Dave Lakhani, Richard Bandler, Master Practitioner of NLP?
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: January 18, 2010 10:29AM
Its ridiculous about the torrents and downloading. It was actually said that untrained people should NOT download, and should not buy, any of these countless so-called persuasion programs from torrents or wherever, as they are all LOADED top to bottom with all sorts of tricks, to upsell people, and do things to you without your awareness.
Many of the persuasion people deliberately release that junk online, to try to upsell people to live LGAT seminars, where they can charge thousands.
It was clearly said in these threads that untrained people should NOT download or buy that kind of stuff, and that they are NOT recommended as they are too deceptive, and the comments in these threads are for educational research into this area. The title above is Cult Education Forum...EDUCATION.
So its yet another Red Herring of Applied Propaganda by a self-proclaimed expert of propaganda.
The books are bad enough, as they are loaded with persuasion tricks from page one, and even from before page one, in the introductions.
Watch out, or get knocked out.
WARNING:
QUOTE by Dave Lakhani:
"I'm also one of the world's fastest hypnotists and can put people into trance in seconds." [forum.culteducation.com]
The problem with Toastmasters, is that through weekly behavioral practice and feedback, you actually learn public speaking! God forbid.
Toastmasters doesn't teach you to put groups of people into a hypno-trance in minutes, then hype them up into a manic hysteria, deceive them by by-passing their conscious minds with unconscious social influence, and get them to put thousands of dollars they don't have on their credit cards, in a a deluded attempt to learn the "DANGEROUS SECRETS" of cult mind control tactics, so they can exploit others for personal profit.
In reality, this exercise has turned out as expected.
There is an entire sub-culture where self-professed "persuasion experts" exaggerate, fabricate and lie to hype up their phoney products and services. They try to make wannabe sharks THINK that they know the secrets of cult mind control, so they can charge them thousands of dollars.
But guess what, they actually don't know the secrets of cultic mind control, they don't even know the basics.
Its smoke and mirrors, hype, misdirection and advanced salesmenship and saleswomanship.
NLP
The key question here, is about Richard Bandler, NLP and Dave Lakhani advertising himself as being a Master Practitioner of NLP. He is advertising himself this way, so he has to prove and verify his claims.
Who specifically did Dave Lakhani get certified with as a NLP Master Practitioner?
Which trainer? Which specific person, and when?
What about Richard Bandler?
Does Richard Bandler know that the name "Richard Bandler" is being used on countless websites as advertising and marketing for Dave Lakhani being an alleged Master Practitioner of NLP?
Perhaps Richard Bandler's people can search Google for this search string:
"Dave Lakhani" "Richard Bandler"
What will Richard Bandler or John La Valle have to say about this?
Anyone who knows anything about Richard Bandler and NLP and marketing and advertising, will know this is not an idle question..um...to say the least.
Many of the persuasion people deliberately release that junk online, to try to upsell people to live LGAT seminars, where they can charge thousands.
It was clearly said in these threads that untrained people should NOT download or buy that kind of stuff, and that they are NOT recommended as they are too deceptive, and the comments in these threads are for educational research into this area. The title above is Cult Education Forum...EDUCATION.
So its yet another Red Herring of Applied Propaganda by a self-proclaimed expert of propaganda.
The books are bad enough, as they are loaded with persuasion tricks from page one, and even from before page one, in the introductions.
Watch out, or get knocked out.
WARNING:
QUOTE by Dave Lakhani:
"I'm also one of the world's fastest hypnotists and can put people into trance in seconds." [forum.culteducation.com]
The problem with Toastmasters, is that through weekly behavioral practice and feedback, you actually learn public speaking! God forbid.
Toastmasters doesn't teach you to put groups of people into a hypno-trance in minutes, then hype them up into a manic hysteria, deceive them by by-passing their conscious minds with unconscious social influence, and get them to put thousands of dollars they don't have on their credit cards, in a a deluded attempt to learn the "DANGEROUS SECRETS" of cult mind control tactics, so they can exploit others for personal profit.
In reality, this exercise has turned out as expected.
There is an entire sub-culture where self-professed "persuasion experts" exaggerate, fabricate and lie to hype up their phoney products and services. They try to make wannabe sharks THINK that they know the secrets of cult mind control, so they can charge them thousands of dollars.
But guess what, they actually don't know the secrets of cultic mind control, they don't even know the basics.
Its smoke and mirrors, hype, misdirection and advanced salesmenship and saleswomanship.
