Google Images of Ram Bahadur Bomjon
Posted by:
corboy
()
Date: September 10, 2017 10:35AM
Ram Bahadur Bomjon -- the Siddhis of Public Relations
Google Image pictures of Buddha Boy.
[www.google.com]
That long black hair, beardless face, girlish expression and the white robes --
all that resembles conventional portraits of Jesus -- and the drag costume worn by Paramahansa Yogananda, the dude whose book Autobiography of a Yogi
accompanied many hippie visitors to India and shaped their hopes and dreams of
finding gurus and magic.
Here are the Google Image pix of Yogananda.
[www.google.com]
Yogananda claimed to have been taught by a guru named Babaji -- who was probably imaginary. But, pictures of Babaji abound and he has become a New Age
heart throb. His portraits look like those of Buddha Boy.
[www.google.com]
Back in the 1970s, a dude Haidikan Babaji popped up. He
died in 1980 or so. Managed to look like the pictures of Babaji.
[www.google.com]
Just the thing to attract Westerners.
Meanwhile, Nepal lies in ruins after the earthquake.
Crazy wisdom is the alibi used by those who defend creeps like this.
Chogyam Trungpa has a lot to answer for.
Crazy wisdom is a contradiction in terms.
The Euro, the British pound and the US, Australian, Canadian and New Zealand dollar each have much more purchasing power than the Nepali rupee.
So stay tuned. Buddha Boy just may come visiting, to chide us for our Western
materialism and inflamed egos -- while scooping up our powerful currencies
and getting us each to step up, kneel down, swallow his abuse and lend a hand to fluff his ego.
Buddha Boy and controversy: Google search results.
Buddha Boy's followers are referred to as 'Bomjonists'
This is a powerful Google search term.
[www.google.com]
[halkoriatimes.wordpress.com]
[www.google.com]
[www.google.com]
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 09/10/2017 10:44AM by corboy.
Google Image pictures of Buddha Boy.
[www.google.com]
That long black hair, beardless face, girlish expression and the white robes --
all that resembles conventional portraits of Jesus -- and the drag costume worn by Paramahansa Yogananda, the dude whose book Autobiography of a Yogi
accompanied many hippie visitors to India and shaped their hopes and dreams of
finding gurus and magic.
Here are the Google Image pix of Yogananda.
[www.google.com]
Yogananda claimed to have been taught by a guru named Babaji -- who was probably imaginary. But, pictures of Babaji abound and he has become a New Age
heart throb. His portraits look like those of Buddha Boy.
[www.google.com]
Back in the 1970s, a dude Haidikan Babaji popped up. He
died in 1980 or so. Managed to look like the pictures of Babaji.
[www.google.com]
Just the thing to attract Westerners.
Meanwhile, Nepal lies in ruins after the earthquake.
Crazy wisdom is the alibi used by those who defend creeps like this.
Chogyam Trungpa has a lot to answer for.
Crazy wisdom is a contradiction in terms.
The Euro, the British pound and the US, Australian, Canadian and New Zealand dollar each have much more purchasing power than the Nepali rupee.
So stay tuned. Buddha Boy just may come visiting, to chide us for our Western
materialism and inflamed egos -- while scooping up our powerful currencies
and getting us each to step up, kneel down, swallow his abuse and lend a hand to fluff his ego.
Buddha Boy and controversy: Google search results.
Buddha Boy's followers are referred to as 'Bomjonists'
This is a powerful Google search term.
[www.google.com]
[halkoriatimes.wordpress.com]
[www.google.com]
[www.google.com]
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 09/10/2017 10:44AM by corboy.
Re: Google Images of Ram Bahadur Bomjon
Posted by:
KaliYuga
()
Date: September 13, 2017 10:37AM
Thank you, Corboy for the list of interesting analogies. I have long ago noticed that the most successful fake gurus use the same uniform. And as you point out, it is always a version of the classical "Christ-look". Long hair, usually beardless (but sometimes with beard, those are the fans of "Moses-look" maybe?), and always a long and usually white (sometimes other color) robe. They know the human subconsciousness, that collective "memory" where we all indentify this look with sainthood and divinity. Bomjon, even if changing the colors of his robes from originally classical Buddhist dark red to white, then white with indigo undershirt (it reminded a friend of mine of Star Wars dresses), than again white, is carefully following the fashion. His follower monks and nuns got clad in blue robes in 2013 (and in 2017 also his lay women devotees in pink and lay men devotees in violet).
