Another little tactic that can been seen at play here, when someone is trying to play a little mind-game, instead of getting defensive, they will try the tactic of shaming a critic, by trying to make them feel guilty for cussing them out.
Many of the New Wage and Nondual Gurus and their salespeople do that.
They target an audience of people who are "too nice", and the Guru salesmen put on a fake "nice act", all the while running indirect manipulation patterns.
If a person calls them out on their bullshit, they will raise their hands in false holy indignation and say...Oh my goodness...I am here in pure heart trying to save the world and you use some harsh language to my virgin ears...
The tactic is to try and prey on the "too nice" instincts of the target audience, to deflect criticism, and it works.
In fact, a customer getting angry and telling them off, and walking out of the seminar could save that customer many years of grief, it could save their life.
That is why they try to SHAME righteous assertiveness, and part of assertiveness is telling indirect sleazy salespeople to fuck off to their face when they are being manipulative and pushy. Those LGAT salespeople will simply walk away from people who are assertive, and target more vulnerable people.
For example, if Dr. Logic were a salesman promoting a Guru, by this time in real life he would be hearing...HOW MUCH? WHAT IS THE EXACT PRICE? Cut the BS, cut the stories, lets see the price and the contract. If he came out with one more random story, he gets thrown out of your office.
Dr. Logic deserves to get cussed out for trying to play an indirect mind game.
To overcome complex cultic techniques can take direct and harsh honest language, one can't beat around the bush.
The bottom line is this.
Names SPECIFIC Gurus and their systems.
And its such a load of bullshit about the disclosure, the people who are being DEMANDED to release disclosure are those who advertise and make claims in their advertising to earn their living.
Their lies in their advertising, many of which have been proven in these threads, could have the FTC come down on them. Some of their claims are not only immoral and unethical, they are ILLEGAL.
Byron Katie Int changed some of their website claims after they were exposed in these threads.
And hidden Amazon links are relevant, [forum.culteducation.com
] as the person who was trying to dupe people with hidden amazon links was promoting himself as being Mr Ethical, which he is NOT. Its a sham. They try to say they are ethical as a sales tactic to gain rapport. Its a scam.
So those who are SELLING this crap for MILLIONS and advertising outrageous claims to make money, must disclose the information. Those who are lying in their advertising could get themselves in trouble, from something called the FTC and misleading advertising.
When you advertise and you lie and make false claims, then they are asking for trouble.
So Mr Logic, cut the BS, cut the circular illogic, cut the lame attempts at indirect mind-games, and name specific Gurus.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/04/2010 08:21AM by The Anticult.