The white lodge? Unlike me, he never cited sources. He might have passed away in 1977, but his doctrine should be held accountable and scrutinized.
It's absolutely ridiculous to think that a constellation visible from Earth would include our own Sun.
Point # 3 from Samael Aun Weor - The changing seasons are the signs of the end times because the Count of St. Germain said so (P.S. - Contradiction)
Quote (Again from the Alcyone lecture!):
“The Count of Saint Germain said, ‘The seasons of spring and summer will be the first to be altered.’”
This comes from the book "The Comte de St. Germain" by Isabel Cooper-Oakley (in the public domain and available here [www.sacred-texts.com
]). And, man, not only does he make his case from this book that we're all doomed, but wait until the end of this point… I have something very interesting to share…
Here's the original quote from "The Comte of St. Germain" [www.sacred-texts.com
"St. Germain then gradually passed Into a solemn mood. For a few seconds he became rigid as a statue, his eyes, which were always expressive beyond words, became dull and colourless. Presently, however, his whole being became reanimated. He made a movement with his hand as if in signal of his departure, then said: 'I am leaving (ich scheide); do not visit me. Once again will you see me. To-morrow night I am off; I am much needed in Constantinople; then in England, there to prepare two inventions which you will have in the next century--trains and steamboats. These will be needed in Germany. The seasons will gradually change--first the spring, then the summer. It is the gradual cessation of time itself, as the announcement of the end of the cycle. I see it all; astrologers and meteorologists know nothing, believe me; one needs to have studied in the Pyramids as I have studied. Towards the end of this century I shall disappear out of Europe, and betake myself to the region of the Himalayas. I will rest; I must rest. Exactly in eighty-five years will people again set eyes on me."
This account of Saint Germain by the German writer Franz Gräffer was written 50 years after the so-called encounter, which is mentioned shortly after the quoted text. This set up the pretense for Rodriguez (Aun Weor) to talk about how around World War II (around 150 years after this "encounter"), this one guy happened to meet the Count of Saint Germain who was on a boat to eventually go to Tibet! This was from a transcript from a radio interview, I believe. One of the groups I was in had a translation that was different from another, and another, and so forth. The only one with consistency is the original Spanish version, but that's beyond the point…
By the way, modern trains were invented in the 1700s in America, according to this source [www.nps.gov
], but the statement by Gräffer was written, as shown above, was some time after the encounter, destroying any credibility he might have had.
The real kicker…
I was working on a translation project for one of the groups, since I know Spanish fairly well and since we also analyzed translations of book from other groups for accuracy. We saw that one book was mistranslated and I started work on one book called "Ejercicios de Lamaseria" (Exercises of the Lamasery) in the original Spanish:
Original quote in Spanish:
"Es pues absurdo afirmar que los Grandes Maestros del Tibet sean vegetarianos. Cuando el gran iniciado San Germán, Príncipe Rakoczy, el Gran Maestro de la Logia Blanca que dirige el rayo de la política mundial, trabajó durante la época de Luis XV, para hablar más claro, no se manifestó como vegetariano, lo vieron en los festines comiendo de todo; algunos hasta comentan cómo saboreaba la carne de pollo, por ejemplo. ¿De dónde ha salido, pues, esta cosa del vegetarianismo?"
"It is then absurd to affirm that the great master of Tibet are vegetarian. When the great initiate Saint Germain, Prince Rakoczy, the great master of the white lodge who leads the ray of world politics, worked during the epoch of Louis XV, to speak more clearly, did not manifest himself as a vegetarian, he was seen at the festivals eating everything; some even commenting on how he savored chicken meat, for example. From where, then, did this thing called vegetarianism come?"
Now, the final blow to this argument, from the very same book "The Comte de St. Germain" by Isabel Cooper-Oakley [www.sacred-texts.com
"The same writer, who later became one of his devoted students, testifies to the fact that M. de St. Germain ate no meat, drank no wine, and lived according to a strict régime. Louis XV. gave him a suite of rooms in the royal Château de Chambord, and he constantly spent whole evenings at Versailles with the King and the royal family."
Talk about contradiction! How embarrassing it would have been for Aun Weor if the Internet had existed back in the 70s… I know that some modern gnostics would reply, "But the author was mistaken in the second quote! Samael knew everything better than those people!"
I would reply: "But if you're going to quote from the same source, make sure you don't contradict yourself!"
Point # 4 from Samael Aun Weor - Mummies and the Curse of the Pharaohs
At 6:42 in this video, (Doctor!) Samael Aun Weor says: "As an example we have the case of the mummy of Tutankhamen, the twenty-two archaeologists who dared to profane such a sepulcher died. Let the modern populace know that ancient people were wiser."
What my research has found #4:
In the book "King Tut's Curse!" by Jacqueline Morley and David Antram, it is stated that one of the first to enter the tomb, Lord Carnavon's daughter (Lord Carnavron was someone who died in 1923 four months after entering the tomb due to an infection, starting this whole mummies curse mess) lived until 1980. Samael Aun Weor said that all 22 archaeologists who opened the tome died but the archaeologist who discovered and opened the tomb (Howard Carter) lived until 1939, dying from lymphoma.
As many of us former serious Samael Aun Weor students know, in a lot of his works, Samael Aun Weor said that cancer is a result of fornication (or "spilling the seed" too much, according to him, which is language loading).
If Victor Manuel Gomez Rodriguez (aka. - Samael) was an enlightened master, how can he explain the information of "King Tut's Curse!"
The possible reply of modern gnosticism: "The forces of the black lodge are at work! It's false information!"
[End of current research]
Some personal notes:
It's sad that "The forces of the black lodge are trying to spread misinformation." is their fallback for when things start to fall apart.
I left these teachings after nearly a decade of trying really hard to apply them in my life, with no discernible progress. I was (and still am) single, just like many of the men who were in the groups. Women were always somewhat rare, and I was never "worthy enough" to get "divine help" to find an "alchemy" partner.
I'm glad that I didn't stick around long enough to remain celibate the rest of my life.
While we're on the subject of suppression of the sexual expression, let's examine the language loading of “Fornication”:
“The original sin of our first parents was the crime of spilling the semen. That is fornication.” - The Perfect Matrimony
“Not only does one fornicate physically, but fornication also exists in the mental and astral worlds. Those who engage in lusty conversations, those who read pornographic magazines, those who attend movie houses where passionate erotic films are shown waste enormous reserves of sexual energy.” - The Perfect Matrimony
“We are sons of the devil, because we are fruits of fornication.” - Revolution of the Dialectic, The Three Mountains
The definition of fornication according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary online is "Consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other," but of course, according to modern gnostics, the black lodge got to the people writing that definition.
And as I've stated in the thread I'm continuing from at the very top of this post, I'm still young enough to start a career path. I feel more refreshed than ever having resumed my university studies.
That's all for now. I'll add more to this thread as I find out more.
Burning with more determination from this new lease on life,
The Lone Flame of Eternity