NLP
The key question here, is about Richard Bandler, NLP and Dave Lakhani advertising himself as being a Master Practitioner of NLP. He is advertising himself this way, so he has to prove and verify his claims.
Who specifically did Dave Lakhani get certified with as a NLP Master Practitioner?
Which trainer? Which specific person, and when?
What about Richard Bandler?
Does Richard Bandler know that the name "Richard Bandler" is being used on countless websites as advertising and marketing for Dave Lakhani being an alleged Master Practitioner of NLP?
Perhaps Richard Bandler's people can search Google for this search string:
"Dave Lakhani" "Richard Bandler"
What will Richard Bandler or John La Valle have to say about this?
Anyone who knows anything about Richard Bandler and NLP and marketing and advertising, will know this is not an idle question..um...to say the least.
Dave Lakhani, Richard Bandler, Master Practitioner of NLP? or not?
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: January 18, 2010 11:15AM
There is too much to follow up all together...
Just to follow up about the alleged NLP here.
This is not going away. to quote Richard Bandler...the NLP claims being made are going to be researched RIGHT DOWN ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM. You see, one has to cut right down to the roots of a problem...so to speak.
The comments made by Dave Lakhani about "NLP" are actually highly deceptive.
You see he immediately moves to talk about NLP in a therapeutic environment, pointing to the ancient NLP basics like rapport, anchoring, and representational language...to deflect away from the more advanced NLP processes, which are used in persuasion and conversational trance induction. That is an entirely different area, and much of it has been covered in other threads.
Its very "interesting" to say to search all you want in the NLP area, and you won't find the name Dave Lakhani. (insert chuckle and slow shaking of the head)
Who certified Dave Lakhani as a Master Practitioner of NLP? Who? Where? When?
His comments about "hypnosis", are more deliberate misdirection, and are highly deceptive, to try and confuse those without that level of training or experience. That is a no no. You might get away with that with people who are clueless about that area, but not here.
When he says he doesn't use "hypnosis" as a persuasion modality, that is a bald-faced whopper. He has to say he doesn't use it, as that is one of the main methods being used.
What they do, is try to reframe the word hypnosis.
For example, if you asked a hypno-persuasion expert if he uses hypnosis, he'll say...NO NO, I dehypnotize people! There is no such thing as hypnosis! And then he'll start to tell you a strange Story about how he once saw a hypnotist and how people rapidly went into a trance because they believed in hypnosis, and even if they disbelieved in hypnosis some went into a trance...they started to listen very carefully to the hypnotist...that's right...and the more they resisted, the deeper into trance they went...that's right...just like that...
(that is explained in other threads too)(but if you really want to learn how to do it, I only teach it to my advanced students in private as its soo dangerous, and it costs $10,000...to start...and I might not accept you as a student, unless you beg me to take your money...that's right...)
(sarcasm alert)
To say that the advanced persuasion and conversational hypnosis methods, taught by Richard Bandler are not that effective, is more deliberate misdirection. There are very effective.
In the overall context of full persuasion, from social influence, and all of the main tech, using the advanced "stories" to modify people's beliefs without their conscious awareness, are some of the MOST powerful techniques in use today.
No one needs to get ripped-off from people claiming to teach these "secrets" of persuasion..."they" don't want you to know.
Its more than absurd when the people who are supposedly going to teach you what "they" don't want you to know, are the ones who don't want you to know, what "they" are really doing to you! Kinda ironic.
These days most of these "secrets" are available on the internet. But the problem is the field is full of misdirection, ourtright lies and con-artists, and there are tons of garbage mixed in with the actual persuasion knowledge.
And at this level, the attempts at intimidation and misdirection actually backfire and blowback.
Just to follow up about the alleged NLP here.
This is not going away. to quote Richard Bandler...the NLP claims being made are going to be researched RIGHT DOWN ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM. You see, one has to cut right down to the roots of a problem...so to speak.
The comments made by Dave Lakhani about "NLP" are actually highly deceptive.
You see he immediately moves to talk about NLP in a therapeutic environment, pointing to the ancient NLP basics like rapport, anchoring, and representational language...to deflect away from the more advanced NLP processes, which are used in persuasion and conversational trance induction. That is an entirely different area, and much of it has been covered in other threads.
Its very "interesting" to say to search all you want in the NLP area, and you won't find the name Dave Lakhani. (insert chuckle and slow shaking of the head)
Who certified Dave Lakhani as a Master Practitioner of NLP? Who? Where? When?
