Dave Lakhani Kevin Hogan's Influence Las Vegas Boot Camp March 10-13
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: January 19, 2010 07:09AM
Dave Lakhani advertises himself as an Applied Propagandist, and at least that part of it is accurate, as there is ample evidence seen in these threads.
Its essential to remember, there is a huge difference between what a professional persuader SAYS they are "teaching" and what they are REALLY doing to people without their conscious awareness. Without exception, for someone in Dave Lakhani's business, what they SAY they are "teaching" is the misdirection, its merely the "content".
One must always carefully look at the meta-processes.
When the magician tells you to look at his right hand, that is the time to look at the left hand. That is not conjecture, that is a fact of this kind of persuasion.
Inattentional Blindness [forum.culteducation.com]
Persuasion Engineering and "dimwits" [forum.culteducation.com] ""What is Richard (Bandler) really attempting to do as he distracts us with something that we THINK it is really all about?" ...all the while the dimwits are thinking the distractions are the heart of it..."
ANONYMITY:
The stuff being thrown around about anonymity, is another distraction.
In this case, there is no real difference, because the "claims" being made by Dave Lakhani have not been verified, and many of them have been easily falsified.
When someone is doing that much smoke-blowing and tap-dancing, then every single claim they make has to be verified by independent sources.
For example, there is no evidence that Dave Lakhani has done the NLP training he claims to have done. (never mind the others claims being made as well). Its up to him to prove the claims he is making, by posting the details of who specifically allegedly certified him in NLP, and the alleged connections with Richard Bandler. Notice how that pointed question was carefully and totally avoided, by creating more smoke and distraction.
There are many people who claim to be NLP Master Practitioners, and some of them are not. If someone makes a claim in their advertising, they must provide proof for their claims.
TORRENTS:
As far as the torrents, that again is more deliberate distraction, to distract from the real issues. He says someone suggested that someone put his material up on a torrent site? And then some torrents appeared? That is totally false. Its propaganda. Who said that? Where is the post? No one ever said that.
Regarding when the torrents went up, anyone can see they appear to have been up for years... by searching for:
torrent "Dave Lakhani"
If someone has a problem with a torrent, that needs to be addressed with the torrent sites.
It another attempt at deliberate propaganda, to try to misdirect from the real questions being raised. Again, hopefully most people will be able to easily see the facts on that one.
Dave Lakhani is certainly not less harmful than his colleagues. If anything, he is even less recommended, and should be avoided even more, as he is somewhat more skilled in certain areas, but less aware in other areas, like the dangerous CAN Scientology blunder.
He makes another "mistake" saying Lipton, and not Lifton. He's most likely never even heard of Lifton. If you search Google for this, no articles or comments come up about Lifton by Lakhani.
"Dave Lakhani" Lifton
The comment he made to Buffman, about calling him up on the phone, and recording the call and not "hypnotizing" him, and not "controlling his mind"... Truly, that is more really really vile and lame material from Lakhani. He knows that is not how it works, and he used the exact technique that was pointed out here.
- if you asked a hypno-persuasion expert if he uses hypnosis... [forum.culteducation.com]
The outrageous levels of manipulation at the Kevin Hogan www.kevinhogan.com
website advertising for their own LGAT type seminar, is extremely bad.
Trying to make people be "bound to secrecy" due to alleged "trade secrets"? One assumes they are going to force seminar customers to sign contracts? Where are those contracts so they can be looked at carefully?
Dave Lakhani at Kevin Hogan's Influence Las Vegas Boot Camp, March 10-13 2010 [forum.culteducation.com]
And trying to make people believe the material can't be put into books and DVD's.
Its just a big scamola. All they are trying to do is use every technique in the book, to try and get people to attend the expensive live LGAT style seminars, so they can upsell them to more products in person, and get them to sign coaching contracts, and use the most powerful techniques of group persuasion and covert hypnosis on them.
That kind of seminar is the WORST place to study persuasion techniques, as they are bombarding you with misinformation, misdirection and disinformation, to upsell you to all of their other products.
When that is done deceptively to an audience who has no idea of what is being done to them, that is literally a form of mind-rape.