I would say that in a hot country like Nepal's south is, and jungles with many thorny bushes and high grass, long loose hair must be entirely impractical. Also, to wear long white robes, it can entangle one into many plants which grow in the jingles, and make it difficult to climb trees and run... Very bad dress for jungle trekking! So that fairy-tale that he lived in the jungles for years, is not so convincing, especially when his hair looks most of the time combed and his white robe washed in Ariel...
There is a strange phenomenon too, reading their online texts, I have realized that some of his followers apparently came to him after previously worshiping Yogananda, Haidakhan Babaji and/or Mahaavatar Babaji. Some Westerners seem to identify him with Christ (Messiah), because in their eyes probably if he claimed he was Maitreya Buddha, then it was the same as Kalki Avatar and the Messiah. All are told to arrive on a white horse.
Here are 3 images of his white horse when still alive and cared by his followers (Google images)
In fact, I have found on the Internet that his followers even bought him a white horse, to indicate that he was the Maitreya Buddha (Messiah), but the website [www.dharma-sangha.com]]Dharma-sangha.com[/url] (now already closed down, this is the archive)described some terrible neglect or torture which caused that Bomjon's white horse died in bleeding wounds. The site owner was an eye-witness of the death of the white horse. So it is quite obvious that Ram Bomjon is not the awaited Messiah, at least we have never heard about the Messiah's white horse to be tortured to death by him...
The same Dharma-sangha.com website, which used to be one of his official websites, but the owner changed his attitude after seeing more and more controversies, also provides quite a lot of shocking information about Nepal's divinized guru who had been invited even by the ex Prime Minister:
[www.dharma-sangha.com]]About his girlfriends and his strange hobby of sending them to repeated abortions[/url]
[www.dharma-sangha.com]]Witness account of a Canadian devotee about Bomjon's sword attack[/url]
[www.dharma-sangha.com]]Attack on press during Puja[/url]
[www.dharma-sangha.com]]Warning for potential visitors[/url]
Haidakhan Babaji and Mahaavatar Babaji:
I have visited Haidakhan, because I was nearby and I heard a lot about it. But what I have seen there, was just a typical spiritual business in the middle of the jungles in a beautiful pure nature. It is organized by Western followers, and they made a kind of Disney-Land of it, with similar style paintings and "sterile" temples with long sets of rules how to do and what to there. It has zero authenticity, and the local inhabitants are treated as aliens and looked down by the "elite" Westerners.
Then I happened to speak with some locals and visitors about the Haidakhan Babaji, and some told me that he used to have sexual relationships with many Western follower ladies. So again, same story... Temptations, and fall.
Just to clarify: Haidakhan Babaji is a relatively recent person (died in the 20th century), but Mahaavatar Babaji is that mythical Babaji who is supposed to live forever and had been never born etc. That is the one about whom Yogananda writes. And to have it more complicated, in that part of India there are various sects of the Babaji believers
- the Ashram in Haidakhan is led by the Western devotees who believe that their Haidakhan Babaji was an incarnation of Mahaavatar Babaji
- but there is a group who denies this, and claims that they are two separate entities
- then I spoke with an Indian visitor who said that the Haidakhan Babaji is a fake thing, and the only real Babaji was the Mahaavatar Babaji
Not that it would be so important, all these groups, because they all hang in illusions and a worship of some idols and ideals, who themselves either never existed, or when they existed, they failed to prove any moral height and transformative power. In my humble opinion and little bit of experience, apart from keeping people in illusions and taking their money, this group and ashram is not harming bodies and minds, and I have never heard about any victims of this group. It is just a cult where individuals use the opportunity to become authorities above others, (because they had been appointed by Babaji), what induces power-struggles and intrigues, but with limits and a freedom to leave. But that is just my personal impression.
I would say that in a hot country like Nepal's south is, and jungles with many thorny bushes and high grass, long loose hair must be entirely impractical. Also, to wear long white robes, it can entangle one into many plants which grow in the jingles, and make it difficult to climb trees and run... Very bad dress for jungle trekking! So that fairy-tale that he lived in the jungles for years, is not so convincing, especially when his hair looks most of the time combed and his white robe washed in Ariel...