His comments about "hypnosis", are more deliberate misdirection, and are highly deceptive, to try and confuse those without that level of training or experience. That is a no no. You might get away with that with people who are clueless about that area, but not here.
When he says he doesn't use "hypnosis" as a persuasion modality, that is a bald-faced whopper. He has to say he doesn't use it, as that is one of the main methods being used.
What they do, is try to reframe the word hypnosis.
For example, if you asked a hypno-persuasion expert if he uses hypnosis, he'll say...NO NO, I dehypnotize people! There is no such thing as hypnosis! And then he'll start to tell you a strange Story about how he once saw a hypnotist and how people rapidly went into a trance because they believed in hypnosis, and even if they disbelieved in hypnosis some went into a trance...they started to listen very carefully to the hypnotist...that's right...and the more they resisted, the deeper into trance they went...that's right...just like that...
(that is explained in other threads too)(but if you really want to learn how to do it, I only teach it to my advanced students in private as its soo dangerous, and it costs $10,000...to start...and I might not accept you as a student, unless you beg me to take your money...that's right...)
(sarcasm alert)
To say that the advanced persuasion and conversational hypnosis methods, taught by Richard Bandler are not that effective, is more deliberate misdirection. There are very effective.
In the overall context of full persuasion, from social influence, and all of the main tech, using the advanced "stories" to modify people's beliefs without their conscious awareness, are some of the MOST powerful techniques in use today.
No one needs to get ripped-off from people claiming to teach these "secrets" of persuasion..."they" don't want you to know.
Its more than absurd when the people who are supposedly going to teach you what "they" don't want you to know, are the ones who don't want you to know, what "they" are really doing to you! Kinda ironic.
These days most of these "secrets" are available on the internet. But the problem is the field is full of misdirection, ourtright lies and con-artists, and there are tons of garbage mixed in with the actual persuasion knowledge.
And at this level, the attempts at intimidation and misdirection actually backfire and blowback.
Dave Lakhani, Kevin Hogan, Covert Hypnosis, persuasive storytelling
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: January 18, 2010 12:58PM
By the way, the type of blustery red-faced knee-jerk non-response, including attempts to intimidate, are the standard response when a professional persuader gets busted red-handed, with their manipulation techniques being openly exposed.
Its almost 100% predictable, if the persuader/manipulator is caught off-guard, the under-current of anger and rage is clearly visible in person. Their faces can turn red like a tomato, or their mouths will literally gape open as they are unable to respond for a moment.
So the first response is usually a type of angry personal attack, followed quickly by attempts at total DENIAL.
Its an attempt to redirect and misdirect the attention of the audience, using overgeneralizations and denial.
The next step, (after literally kicking the person asking questions out of the LGAT seminar), usually, is to try and reframe what just happened, often trying to use humor and rapport. As in...yes, I am hypno-persuading all of you right now using my crazy storytelling and conversation, to buy all of my products and expensive exclusive coaching services...ha ha ha! Isn't it funny?
If you are there in person, they will put their arm around you, and try to make that connection, and go back to the entertainment feel-good stuff, or soft love-bombing.
That is for the standard New Agey LGAT, selling Quantum Physics mindpower, or Non-dualism, Self-Help, or whatever. They just try to push away from any discussion of the persuasion being used on you.
But for LGAT's that use the content of "persuasion", its much more complex. As they need to admit to certain areas of persuasion, but not the ones they are using on you, or they WON'T WORK properly.
They often will try to do a Turnaround, to make you believe that in fact they are on your side, and they are trying to teach you these complex persuasion techniques.
But the problem is...the advanced techniques are very complex, and they can be dangerous. So he can only teach them to people who are qualified to learn them. So that is why they are so expensive to learn, as they are so complex. So the only way to learn them, is to register for the series of 5 advanced LGAT seminars over the next 3 years, which only cost about 50K, paid in advance.
And you will have to sign contracts agreeing to a gag-order about the LGAT seminar.
And of course, you have to be "approved" first by the teacher, and really convince him to take your money.
The best way to do that, is to enrol in the advanced personal phone-coaching contracts, of course. That is also very expensive, but its because you are being taught secret advanced material, that is only taught in military psy-ops and Black-ops. Actually, they often say they learned it from the CIA, so that is why its so secret...and so dangerous...its SECRET and DANGEROUS...which are great marketing ploys.
And of course, the CIA won't confirm or deny they worked with anyone, so that is awesomely convenient, as it cannot be verified.
