In this URL some information and links are given to underlie that Permaculture is not the same thing as Bidoynamics and that if anyone wishes to read about Permaculture in and of itself they must take care to run computer searches in such a way as to exclude
biodynamic, steiner and anthroposophy.
It has grown so very commonplace for permaculture to be discussed alongside biodynamics that a person brand new to gardening could easily make an assuption that the two are the same, when the matter is biodynamics originated from Rudolf Steiners peculiar gnostic religious belief system, from a series of lectures he gave in Germany/Austria in the early 20th century, while permaculture orginated with two Australian agriculturalists in the 1970s, both of whom used science, an approach Steiner would have considered materialist, Ahirimanic from the Anthroposophical stand point 'unscientific'.
11 December 2008 3:16PM
I have to agree with darkgirls, after spending two years on Bio-Dynamic agriculture training I got to see the dark side of the Steiner movement and how obsessed they are with training children to see the steiner point of view
at all costs. I have seen many examples of how the community behaves having stayed and worked at some of the top Steiner schools in the UK including the Village at Botton. I would not send any child to a Steiner school.
- thanks for your comment; the "dark side of steiner schools2 is so appropriate; and there is a great deal of effort to hide it.
Bio dynamic farming and camphill also hide their anthroposophical side too. Camphill are renound among NGO's and charities as being one of the most efficient fundraisers around- their drives at christmas to raise money are phenomenal. Do they EVER mention anthroposophy intheir leaflets with people with lkearning difficulties feeding lambs and making Steiner dolls? NO. Do they even mention anything spiritual, or about reincarnation- of course not.
The link I gave at the beginning- to chase.co.uk, has a breakdown of anthroposophical charities and how wealthy they are. It's very surprising, when the schools make parents spend an inordinate ammount of time fundraising.
This is a good article about biodynamic wine growers- who are big business now. Note the paragraphs which in essence say there's no need to explain the full background- it would put people off.
The state is already funding Hereford sSeiner school- it got state funding this last sept as an academy. There's an article here in the guardian about it
The government report comissioned into looking at steiner education- called the Woods Report, seems to be overly biased towards anthroposophy and spiritual areas of education. It appears to have been written by a husband and wife team ( and one other) who agree with anthroposophical ideas, tho I may of course be wrong. Bearing this in mind, it is very easy to avoid much of what has been talked about here- and perpetuate the promotion of a creative child lead "freer" education, when so many here have said it is the opposite.
Anthroposophists are at great pains to say it isn't a religion- it is a science- a "spirit
ual science" because they believe spirit worlds, angels, nature spirits, astral and cosmic forces are REAL- therefore- SCIENTIFIC........ "
To repeat, one reason to be up front about Biodynamics is that it originates from one mans highly ideosyncratic and gnostic cosmology, one which many disagree with and which cannot be disproved using the null hypothesis, meaning whatever Steiner said, his stuff is unscientific. Real, mainsream, materialistic, Ahirmanic science uses the null hypothesis.
Two, biodynamic methos of gardening some preparations (such as the cow horn manure preparations BD 500 and BD501). Thus, persons who live a non harm or vegan life pattern could have grave moral objections and not want to participate if they were told, up front and in full what biodynamics entails.
Again, if one wants to read about permaculture via Google searches and get a clear and un muddled understanding of its principles, run the search to exclude biodynamics, steiner and anthroposophy.
Mollison never claimed to have a scheme of cosmological salvation or to be an infalliable authority. Thus unlike Steiner, he is a teacher, and not in anyway a guru or magus.