Re: Fake Tibetan Buddhist Lamas - Do you know any "Wolves in Lama's Robes
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: June 24, 2013 10:02PM


June 23, 2013 08:11PM Misstyk wrote:
One thing that strikes me about this story is how Tibetan Buddhism has become commercialized. It seems more and more like this or that lama, whether Asian or Western, has taken an aspect of Buddhist practice, developed it into a product to be marketed, and then uses that vehicle to travel the world, make a name for himself, and teach the uninitiated techniques that traditionally were only intended for advanced practitioners.

I wonder how much background in Buddhism participants in the scheduled (and subsequently cancelled) workshops were required to have, if any.

And, another example of this:

Christopher Hansard


Re: Fake Tibetan Buddhist Lamas - Do you know any "Wolves in Lama's Robes
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: July 13, 2013 11:42PM

We cannot expect the Dalai Lama to rescue us


From a memoir Heart Blown Open


Heart Blown Open — Meeting the Dali Lama
Dali Lama
In the mid 1990s, Kelly and another dozen American Buddhist teachers were invited to visit the Dalai Lama in India.

“You’re going to India?” Sandra asked him, amazed. “To meet the Dalai Lama, personally?”

Kelly looked at the invitation in his hands. “Well, guess it’s time to go and see dad,” he said with a grin. “Find out if we’ve been bad boys and girls, or good ones.”

The fourteenth Dalai Lama was acknowledged by just about every serious practitioner of Buddhism as having penetrating insight into the true nature of mind. His insight was not in question, but some Americans thought his cultural programming from Tibet did, in fact, strongly color and influence his beliefs, and not always in the most insightful ways, especially around topics like homosexuality, oral sex, the role of women, and masturbation, where the Dalai Lama could sound strikingly like a Roman Catholic bishop.

The Dalai Lama was hosting the conference to answer questions that were arising with the first generation of American teachers of Buddhism, and to see if he could impart any wisdom or clarity where Western cultural confusion might be creating problems in their understanding of the dharma, of teachings.

A dozen Western Buddhist masters, from many different backgrounds, were brought to India to participate in the conference. They sat in an audience, with His Holiness on stage taking their questions. Kelly was near the front, and he listened as one of the American teachers brought up a troubling question: A high ranking Tibetan teacher had gotten into trouble for sleeping with some of his female students, and had been sued and forced into a kind of hiding from the uproar he had caused.

This problem, it should be noted, has been a long-standing one in spiritual communities. For some, like Osho (also known as Rajneesh) and Papa Free John (also known as Adi Da), they dealt with this by having “free love” communities, where sex was encouraged as part of a spiritual practice, to take away the taboo surrounding it. Many other spiritual teachers had been accused of sexual misconduct, from Kelly’s own teacher Eido Shimano Roshi to Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche to the Indian yogi Pattabhi Jois. And it wasn’t just non-Christians, either — in another decade, the dam would break on the Catholic Church, exposing an epidemic of sexual misconduct within its ranks. Clearly, sex was problematic for all of us, including our spiritual teachers.

“How do you explain his behavior, your Holiness,” the questioner asked, perhaps hoping for a psychological explanation. The Dalai Lama, smiling, leaned forward.

“The problem,” he said, gently, “is that their insight is not deep enough. When the insight of your true nature is deep enough, it transforms all parts of us, so that Basic Goodness and compassion naturally and effortlessly arise. This prevents the kind of deluded behavior we see with him.” He sat back.

Kelly, incredulous, waited for someone to challenge the statement. He raised his own hand and the Dalai Lama pointed to him.

“Your Holiness,” Kelly offered, “may I use a word here?”

“Please,” came the answer.

“Bullshit,” Kelly dropped, and a collective gasp went up from the audience. Father Geiger would have been proud to know Kelly was still making his philosophical arguments much the same way he had forty years before.

The Dalai Lama chuckled.

“I know this man we’re speaking of,” Kelly continued. “He took three three-year cave retreats where he saw only his master and lived in the wilderness with no power, no heat, no bed. That’s nine years of the most intensive monastic training. He trained with you, your Holiness, for a decade. And he spent another decade training in the States. This man trained for thirty years, and you’re telling me his insight isn’t deep enough? I’ve met him, I’ve talked to him, I’ve practiced with him, and I’m telling you, that explanation is, with all due respect, bullshit, your Holiness.”

Kelly sat back, smiling. The Dalai Lama nodded his head and chuckled again, his eyes shimmering behind the thick lenses of his glasses.

“That is because your insight isn’t deep enough,” he said with a kind-hearted smile.

Kelly’s mouth popped open. As the Dalai Lama waited patiently for Kelly to respond, he couldn’t think of a single thing to say.

Re: Fake Tibetan Buddhist Lamas - Do you know any "Wolves in Lama's Robes
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: July 14, 2013 12:02AM

caution: Ken Wilber appears to endorse this book. Learn from the book but avoid any teacher endorsed by Wilber. He has already endorsed Da Free John, Andrew Cohen, Genpo Roshi (Big Mind) and Marc Gafni

Re: Fake Tibetan Buddhist Lamas - Do you know any "Wolves in Lama's Robes
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: July 14, 2013 01:57AM

One way to evaluate a potential teacher:

If his or she looks too darned serious in the official photograph, seems to be straining for effect-- think carefully.