That above routine is so common as to be laughable, but it can work, and people do make quite a bit of money running that script.
Its a laughable blunder (again) how Dave Lakhani tries to minimize and misdirect from this type of Covert Hypnosis, when in fact his colleague Kevin Hogan, who wrote the Foreword to his book, does that for a living as his main technique.
And Dave Lakhani is all over the Kevin Hogan website, and teaching "persuasive storytelling", which is covert hypnosis, Ericksonian hypnosis perverted to sales, exactly as stated.
There is a fun game...called spot the lies...and the lying liars who tell them.
[Beware of the outrageous levels of manipulation on the Kevin Hogan websites. Just look at the sick manipulation about making seminar participants sign gag-orders, exaggeration, persuasive storytelling, every tactic under the sun)
Covert Hypnosis Power www.coverthypnosispower.blogspot.com [coverthypnosispower.blogspot.com]
www.kevinhogan.com
__________________QUOTE excerpt for education and research analysis_____________
"Meet celebrities like Dave Lakhani when you join Kevin Hogan's Inner Circle"
Persuasion and Permission Granting by Dave Lakhani www.kevinhogan.com/influence-grant-permission.htm
Dave Lakhani at Kevin Hogan's Influence Las Vegas Boot Camp
I get pretty excited when I think about Influence 2010 because Dave Lakhani has agreed to deliver closely held trade secrets to you. In Las Vegas, I will explain to you what a trade secret is and why they can’t go in books or on DVD’s and CD’s and why everyone is bound to secrecy once they leave Boot Camp. [...] But you can’t teach other people this material and we are particularly protective of “trade level material.)
Dave Lakhani isn’t your typical presenter. Dave travels the world each year and earns more money in one day than most American’s do in two years. Part of that is because he has a brilliantly constructed persuasive persona. [...]
...
Dave Lakhani is the only presenter to be invited to present at Influence: Boot Camp four consecutive years. Why? The Inner Circle voted and it was unanimous. Everyone wanted him to return this year for more!
Dave is the author of several books including How to Sell When Nobody's Buying. [...]
One of Dave's greatest talents is structuring persuasive storytelling. Story sells. Most people can't tell a story. When you watch Dave in March don't just LISTEN to the stories he tells, watch HOW he structures those stories into his presentation.
Each year I ask Dave to do something...surprising... Last year was shocking. [...]
But I can give away his second module which is, How to Build a Persuasive Personal Brand. If you can brand yourself effectively, you can have almost anything you want in any aspect of life and business. [...]
In this third module Dave will show you how to Develop a Proper Social Media Strategy,. You could spend a month of twittering, all for naught. Or you can make it pay off. You could live on Facebook and never make a penny...or you can follow Dave's strategy for you.
[...]
_____________________unquote_______________________
There is a bunch of this stuff over at Metacafe.com and the name Dave Lakhani comes up there too.
'Covert Hypnosis' [www.metacafe.com]
Best Covert Hypnosis Videos [www.metacafe.com]
Search Google for:
"Covert Hypnosis" "Dave Lakhani"
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/18/2010 01:05PM by The Anticult.
Its almost 100% predictable, if the persuader/manipulator is caught off-guard, the under-current of anger and rage is clearly visible in person. Their faces can turn red like a tomato, or their mouths will literally gape open as they are unable to respond for a moment.
So the first response is usually a type of angry personal attack, followed quickly by attempts at total DENIAL.
Its an attempt to redirect and misdirect the attention of the audience, using overgeneralizations and denial.
The next step, (after literally kicking the person asking questions out of the LGAT seminar), usually, is to try and reframe what just happened, often trying to use humor and rapport. As in...yes, I am hypno-persuading all of you right now using my crazy storytelling and conversation, to buy all of my products and expensive exclusive coaching services...ha ha ha! Isn't it funny?
If you are there in person, they will put their arm around you, and try to make that connection, and go back to the entertainment feel-good stuff, or soft love-bombing.
That is for the standard New Agey LGAT, selling Quantum Physics mindpower, or Non-dualism, Self-Help, or whatever. They just try to push away from any discussion of the persuasion being used on you.
But for LGAT's that use the content of "persuasion", its much more complex. As they need to admit to certain areas of persuasion, but not the ones they are using on you, or they WON'T WORK properly.
They often will try to do a Turnaround, to make you believe that in fact they are on your side, and they are trying to teach you these complex persuasion techniques.