This stuff about "ethics" and "intent" is really meaningless.
To use an extreme example, terrorists who kill civillians, literally believe they are perfectly "ethical" in what they are doing, and that their "intent" is literally God's will, and that they go straight to Heaven for murdering people.
So this stuff about "good intent" is frankly more persuasion itself.
They are trying to convince you they have your best interests in their "intent", to try and make you "trust" them, in order to increase their own sales.
Any professional salesperson who is screaming..."TRUST ME", is to be completely avoided.
Its essential to remember, there is a huge difference between what a professional persuader SAYS they are "teaching" and what they are REALLY doing to people without their conscious awareness. Without exception, for someone in Dave Lakhani's business, what they SAY they are "teaching" is the misdirection, its merely the "content".
One must always carefully look at the meta-processes.
When the magician tells you to look at his right hand, that is the time to look at the left hand. That is not conjecture, that is a fact of this kind of persuasion.
Inattentional Blindness [forum.culteducation.com]
Persuasion Engineering and "dimwits" [forum.culteducation.com] ""What is Richard (Bandler) really attempting to do as he distracts us with something that we THINK it is really all about?" ...all the while the dimwits are thinking the distractions are the heart of it..."
ANONYMITY:
The stuff being thrown around about anonymity, is another distraction.
In this case, there is no real difference, because the "claims" being made by Dave Lakhani have not been verified, and many of them have been easily falsified.
When someone is doing that much smoke-blowing and tap-dancing, then every single claim they make has to be verified by independent sources.
For example, there is no evidence that Dave Lakhani has done the NLP training he claims to have done. (never mind the others claims being made as well). Its up to him to prove the claims he is making, by posting the details of who specifically allegedly certified him in NLP, and the alleged connections with Richard Bandler. Notice how that pointed question was carefully and totally avoided, by creating more smoke and distraction.
There are many people who claim to be NLP Master Practitioners, and some of them are not. If someone makes a claim in their advertising, they must provide proof for their claims.
TORRENTS:
As far as the torrents, that again is more deliberate distraction, to distract from the real issues. He says someone suggested that someone put his material up on a torrent site? And then some torrents appeared? That is totally false. Its propaganda. Who said that? Where is the post? No one ever said that.
Regarding when the torrents went up, anyone can see they appear to have been up for years... by searching for:
torrent "Dave Lakhani"
If someone has a problem with a torrent, that needs to be addressed with the torrent sites.
It another attempt at deliberate propaganda, to try to misdirect from the real questions being raised. Again, hopefully most people will be able to easily see the facts on that one.
Dave Lakhani is certainly not less harmful than his colleagues. If anything, he is even less recommended, and should be avoided even more, as he is somewhat more skilled in certain areas, but less aware in other areas, like the dangerous CAN Scientology blunder.
He makes another "mistake" saying Lipton, and not Lifton. He's most likely never even heard of Lifton. If you search Google for this, no articles or comments come up about Lifton by Lakhani.
"Dave Lakhani" Lifton
The comment he made to Buffman, about calling him up on the phone, and recording the call and not "hypnotizing" him, and not "controlling his mind"... Truly, that is more really really vile and lame material from Lakhani. He knows that is not how it works, and he used the exact technique that was pointed out here.
- if you asked a hypno-persuasion expert if he uses hypnosis... [forum.culteducation.com]
The outrageous levels of manipulation at the Kevin Hogan www.kevinhogan.com
website advertising for their own LGAT type seminar, is extremely bad.
Trying to make people be "bound to secrecy" due to alleged "trade secrets"? One assumes they are going to force seminar customers to sign contracts? Where are those contracts so they can be looked at carefully?
Dave Lakhani at Kevin Hogan's Influence Las Vegas Boot Camp, March 10-13 2010 [forum.culteducation.com]
And trying to make people believe the material can't be put into books and DVD's.
Its just a big scamola. All they are trying to do is use every technique in the book, to try and get people to attend the expensive live LGAT style seminars, so they can upsell them to more products in person, and get them to sign coaching contracts, and use the most powerful techniques of group persuasion and covert hypnosis on them.