You can yourself try and hold that same pose, staring into a mirror.

If you cannot do so without feeling an intense strain after 3 minutes -- the pose is unnatural.

Re: Fake Tibetan Buddhist Lamas - Do you know any "Wolves in Lama's Robes
Posted by: rrmoderator ()
Date: August 02, 2013 08:12PM

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Re: Fake Tibetan Buddhist Lamas - Do you know any "Wolves in Lama's Robes
Posted by: claritee ()
Date: August 15, 2013 09:09PM

We thought that everyone connected with the planned Tsewong Rinpoche visit this May/June would appreciate the latest update since Tsewong Rinpoche has returned to America. We have been in contact with the President of Sang Ngak (Rinpoche’s organisation in California) Sarah Hylton, who asked Rinpoche our question about whether he gave Lama Jinpa the authorisation to give the Chod Empowerment, the Opening of the Sky Door. We felt it was important to have clarity on this for the people who took this empowerment and are practicing the Pegyal Lingpa Concise Chod practice.
Sarah’s response was response was :

“I just spoke with Rinpoche and Lama Pema and they wanted all students to know that the curriculum for the Tibetan Healing Chod was never developed or authorized by them. The recordings of the live teachings and transmissions were to be used for the students who participated in the live teachings and had received the wang and lung personally. Rinpoche never authorized the reproduction of these teachings to be used in online transmission and training programs. Asa did not follow through with many of Rinpoche's requests. Rinpoche did not authorize Mr. Hershoff to give transmission for any practice….In 2012, Rinpoche made it very clear that he would not be teaching with Asa Hershoff after the Bhutan trip of 2013. At this time he also asked that I be placed as President of Sang Ngak Chokor Ling which Asa ignored.”

A ‘Cease and Desist’ process has also been placed on Lama Jinpa by Sang Ngak to remove any connection between the two.

If anyone has any deeper questions about this which they would like to ask directly then you can email Sang Ngak directly on :
but please be aware that Sarah is away until the end of August so questions might not be dealt with straightaway.

Our advice is that if you are doing the Pegyal Chod now to wait until proper authorisation is given as practicing this within lineage is important.

We wish everyone caught up in this the sincerest best wishes yet hopefully now there is clarity about this and we can all move on.

Re: Fake Tibetan Buddhist Lamas - Do you know any "Wolves in Lama's Robes
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: January 14, 2015 01:40AM

One ongoing discussion.


A list of ongoing topics here


Re: Fake Tibetan Buddhist Lamas - Do you know any "Wolves in Lama's Robes
Posted by: Otto Wagner ()
Date: February 28, 2015 09:10AM

When you have a leader who is not walking straight, you will find followers astray. The empathetic political plight of the innocent Tibetan people paved the way for their leader to become almost an emblem of spiritual compassion or even enlightenment. However, the celebrity-like status and fame has swayed the man from their very own teachings. The Dalai lama even eats animals now.....what happen to the Buddhist non-violence compassionate thing?....

Article on Diamond Mountain/M Roach in Salon
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: March 23, 2015 11:05PM

When Buddhism goes bad: How a yoga and meditation retreat turned cult-like and deadly

How did a troubled follower of a charismatic, renegade American monk end up dead in a remote cave in Arizona?

Salon/March 16, 2015-Laura Miller

Text of this article is available in Cult Education archives here:


Re: Fake Tibetan Buddhist Lamas - Do you know any "Wolves in Lama's Robes
Posted by: Otto Wagner ()
Date: March 24, 2015 03:08PM

I would disagree with Scott Carney, in that it is necessarily the meditation practice that is to blame, or that it is the practice that makes people mentally unstable. With any spiritual practice, even if the original philosophy is on track, if the teacher or the so-called "guru" is a complete animal and strays worlds away from the original philosophy, then what he is teaching can no longer be called that particular spiritual philosophy or practice, be it Buddhism or yoga or Catholicism for that matter. How can one honestly call what this Roach does anything remotely related to spirituality?! So, to see a charlatan like that fuck people up, and then say, well, westerner or people from America just aren't cut out for'll make them crazy.... That is such an absurd and superficial presumption.

Now, I'm not being an advocate for Tibetan Buddhism, by no means, and who am I to say that I know what Tibetan Buddhism ORIGINALLY teaches. I'm just saying the conclusions that Carney arrives at are way way too simplistic and unthoughtful. It would be much easier to accept statements such as that the meditation retreats he was once leading people to were full of shit, or, that many modern so-called Tibetan Buddhist monks such as this Roach are full of shit, or, even that very very very few people in the west understand what spiritual life truly means and entails and really could care less, because they are so hedonistic and narcissistic that when they put on some supposedly "spiritual" robe--as if that's all it takes to make a person spiritual--nothing beneath the depth of their skin changes at all.

And to put all meditation practices, be it Tibetan Buddhist, Southern Thai Buddhist, Zen Buddhist, Yoga, etc....all in the same bracket is yet another silly thing to do. He should at least examine each meditation practice in as much depth as he possibly could before making such a presumption that they are all the same, all dangerous to westerner's mental just sounds absurd.

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