But the problem is...the advanced techniques are very complex, and they can be dangerous. So he can only teach them to people who are qualified to learn them. So that is why they are so expensive to learn, as they are so complex. So the only way to learn them, is to register for the series of 5 advanced LGAT seminars over the next 3 years, which only cost about 50K, paid in advance.
And you will have to sign contracts agreeing to a gag-order about the LGAT seminar.
And of course, you have to be "approved" first by the teacher, and really convince him to take your money.
The best way to do that, is to enrol in the advanced personal phone-coaching contracts, of course. That is also very expensive, but its because you are being taught secret advanced material, that is only taught in military psy-ops and Black-ops. Actually, they often say they learned it from the CIA, so that is why its so secret...and so dangerous...its SECRET and DANGEROUS...which are great marketing ploys.
And of course, the CIA won't confirm or deny they worked with anyone, so that is awesomely convenient, as it cannot be verified.
That above routine is so common as to be laughable, but it can work, and people do make quite a bit of money running that script.
Its a laughable blunder (again) how Dave Lakhani tries to minimize and misdirect from this type of Covert Hypnosis, when in fact his colleague Kevin Hogan, who wrote the Foreword to his book, does that for a living as his main technique.
And Dave Lakhani is all over the Kevin Hogan website, and teaching "persuasive storytelling", which is covert hypnosis, Ericksonian hypnosis perverted to sales, exactly as stated.
There is a fun game...called spot the lies...and the lying liars who tell them.
[Beware of the outrageous levels of manipulation on the Kevin Hogan websites. Just look at the sick manipulation about making seminar participants sign gag-orders, exaggeration, persuasive storytelling, every tactic under the sun)
Covert Hypnosis Power www.coverthypnosispower.blogspot.com [coverthypnosispower.blogspot.com]
www.kevinhogan.com
__________________QUOTE excerpt for education and research analysis_____________
"Meet celebrities like Dave Lakhani when you join Kevin Hogan's Inner Circle"
Persuasion and Permission Granting by Dave Lakhani www.kevinhogan.com/influence-grant-permission.htm
Dave Lakhani at Kevin Hogan's Influence Las Vegas Boot Camp
I get pretty excited when I think about Influence 2010 because Dave Lakhani has agreed to deliver closely held trade secrets to you. In Las Vegas, I will explain to you what a trade secret is and why they can’t go in books or on DVD’s and CD’s and why everyone is bound to secrecy once they leave Boot Camp. [...] But you can’t teach other people this material and we are particularly protective of “trade level material.)
Dave Lakhani isn’t your typical presenter. Dave travels the world each year and earns more money in one day than most American’s do in two years. Part of that is because he has a brilliantly constructed persuasive persona. [...]
...
Dave Lakhani is the only presenter to be invited to present at Influence: Boot Camp four consecutive years. Why? The Inner Circle voted and it was unanimous. Everyone wanted him to return this year for more!
Dave is the author of several books including How to Sell When Nobody's Buying. [...]
One of Dave's greatest talents is structuring persuasive storytelling. Story sells. Most people can't tell a story. When you watch Dave in March don't just LISTEN to the stories he tells, watch HOW he structures those stories into his presentation.
Each year I ask Dave to do something...surprising... Last year was shocking. [...]
But I can give away his second module which is, How to Build a Persuasive Personal Brand. If you can brand yourself effectively, you can have almost anything you want in any aspect of life and business. [...]
In this third module Dave will show you how to Develop a Proper Social Media Strategy,. You could spend a month of twittering, all for naught. Or you can make it pay off. You could live on Facebook and never make a penny...or you can follow Dave's strategy for you.
[...]
_____________________unquote_______________________
There is a bunch of this stuff over at Metacafe.com and the name Dave Lakhani comes up there too.
'Covert Hypnosis' [www.metacafe.com]
Best Covert Hypnosis Videos [www.metacafe.com]
Search Google for:
"Covert Hypnosis" "Dave Lakhani"
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/18/2010 01:05PM by The Anticult.
does Dave Lakhani really earn $60-$100K a day? Where's the proof?
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: January 18, 2010 01:29PM
www.kevinhogan.com QUOTE: "Dave (Lakhani) travels the world each year and earns more money in one day than most American’s do in two years."
US average income = $30-50K a year x 2
So are they saying that Dave Lakhani earns $60-$100K a day?
Uh, that is between $14.4 million to $24 million dollars a year. Where is the listing in Forbes?
Why don't they actually say a number, instead of a vague anecdote?