That kind of seminar is the WORST place to study persuasion techniques, as they are bombarding you with misinformation, misdirection and disinformation, to upsell you to all of their other products.
When that is done deceptively to an audience who has no idea of what is being done to them, that is literally a form of mind-rape.
This stuff about "ethics" and "intent" is really meaningless.
To use an extreme example, terrorists who kill civillians, literally believe they are perfectly "ethical" in what they are doing, and that their "intent" is literally God's will, and that they go straight to Heaven for murdering people.
So this stuff about "good intent" is frankly more persuasion itself.
They are trying to convince you they have your best interests in their "intent", to try and make you "trust" them, in order to increase their own sales.
Any professional salesperson who is screaming..."TRUST ME", is to be completely avoided.
Dave Lakhani, covert hypnosis www.disguisedhypnosis.com/affiliate.html
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: January 19, 2010 07:26AM
The name automatically came up from a search engine from the search string:
"covert hypnosis" "dave lakhani"
That is the kind of "persuasion" website, that panders to the nastiest instincts in some people, and there are even worse ones. There are websites who try to sell to people who literally want to learn to use "mind control" on others in sadistic ways.
Of course, that website is literally full of lies, from top to bottom.
Everything he says about Ericksonian hypnosis is a blatant lie, just meant to try to scam people.
This is the danger in this area of "persuasion". There are countless scammers, and many actual criminals, who try to sell "persuasion" materials. The irony is that most of them actually don't know anything about it, and have just copied others material, slapped it together, and are trying to sell it.
Not only is that area full of outright scammers, its quite full of actual criminals, and also sadists and sociopaths.
Its a real nightmare.
"covert hypnosis" "dave lakhani"
That is the kind of "persuasion" website, that panders to the nastiest instincts in some people, and there are even worse ones. There are websites who try to sell to people who literally want to learn to use "mind control" on others in sadistic ways.
Of course, that website is literally full of lies, from top to bottom.
Everything he says about Ericksonian hypnosis is a blatant lie, just meant to try to scam people.
This is the danger in this area of "persuasion". There are countless scammers, and many actual criminals, who try to sell "persuasion" materials. The irony is that most of them actually don't know anything about it, and have just copied others material, slapped it together, and are trying to sell it.
Not only is that area full of outright scammers, its quite full of actual criminals, and also sadists and sociopaths.
Its a real nightmare.
Quote
helpme2timesThat IS a vile website.Quote
The Anticult
Look at this vile website, which reveals some of the affiliate tricks and scams they use on people, and is promoting the "Disguised Hypnosis affiliate program".
www.disguisedhypnosis.com/affiliate.html
www.disguisedhypnosis.com
How To Unleash the Power of "Disguised Hypnosis"... And Instantly Master the Arts of Covert Persuasion and Hypnotic Mind Control!
"Disguised hypnosis", eh?
That's amazing you were able to find Dave Lakhani's name on the affiliates page. I had to go searching through the fine print to find it.
They actually cite Hitler as a "persuasion expert". (Which he was, but the way it's phrased, it's like he's someone to emulate.)
Ugh.
www.disguisedhypnosis.com/affiliate.html psychopathic mentality
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: January 19, 2010 07:46AM
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/19/2010 07:52AM by The Anticult.
Take a moment to read through some of the phrases and keywords, for some insight into the sick and dangerous mentality of those who actively seek out this material, and who their targets will be.
www.disguisedhypnosis.com/affiliate.html
__________QUOTE excerpt for educational reference and analysis___________________
Targeted Adgroups you can Market Disguised Hypnosis Under:
NLP
Dark NLP
Use NLP To Control Others.
Seduction
How To Seduce Women
Shocking Audio Unravels
Powerful Seduction Techniques!
Mind Control
Simple Mind Control
The Secrets Are Here.
Control People Today!
advanced nlp
anchoring nlp
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Re: Dave Lakhani, cult mind control tactics, covert manipulation
Posted by:
helpme2times
()
Date: January 19, 2010 07:55AM
Wow, that there is some very black-and-white thinking.Quote
ImthatDave
Helpme2times
Either you didn't bother read it or you are trying to mislead people. I have nothing to do with it at all, they are suggesting that you use my name to target Google Ad Groups, I have nothing to do with that site. The moment I see that kind of thing pop up in Google searches it gets reported to google.
