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Date: March 25, 2005 09:41AM

I was looking over the list of cults and noticed that TFP is listed.

I was wondering why this is. They are a Traditionalist Catholic movement which stands for basic moral principles of the Bible.


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Posted by: Cosmophilospher ()
Date: March 26, 2005 09:28AM

First, off, gives us the links to the info about this group.
I don't see a listing for them.

Also, just because something is listed doesn't make it a "cult". Read the disclaimers.

It could have lots of complaints against it, or some greedy leader, or various other negative aspects to it.

Just because its "catholic" doesn't mean its healthy.
I used to be catholic, and there are all sorts of catholic fringe cultic groups, which take over peoples lives.
I have 2 family members in a Virgin Mary type of cult.

No group is above being criticized, and analyzed, no matter what religion they espouse.
The very fact that members of a group are offended because someone asks questions about them, raises suspicions to me.


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Posted by: SarahL ()
Date: March 26, 2005 11:28AM

I don't see much mention of TFP either on this site.

Off site, I found this: [u:dda1e20efa]TFP A Dangerous Cult[/u:dda1e20efa], by John T. Armour.


And a site for the group itself [u:dda1e20efa]The American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property (TFP) [/u:dda1e20efa]


With a bit more poking round I find a link from Rick Ross's site leads to this article with more indepth analysis of TFP:


Ed, do you have experiences with TFP that you could share? I am not familiar with the group and would like to learn more.


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Date: March 26, 2005 12:03PM

Sorry....I don't know a lot about them other than some of the literature which I have seen. From the literature I saw, it looked like they were pretty much Traditionalist Catholics who are trying to take a stand for the moral values of the Christian Faith.

Once in a while we get some of their members at our parish. Never saw anything particularly worrisome about them, but as you say...can't just a book by it's cover either.

Sorry I can't be more helpful than that.


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Posted by: SarahL ()
Date: March 26, 2005 12:11PM

The following is taken from an article in the Antifa Info-Bulletin, posted on a Google Group:


TFP, well financed by Latin American landowners opposing
reforms, has been actively involved for nearly 40 years in every
right-wing cause around the world, from the Brazilian coup in
1964 to the Chileno one in 1973. Its militants worked in close
touch with the South African government during apartheid and you
can find "Tradition, Family and Property" on every web page
listing "conservative" organizations in the USA. It prefers
however to associate with powerful corporations, evangelical
leaders and so on, not with skinheads or "useless" extremists.

The explicit aims of TFP are expressed by the founder in his
book "Revolution and Counter-revolution". The following is not a
caricature of what he says, but an objective summary:

God wants social inequality and private property. Satan
inspires people to rebel against both. This is the basic
conflict, so TFP does not care much about doctrinal orthodoxy,
spirituality or such things. No holds are barred when fighting
the "Satanic Revolution": any alliance and any kind of regime
goes. We are approaching an apocalyptic moment any day now (the
"bagarre"). TFP is preparing the "new crusaders". While waiting
for the "bagarre", they must work to fight against the
"Revolution" in politics, the economy and culture. When the
moment comes, the Virgin will defeat the "Revolution". This will
lead to a "new Middle Ages", far "better", i.e. more repressive,
than the real Middle Ages. In the "order born of the
Counter-Revolution", "a spirit of hierarchy will mark every
aspect of society and of the State, of culture and life". There
will be "constant care to discover and fight evil in its embryo
and hidden forms, striking it with execration and infamy, and
punishing it with inflexible determination in every
manifestation, especially regarding orthodoxy and purity of

There exists very little critical information on TFP:
actually the most reliable sources are Catholic traditionalists,
ideologically close to the organization but shocked by its cult-
like behavior, its unusual doctrines, its combination of
fanaticism with flexible alliances with Protestant, Masonic, cult
organizations against the "Revolution". The organization, and its
countless front groups, is active around the world, and is
possibly the single most dangerous right-wing movement in the
world, as it is not tied to one ethnic context and is able to
move into positions of power without difficulty. They are rarely
seen on the streets (though when they are, their zombie-like
expressions, Jehovah's Witness suits, banners with eagles and
lions, are quite a show) so they are not so well known.

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Posted by: Cosmophilospher ()
Date: March 26, 2005 01:13PM

TFP certainly sounds cultish to me.
Maybe Rick will create a page for them, and start collecting articles about them.


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Posted by: Hope ()
Date: March 28, 2005 01:23AM

I met a young man who had been involved with TFP for most of his childhood and teen years. Not only did they do a major mindf*ck on him, but on his parents as well. I MIGHT be able to track him down and see if he would be willing to post his experience. At the same time, there was another couple who had been involved with Opus Dei, and they were also recovering from major mind control techniques. It was not just your run-of-the-mill Catholic guilt.

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Posted by: walkingaway ()
Date: March 28, 2005 05:39AM

We have family members involved in Opus Dei. They think the Catholic Church is the only true Church, all Protestants are going to hell, and even destroy protestant bibles and religious artifacts as the work of Satan.

They are NOT simply faithful Catholics.

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Posted by: Su ()
Date: March 31, 2005 08:41AM

[b:d747e0284f]Could this help in any way?


This is my first post here, I've not read a lot of the posts yet or lists but I remember reading about definitions of cults! I suppose there are no set answers. But I know that I "feared" and hated the group that I was involved with... So I would call them a cult group... They were known simply as "Born Again Christians"![/b:d747e0284f]

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Posted by: rrmoderator ()
Date: March 31, 2005 07:03PM

The link you have posted offers a religious definition, which is largely used by evangelical Christian anti-cult ministries.

See []

And also []

Destructive cults are most often defined by their behavior not their beliefs.

This is a more objective definition.

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