Perhaps something called the FTC and deceptive marketing? naw...couldn't be...
They just throw that "mini-Story" out there, to make the persuasion/manipulation shark wannabes start salivating with greed. Greed sells.
Also, anyone who would like to own some shares in the Brooklyn Bridge, can apply below, for select access to the exclusive Brooklyn Bridge Inner Circle club.
The shares have been known to be worth more than most Amercians earn in 2 years.
(in 1918)
The Inner Circle club has a few jerks in it, so to use a metaphor from Christa, its a bit of a Inner Circle jerk club. If you are a jerk, and want to be in the Inner Circle, and you have some equity left in your elderly moms house that you can persuade her to "lend" to you, you are wanted.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/18/2010 01:36PM by The Anticult.
US average income = $30-50K a year x 2
So are they saying that Dave Lakhani earns $60-$100K a day?
Uh, that is between $14.4 million to $24 million dollars a year. Where is the listing in Forbes?
Why don't they actually say a number, instead of a vague anecdote?
Perhaps something called the FTC and deceptive marketing? naw...couldn't be...
They just throw that "mini-Story" out there, to make the persuasion/manipulation shark wannabes start salivating with greed. Greed sells.
Also, anyone who would like to own some shares in the Brooklyn Bridge, can apply below, for select access to the exclusive Brooklyn Bridge Inner Circle club.
The shares have been known to be worth more than most Amercians earn in 2 years.
(in 1918)
The Inner Circle club has a few jerks in it, so to use a metaphor from Christa, its a bit of a Inner Circle jerk club. If you are a jerk, and want to be in the Inner Circle, and you have some equity left in your elderly moms house that you can persuade her to "lend" to you, you are wanted.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/18/2010 01:36PM by The Anticult.
Dave Lakhani, covert hypnosis, Sleight of mouth, lies and lying liars
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: January 18, 2010 02:01PM
Even Wikipedia has a tiny little entry on Covert Hypnosis. It has errors, and is way over-simplified and not well written, but its an easy read, which could lead to more careful study and research with the various links provided on the right hand panel of the article, like Ericksonian hypnosis [en.wikipedia.org] and how that has been perverted by these manipulative salespeople.
And don't forget to play the game of spotting the...
Lies...And the Lying Liars Who Tell Them.
______________QUOTE________________________
Covert hypnosis [en.wikipedia.org]
Covert Hypnosis is the ability to subtly communicate with another person's subconscious mind without them noticing. As it often takes place in the course of a seemingly regular conversation, it is also known as Conversational Hypnosis.
Robert Dilts Sleight of mouth [en.wikipedia.org]
In covert hypnosis the subject is unaware that the hypnotist is either a hypnotist, or hypnotising them, or that anything out of the ordinary is occurring.
__________________________________
And don't forget to play the game of spotting the...
Lies...And the Lying Liars Who Tell Them.
______________QUOTE________________________
Covert hypnosis [en.wikipedia.org]
Covert Hypnosis is the ability to subtly communicate with another person's subconscious mind without them noticing. As it often takes place in the course of a seemingly regular conversation, it is also known as Conversational Hypnosis.
Robert Dilts Sleight of mouth [en.wikipedia.org]
In covert hypnosis the subject is unaware that the hypnotist is either a hypnotist, or hypnotising them, or that anything out of the ordinary is occurring.
__________________________________
Re: Dave Lakhani, covert hypnosis, Sleight of mouth, lies and lying liars
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: January 18, 2010 02:33PM
Look at this vile website, which reveals some of the affiliate tricks and scams they use on people, and is promoting the "Disguised Hypnosis affiliate program".
www.disguisedhypnosis.com/affiliate.html
www.disguisedhypnosis.com
How To Unleash the Power of "Disguised Hypnosis"... And Instantly Master the Arts of Covert Persuasion and Hypnotic Mind Control!
Of course, watch out for the Lies and Lying Liars...
The name on that website...Dr. Jonathan Conrad Groves...that person might not exist.
Although a Jonathan Groves in Mesa Arizona does come up.
But that might be a ruse.
There is an interesting section on the Affiliate page...where the name Dave Lakhani is listed.
www.disguisedhypnosis.com/affiliate.html
Pay Per Click-
Listed Below are 6 Targeted Adgroups you can Market Disguised Hypnosis Under: Persuasion
Covert Persuasion Tactics
Persuade Anyone In Seconds.