Dave Lakhani
Either/or, huh?
So I'M "trying to mislead people"?
What would be in it for me?
(Whereas you, I know there is a great deal of money in it for you.)
I'm glad you used that phase, "trying to mislead people," because I DO think that someone is trying to mislead people. In the pursuit of the almighty dollar.
On that web page I referred to, there's some reference to Google way down past where your name is listed.
That's all I know.
It does seem suspicious to me. And the website DOES deal with information such as you sell for what seems to be a very, very good living.
Perhaps The Anticult or someone else here I trust can explain what's going on with that web page. (You, I haven't yet found adequate reason to trust.)
Ya know, Dave, I'm really just here trying to help out the little guy, who can't afford to be blowing major wads of cash on dubiously helpful products.
Earlier today you said you'd made your "last post".
Yet you continue to post.
You announced that engaging people here was a "waste of time".
Doesn't seem to be a waste of your time now. You seem very invested in continuing to interact here.
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Re: Dave Lakhani, cult mind control tactics, covert manipulation
Posted by:
ImthatDave
()
Date: January 19, 2010 07:57AM
Anticult -
Believe it or not, just because you shout over and over again that something is true doesn't make it so.
Dave Lakhani
Believe it or not, just because you shout over and over again that something is true doesn't make it so.
Dave Lakhani
Re: Dave Lakhani, cult mind control tactics, covert manipulation
Posted by:
helpme2times
()
Date: January 19, 2010 08:03AM
That's funny, I don't find TAC to be "shouting". :-P
Re: Dave Lakhani, cult mind control tactics, covert manipulation
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: January 19, 2010 09:04AM
By the way, obviously, agreeing to do a staged phone call with a professional over-the-phone persuader is a really bad idea.
First off, since the persuader knows its a staged recording, he/she will be on their best behavior, and tone it down, and play-act a different persona.
Also, that staged phone call would then appear as marketing on other websites, as an example of how innocent, pure and Christlike their phone-selling techniques are, to lure in other unsuspecting people.
Professional persuaders who use the phone for direct sales persuasion, are very skilled at that. They do it all day everyday for YEARS, and can run circles around people.
The only way to get real information from a phone call like that, would be if a trained persuasion expert called up one of these phone-persuaders in the months ahead, and play-acted being a naive person with "objections to the sale" and then carefully analyzed the transcript of the phone sales-persuasion techniques being used on them.
That is when you are going to see the real techniques, from matching voice tonality, eliciting wants/needs, rapid trance-induction, pacing-leading, suggestion, double-binds, false-choice, scarcity, exclusivity, and every other phone-sales technique under the sun. There are many dozens of them.
First off, since the persuader knows its a staged recording, he/she will be on their best behavior, and tone it down, and play-act a different persona.
Also, that staged phone call would then appear as marketing on other websites, as an example of how innocent, pure and Christlike their phone-selling techniques are, to lure in other unsuspecting people.
Professional persuaders who use the phone for direct sales persuasion, are very skilled at that. They do it all day everyday for YEARS, and can run circles around people.
The only way to get real information from a phone call like that, would be if a trained persuasion expert called up one of these phone-persuaders in the months ahead, and play-acted being a naive person with "objections to the sale" and then carefully analyzed the transcript of the phone sales-persuasion techniques being used on them.
That is when you are going to see the real techniques, from matching voice tonality, eliciting wants/needs, rapid trance-induction, pacing-leading, suggestion, double-binds, false-choice, scarcity, exclusivity, and every other phone-sales technique under the sun. There are many dozens of them.
Re: Dave Lakhani, cult mind control tactics, covert manipulation
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: January 19, 2010 09:14AM
One has to wonder why Dave Lakhani refuses over and over to verify his advertising claims about being an NLP Master Practitioner?
Who did the certification and where and when?
Does Richard Bandler know the name "Richard Bandler" is being used in advertising claims?
Any so-called NLP person who REFUSES to verify their claims about their alleged advertised NLP training, should be avoided like the plague, at all costs.