There is a strange phenomenon too, reading their online texts, I have realized that some of his followers apparently came to him after previously worshiping Yogananda, Haidakhan Babaji and/or Mahaavatar Babaji. Some Westerners seem to identify him with Christ (Messiah), because in their eyes probably if he claimed he was Maitreya Buddha, then it was the same as Kalki Avatar and the Messiah. All are told to arrive on a white horse.
Here are 3 images of his white horse when still alive and cared by his followers (Google images)
In fact, I have found on the Internet that his followers even bought him a white horse, to indicate that he was the Maitreya Buddha (Messiah), but the website [www.dharma-sangha.com]]Dharma-sangha.com[/url] (now already closed down, this is the archive)described some terrible neglect or torture which caused that Bomjon's white horse died in bleeding wounds. The site owner was an eye-witness of the death of the white horse. So it is quite obvious that Ram Bomjon is not the awaited Messiah, at least we have never heard about the Messiah's white horse to be tortured to death by him...
The same Dharma-sangha.com website, which used to be one of his official websites, but the owner changed his attitude after seeing more and more controversies, also provides quite a lot of shocking information about Nepal's divinized guru who had been invited even by the ex Prime Minister:
[www.dharma-sangha.com]]About his girlfriends and his strange hobby of sending them to repeated abortions[/url]
[www.dharma-sangha.com]]Witness account of a Canadian devotee about Bomjon's sword attack[/url]
[www.dharma-sangha.com]]Attack on press during Puja[/url]
[www.dharma-sangha.com]]Warning for potential visitors[/url]
Haidakhan Babaji and Mahaavatar Babaji:
I have visited Haidakhan, because I was nearby and I heard a lot about it. But what I have seen there, was just a typical spiritual business in the middle of the jungles in a beautiful pure nature. It is organized by Western followers, and they made a kind of Disney-Land of it, with similar style paintings and "sterile" temples with long sets of rules how to do and what to there. It has zero authenticity, and the local inhabitants are treated as aliens and looked down by the "elite" Westerners.
Then I happened to speak with some locals and visitors about the Haidakhan Babaji, and some told me that he used to have sexual relationships with many Western follower ladies. So again, same story... Temptations, and fall.
Just to clarify: Haidakhan Babaji is a relatively recent person (died in the 20th century), but Mahaavatar Babaji is that mythical Babaji who is supposed to live forever and had been never born etc. That is the one about whom Yogananda writes. And to have it more complicated, in that part of India there are various sects of the Babaji believers
- the Ashram in Haidakhan is led by the Western devotees who believe that their Haidakhan Babaji was an incarnation of Mahaavatar Babaji
- but there is a group who denies this, and claims that they are two separate entities
- then I spoke with an Indian visitor who said that the Haidakhan Babaji is a fake thing, and the only real Babaji was the Mahaavatar Babaji
Not that it would be so important, all these groups, because they all hang in illusions and a worship of some idols and ideals, who themselves either never existed, or when they existed, they failed to prove any moral height and transformative power. In my humble opinion and little bit of experience, apart from keeping people in illusions and taking their money, this group and ashram is not harming bodies and minds, and I have never heard about any victims of this group. It is just a cult where individuals use the opportunity to become authorities above others, (because they had been appointed by Babaji), what induces power-struggles and intrigues, but with limits and a freedom to leave. But that is just my personal impression.
Re: Fake Tibetan Buddhist Lamas - Do you know any "Wolves in Lama's Ro
Posted by:
ollaimh
()
Date: September 27, 2017 02:26PM
kelsang gyatso did a lot more. he gives vows to monks and nuns without the necessary authority. for those who don't know to give these vows you need five monks or nuns. most take the vows from one person, with a promise to take the full ordination at a future time, but they are in schools that have more than the required five so the authority is there. kelsang gyatso started on his own after being kicked out of his monastary and has never had another person in his group possessing the full vows, so all his ordinations are non buddhist. that's a serious transgression of the vinaya of any buddhist school. he has also published books on deep practices that are not allowed to be public without full oral teachings, again a violation of the school he came from. these are non buddhist activities.