Learn The True Secrets.
www.disguisedhypnosis.com/affiliate.html
www.disguisedhypnosis.com
How To Unleash the Power of "Disguised Hypnosis"... And Instantly Master the Arts of Covert Persuasion and Hypnotic Mind Control!
Of course, watch out for the Lies and Lying Liars...
The name on that website...Dr. Jonathan Conrad Groves...that person might not exist.
Although a Jonathan Groves in Mesa Arizona does come up.
But that might be a ruse.
There is an interesting section on the Affiliate page...where the name Dave Lakhani is listed.
www.disguisedhypnosis.com/affiliate.html
Pay Per Click-
Listed Below are 6 Targeted Adgroups you can Market Disguised Hypnosis Under: Persuasion
Covert Persuasion Tactics
Persuade Anyone In Seconds.
Learn The True Secrets.
Dave Lakhani, Ben Mack, Fast Company Fast 50 bogus nomination?
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: January 18, 2010 05:37PM
Where is the bottom? No end in sight.
Dave Lakhani is a close buddy with Ben Mack.
One will have to look into Ben Mack...very carefully, he runs many websites, and a strange blog called:
eCommerce + Profits = Real World Branding [espbootcamp.blogspot.com]
But one of the first things that comes up from Ben Mack on this eCommerce blog, right below a quote by Dave Lakhani, is a beyond middle-aged Ben Mack making a comment about an "18 year old hottie".
[espbootcamp.blogspot.com]
Ben Mack might be analyzed most appropriately by The Salty Droid. [saltydroid.info]
Dave Lakhani, in a blog comment, he says some things, like..
"my first name is Mohammed". Dave Mohammed Lakhani | Bold Approach, Inc
He also says..."As a former undercover narcotics officer"
"Dave Lakhani and Ben Mack Discuss Persuasion, Manipulation, Media, Advertising, Marketing, Public Relations..."
[boldapproach.typepad.com]
So he claims to have been an undercover narcotics officer too?
He also claims he was a...
"professional kickboxer and as a former law enforcement officer who worked in undercover narcotics and on SWAT (special weapons and tactics) teams".
Is there any evidence for any of this?
Where is the listings from being a professional kickboxer? Nothing comes up anywhere.
Why are there NO LINKS about the alleged NLP training? Nothing comes up anywhere.
That is going to be researched right to the bottom.
FAST COMPANY 50
They also say that their company Bold Approach was "nominated as one of Fast Company Magazine's Fast 50 companies". Which year?
Why is there no listing for Bold Approach in the Fast Company Fast 50?
Nothing comes up, except a personal listing.
FAST 50 [www.fastcompany.com]
By "nominate" do they mean the process where any random person can submit [www.fastcompany.com] a company name off the internet?! unbelievable...can't get much more ridiculous than that...
Is someone engaging in some extensive creative persuasive Storytelling?
They should learn from Byron Katie, and make sure your Stories from your past are all totally uncheckable, and involve just you and a cockroach, or a park bench.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/18/2010 05:41PM by The Anticult.
Dave Lakhani is a close buddy with Ben Mack.
One will have to look into Ben Mack...very carefully, he runs many websites, and a strange blog called:
eCommerce + Profits = Real World Branding [espbootcamp.blogspot.com]
But one of the first things that comes up from Ben Mack on this eCommerce blog, right below a quote by Dave Lakhani, is a beyond middle-aged Ben Mack making a comment about an "18 year old hottie".
[espbootcamp.blogspot.com]
Ben Mack might be analyzed most appropriately by The Salty Droid. [saltydroid.info]
Dave Lakhani, in a blog comment, he says some things, like..
"my first name is Mohammed". Dave Mohammed Lakhani | Bold Approach, Inc
He also says..."As a former undercover narcotics officer"
"Dave Lakhani and Ben Mack Discuss Persuasion, Manipulation, Media, Advertising, Marketing, Public Relations..."
[boldapproach.typepad.com]
So he claims to have been an undercover narcotics officer too?
He also claims he was a...
"professional kickboxer and as a former law enforcement officer who worked in undercover narcotics and on SWAT (special weapons and tactics) teams".
Is there any evidence for any of this?
Where is the listings from being a professional kickboxer? Nothing comes up anywhere.
Why are there NO LINKS about the alleged NLP training? Nothing comes up anywhere.
That is going to be researched right to the bottom.
FAST COMPANY 50
They also say that their company Bold Approach was "nominated as one of Fast Company Magazine's Fast 50 companies". Which year?
Why is there no listing for Bold Approach in the Fast Company Fast 50?