Just because someone posts advertising claims on their many websites, over and over, doesn't make it true.
If they refuse to verify them, that makes them false.
Who did the certification and where and when?
Does Richard Bandler know the name "Richard Bandler" is being used in advertising claims?
Any so-called NLP person who REFUSES to verify their claims about their alleged advertised NLP training, should be avoided like the plague, at all costs.
Just because someone posts advertising claims on their many websites, over and over, doesn't make it true.
If they refuse to verify them, that makes them false.
Re: Dave Lakhani, cult mind control tactics, covert manipulation
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: January 19, 2010 10:29AM
disguisedhypnosis.com/affiliate.html
That is a website by a scammer, about how to be an "affiliate" and to market and sell the "Disguised Hypnosis" product for commission. They are trying to punk both the customers and Google adwords, and to get you to pay to sell their product for them. Very clever.
On top of this, those who are going to try to sell Disguised Hypnosis, know nothing about it.
The keywords/names in those lists were added by whoever owns that site, which is probably not the name listed as the sites owner.
They added the names of those who sell products related to Covert Hypnosis, Persuasion, NLP, Seduction, Mind Control, and related subjects.
Who is an affiliate for Disguised Hypnosis? That is probably unknowable. But there are hundreds of links, if one searches Google for:
"Disguised Hypnosis"
That is a website by a scammer, about how to be an "affiliate" and to market and sell the "Disguised Hypnosis" product for commission. They are trying to punk both the customers and Google adwords, and to get you to pay to sell their product for them. Very clever.
On top of this, those who are going to try to sell Disguised Hypnosis, know nothing about it.
The keywords/names in those lists were added by whoever owns that site, which is probably not the name listed as the sites owner.
They added the names of those who sell products related to Covert Hypnosis, Persuasion, NLP, Seduction, Mind Control, and related subjects.
Who is an affiliate for Disguised Hypnosis? That is probably unknowable. But there are hundreds of links, if one searches Google for:
"Disguised Hypnosis"
Quote
helpme2times
Perhaps The Anticult or someone else here I trust can explain what's going on with that web page.
Re: Dave Lakhani, cult mind control tactics, covert manipulation
Posted by:
Christa
()
Date: January 19, 2010 02:35PM
ImthatDave
"If you find me to be as dangerous as you'd like to portray me then fine, ignore me, continue to rally around those who believe like you do, resist other ideas and possibilities, shut out those who would disagree, feel safe in your anonymous group".
How can anyone who has a whole thread named after him, that's been viewed 687 times since January 15, say he's being ignored? The name Dave Lakhani initially came up in another thread, and there were so many comments about him that the moderator asked for another thread to be created. Lakhani's not being ignored. He's getting plenty of attention.
Dave, no one who posts as much as you do can honestly claim to be shut out. (Although you did try to set up that scenario in your very first post, when you talked about your difficulty registering.) Speaking for myself, I'm resisting your "ideas and possibilities" because you're an ignoramus who's full of shit.
ImthatDave
"In the meantime, I'll continue to do the real work of sharing the knowledge with as many people as possible, of how not to get caught up in coercive groups. I've wasted all the time I intend to with people who apparently limit their experience to a forum where they can be anonymous rather than actually doing something to make the world a better place.
You can't do the "real work" because don't possess even the most basic knowledge. The "real work" I've seen on your websites, videos, and podcasts shows you to be an uneducated, ill-informed huckster.
ImthatDave
"In reference to CAN, I'm going to have an addition made to the page where the interview is hosted to correct the error about CAN. As much as you'd like to make it an issue, it was simply an oversight and I'll correct it there and in the future."
It was an oversight in the same way that letting Osama bin Laden board an airplane would be an oversight. You're just trying to downplay your ignorance because you have no other options. This "oversight" demonstrates your true level of knowledge so beautifully that you have to pretend it doesn't matter.
And there's no need for anyone to make your ignorance of Scientology's takeover of CAN an issue. It just is an issue. It's the tip of an iceberg of ignorance that tells prospective clients everything they need to know about you. The lawsuits leading up to the take-over were in the national news for years, as was the take-over itself. The loss of CAN as a resource was one of the biggest events in the cult recovery/malicious persuasion field in the 1990s.