Nothing comes up, except a personal listing.
FAST 50 [www.fastcompany.com]
By "nominate" do they mean the process where any random person can submit [www.fastcompany.com] a company name off the internet?! unbelievable...can't get much more ridiculous than that...
Is someone engaging in some extensive creative persuasive Storytelling?
They should learn from Byron Katie, and make sure your Stories from your past are all totally uncheckable, and involve just you and a cockroach, or a park bench.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/18/2010 05:41PM by The Anticult.
Re: Dave Lakhani, Ben Mack, Fast Company Fast 50 bogus nominations?
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: January 18, 2010 06:02PM
Attn:
Trudy's Lemonade Stand, gross revenues of $8.43, has been nominated as one of Fast Company Magazine's Fast 50 companies.
So has...
- David L. Hancock [www.amazon.com] nominated for Fast Company's Fast 50 for 2006.
- Client Compass has been created by coaches for coaches, and has recently been nominated for Fast Company's Fast 50.
- Dave Buck and CoachVille Nominated for Fast Company's Fast 50
- every "coach" on the face of the earth who wants to pad their CV with the words Fast Company Top 50, has also been nominated. Good one.
Trudy's Lemonade Stand, gross revenues of $8.43, has been nominated as one of Fast Company Magazine's Fast 50 companies.
So has...
- David L. Hancock [www.amazon.com] nominated for Fast Company's Fast 50 for 2006.
- Client Compass has been created by coaches for coaches, and has recently been nominated for Fast Company's Fast 50.
- Dave Buck and CoachVille Nominated for Fast Company's Fast 50
- every "coach" on the face of the earth who wants to pad their CV with the words Fast Company Top 50, has also been nominated. Good one.
Re: Dave Lakhani, cult mind control tactics, covert manipulation
Posted by:
rrmoderator
()
Date: January 18, 2010 10:28PM
ImthatDave:
It's Lifton not "Lipton," who authored the seminal work defining thought reform.
NLP is controversial to say the least.
NLP is frequently described as manipulative and many people see it as an unethical way of attempting to influence people without informed consent.
It's Lifton not "Lipton," who authored the seminal work defining thought reform.
NLP is controversial to say the least.
NLP is frequently described as manipulative and many people see it as an unethical way of attempting to influence people without informed consent.
Re: Dave Lakhani, cult mind control tactics, covert manipulation
Posted by:
helpme2times
()
Date: January 19, 2010 12:39AM
Can it really be that someone who "persuades" for a living has given up so quickly?
And what's with the hurling of withering remarks and insults on Mr. Lakhani's way out?
Is that a classy way to do things?
Is that how a professional behaves?
Mr. Lakhani has decided:
"I've wasted all the time I intend to with people who apparently limit their experience to a forum where they can be anonymous rather than actually doing something to make the world a better place."
Funny, quite a few people show up in this forum to thank us for learning things that prevent them from losing a good deal of money, and worse.
And that's just the online stuff we do "to make the world a better place".
(For zero payment, I might add.)
Was Mr. Lakhani's participation here really just a waste of his time?
For example.... WAS it truly a "waste" to find out -- from this forum -- that he was gravely misleading people with his recommendation to consult with the corrupt Cult Awareness Network?
Even after he was told this, his main response was that he wanted to "move on".
Only AFTER it was pointed out that he was dangerously misleading people and that he ought to be doing damage control... only then did he say that he was going to take an action, which someone HERE recommended.
Was even that one thing really a waste of time??
And what's with the hurling of withering remarks and insults on Mr. Lakhani's way out?
Is that a classy way to do things?
Is that how a professional behaves?
Mr. Lakhani has decided:
"I've wasted all the time I intend to with people who apparently limit their experience to a forum where they can be anonymous rather than actually doing something to make the world a better place."
Funny, quite a few people show up in this forum to thank us for learning things that prevent them from losing a good deal of money, and worse.
And that's just the online stuff we do "to make the world a better place".
(For zero payment, I might add.)
Was Mr. Lakhani's participation here really just a waste of his time?
For example.... WAS it truly a "waste" to find out -- from this forum -- that he was gravely misleading people with his recommendation to consult with the corrupt Cult Awareness Network?
Even after he was told this, his main response was that he wanted to "move on".
Only AFTER it was pointed out that he was dangerously misleading people and that he ought to be doing damage control... only then did he say that he was going to take an action, which someone HERE recommended.
Was even that one thing really a waste of time??
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