NO ONE who didn't know that Scientology now owns CAN can claim to be an expert in cult recovery or claim to be in the business you claim to be in. Period. You must be in some other business.
(Incidentally, ::snicker:: for writing Lifton's name as "Lipton". Perhaps you were thinking of that crackpot Bruce Lipton? Or maybe you were having a bowl of soup.)
Saying that Lifton is "well-studied and well-written" is like saying Freud is "well-studied and well-written". It's true (though weirdly put) and it's beside the point. Freud is the founder of modern psychology. Lifton is the founder of the modern field of the study of thought reform. They're not merely "well-studied" in their fields, they created their fields.
Anyone who's serious about cult recovery, brain-washing, or persuasion reads Lifton, in the same way that all serious psychologists read Freud, or all serious political theorists read Hobbes. If someone were selling himself as a philosopher and it turned out he'd not only never read Plato, but felt that Plato "is not the only expert to be studied or quoted", it would be impossible to take him seriously. There are millions of philosophical works, too. And there's Plato. (Or as Lakhani would say if he were advertising himself as a philosopher, Plado.) You can't skip Plato and be a competent philospher.
Lakhani's no different from an English Literature professor who's never heard of Shakespeare. Except there are no English Lit professors who've never heard of Shakespeare, because academics can't just tell stories about their professional backgrounds to an unsuspecting public and keep a job the way persuasion hustlers and LGAT leaders can.
Lakhani's opposition to anonymity is self-serving and amusing. His claim that there's "a huge difference between being anonymous in a forum and a group like Anonymous" shows he understands neither anonymous nor Anonymous. People who go around doing good works for self-glorification, and who won't do anything to help others unless they get personal credit, aren't admirable. They're attention whores.
ImthatDave
"I've wasted all the time I intend to with people who apparently limit their experience to a forum where they can be anonymous rather than actually doing something to make the world a better place." `
You have no idea what the people on this forum limit or do not limit their experience to, and no one believes you do. Besides, since you wrote that you've posted 4 more times! Is it thoroughly impossible for you to tell the truth about anything?
Dave Lakhani isn't doing anything to make the world a better place. He's using false claims about his knowledge and expertise to rip off suckers and line his pockets. The fact the he has referred people to CAN as recently as a few months ago proves he could have greatly harmed anyone who consulted him for cult recovery info, and that he's not at all a part of the cult recovery/anti-malicious persuasion community. The shallow content of his posts shows he's a poseur. The speed with which his carefully crafted story is unraveling shows nothing he says can be trusted.
If he could present verifiable evidence to back up his claims about himself and his work, he'd skip the insults and just present the evidence. One of the many reasons the anonymous format doesn't work for Lakhani is because it puts the focus on the data, not the personalities or the story. No one needs to know anything about who I am, who helpme2times, Stoic, The Anticult, or anyone else on this board is in order to evaluate the data in this thread. Unlike Lakhani, the data stands on its own. Read it and let it tell you the story.
People who leave cults and do not complete the recovery process often wind up drifting from cult to cult. Less often, they visit upon others what their guru visited upon them.
"If you find me to be as dangerous as you'd like to portray me then fine, ignore me, continue to rally around those who believe like you do, resist other ideas and possibilities, shut out those who would disagree, feel safe in your anonymous group".
How can anyone who has a whole thread named after him, that's been viewed 687 times since January 15, say he's being ignored? The name Dave Lakhani initially came up in another thread, and there were so many comments about him that the moderator asked for another thread to be created. Lakhani's not being ignored. He's getting plenty of attention.
Dave, no one who posts as much as you do can honestly claim to be shut out. (Although you did try to set up that scenario in your very first post, when you talked about your difficulty registering.) Speaking for myself, I'm resisting your "ideas and possibilities" because you're an ignoramus who's full of shit.
ImthatDave
"In the meantime, I'll continue to do the real work of sharing the knowledge with as many people as possible, of how not to get caught up in coercive groups. I've wasted all the time I intend to with people who apparently limit their experience to a forum where they can be anonymous rather than actually doing something to make the world a better place.
You can't do the "real work" because don't possess even the most basic knowledge. The "real work" I've seen on your websites, videos, and podcasts shows you to be an uneducated, ill-informed huckster.
ImthatDave
"In reference to CAN, I'm going to have an addition made to the page where the interview is hosted to correct the error about CAN. As much as you'd like to make it an issue, it was simply an oversight and I'll correct it there and in the future."
It was an oversight in the same way that letting Osama bin Laden board an airplane would be an oversight. You're just trying to downplay your ignorance because you have no other options. This "oversight" demonstrates your true level of knowledge so beautifully that you have to pretend it doesn't matter.
And there's no need for anyone to make your ignorance of Scientology's takeover of CAN an issue. It just is an issue. It's the tip of an iceberg of ignorance that tells prospective clients everything they need to know about you. The lawsuits leading up to the take-over were in the national news for years, as was the take-over itself. The loss of CAN as a resource was one of the biggest events in the cult recovery/malicious persuasion field in the 1990s.
NO ONE who didn't know that Scientology now owns CAN can claim to be an expert in cult recovery or claim to be in the business you claim to be in. Period. You must be in some other business.
(Incidentally, ::snicker:: for writing Lifton's name as "Lipton". Perhaps you were thinking of that crackpot Bruce Lipton? Or maybe you were having a bowl of soup.)
Saying that Lifton is "well-studied and well-written" is like saying Freud is "well-studied and well-written". It's true (though weirdly put) and it's beside the point. Freud is the founder of modern psychology. Lifton is the founder of the modern field of the study of thought reform. They're not merely "well-studied" in their fields, they created their fields.
Anyone who's serious about cult recovery, brain-washing, or persuasion reads Lifton, in the same way that all serious psychologists read Freud, or all serious political theorists read Hobbes. If someone were selling himself as a philosopher and it turned out he'd not only never read Plato, but felt that Plato "is not the only expert to be studied or quoted", it would be impossible to take him seriously. There are millions of philosophical works, too. And there's Plato. (Or as Lakhani would say if he were advertising himself as a philosopher, Plado.) You can't skip Plato and be a competent philospher.
Lakhani's no different from an English Literature professor who's never heard of Shakespeare. Except there are no English Lit professors who've never heard of Shakespeare, because academics can't just tell stories about their professional backgrounds to an unsuspecting public and keep a job the way persuasion hustlers and LGAT leaders can.
Lakhani's opposition to anonymity is self-serving and amusing. His claim that there's "a huge difference between being anonymous in a forum and a group like Anonymous" shows he understands neither anonymous nor Anonymous. People who go around doing good works for self-glorification, and who won't do anything to help others unless they get personal credit, aren't admirable. They're attention whores.
ImthatDave
"I've wasted all the time I intend to with people who apparently limit their experience to a forum where they can be anonymous rather than actually doing something to make the world a better place." `
You have no idea what the people on this forum limit or do not limit their experience to, and no one believes you do. Besides, since you wrote that you've posted 4 more times! Is it thoroughly impossible for you to tell the truth about anything?
Dave Lakhani isn't doing anything to make the world a better place. He's using false claims about his knowledge and expertise to rip off suckers and line his pockets. The fact the he has referred people to CAN as recently as a few months ago proves he could have greatly harmed anyone who consulted him for cult recovery info, and that he's not at all a part of the cult recovery/anti-malicious persuasion community. The shallow content of his posts shows he's a poseur. The speed with which his carefully crafted story is unraveling shows nothing he says can be trusted.
If he could present verifiable evidence to back up his claims about himself and his work, he'd skip the insults and just present the evidence. One of the many reasons the anonymous format doesn't work for Lakhani is because it puts the focus on the data, not the personalities or the story. No one needs to know anything about who I am, who helpme2times, Stoic, The Anticult, or anyone else on this board is in order to evaluate the data in this thread. Unlike Lakhani, the data stands on its own. Read it and let it tell you the story.
People who leave cults and do not complete the recovery process often wind up drifting from cult to cult. Less often, they visit upon others what their guru visited upon them.
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