Re: Fake Tibetan Buddhist Lamas - Do you know any "Wolves in Lama's Robes
Posted by:
ollaimh
()
Date: September 27, 2017 02:36PM
absolutely wrong. when significant damages are given in a settlemnet as in the rigpa case then there has been an admission of culpability. it is childish to maintain that anyone pays damages when they are not culapible. most groups have insurance, their insurers would breach them for paying damages for things they were not culpible of. these arguments are tiresome and show real ignorance of the legal system(i used to be a lawyer). in addition criminal prosecutors may have evidence of criminal acts but often do not act if significant damages have been paid out for several reasons. first the complainant is no longer co-operative because they signed a non disclosure agreement, therefore the prosecutor would have to supbonae the complainant or secure a detention of witness order--which they will only rarely do, second, the witnesses have been intimidated by abuse of religious and moral suasion from giving testimony, and third they are reluctant untill recently to get into religious cases. the last is changing. the case og msgr willian lynne in pennsylvannia is on appeal. the msgr was convicted of felony child endangerment not for any abuse he committed but for having swx abusing priests in his diosess and not warning the parments of children in the diossess. so american authorities are not going to tolerate this sort of thing much longer.
Re: Fake Tibetan Buddhist Lamas - Do you know any "Wolves in Lama's Ro
Posted by:
ollaimh
()
Date: September 27, 2017 02:39PM
dear hersh, i was a namgyal student for a while, but not very close. i would like to read your paper. please contact me if you wish to share.
Re: Fake Tibetan Buddhist Lamas - Do you know any "Wolves in Lama's Robes
Posted by:
ollaimh
()
Date: September 27, 2017 03:29PM
watch that coffee corboy!!!
Re: Fake Tibetan Buddhist Lamas - Do you know any "Wolves in Lama's Robes
Posted by:
Misstyk
()
Date: September 29, 2017 08:27AM
This is very helpful information. Of course people defend Sogyal by saying the Jane Doe case was settled out of court, so it means there was insufficient info to convict, or it was a spurious case. So this procedural background info is important to know.
Re: Fake Tibetan Buddhist Lamas - Do you know any "Wolves in Lama's Ro
Posted by:
Misstyk
()
Date: September 29, 2017 08:34AM
ollaimh Wrote:
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> kelsang gyatso did a lot more. he gives vows to
> monks and nuns without the necessary authority.
> for those who don't know to give these vows you
> need five monks or nuns. most take the vows from
> one person, with a promise to take the full
> ordination at a future time, but they are in
> schools that have more than the required five so
> the authority is there. kelsang gyatso started on
> his own after being kicked out of his monastary
> and has never had another person in his group
> possessing the full vows, so all his ordinations
> are non buddhist. that's a serious transgression
> of the vinaya of any buddhist school. he has also
> published books on deep practices that are not
> allowed to be public without full oral teachings,
> again a violation of the school he came from.
> these are non buddhist activities.
This all is very important. I'm wondering if we should start a new thread about him. This info you're posting isn't well-known, and is never discussed.
Who are these "monks" and "nuns" he ordains, anyway? I've heard he gives tantric initiations, which is to say Mahamudra-type practice, to teenagers who have only been in his sangha a year or two.
I wonder when the fascination with this type of exotic religion will pass, as the guru era of the 60's has pretty much passed? The problem is, with the Dalai Lama still active internationally, promoting TB, he's unwittingly contributing to the problem of people being taken in by these shysters.
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> kelsang gyatso did a lot more. he gives vows to
> monks and nuns without the necessary authority.
> for those who don't know to give these vows you
> need five monks or nuns. most take the vows from
> one person, with a promise to take the full
> ordination at a future time, but they are in
> schools that have more than the required five so
> the authority is there. kelsang gyatso started on
> his own after being kicked out of his monastary
> and has never had another person in his group
> possessing the full vows, so all his ordinations
> are non buddhist. that's a serious transgression
> of the vinaya of any buddhist school. he has also
> published books on deep practices that are not
> allowed to be public without full oral teachings,
> again a violation of the school he came from.
> these are non buddhist activities.
This all is very important. I'm wondering if we should start a new thread about him. This info you're posting isn't well-known, and is never discussed.
Who are these "monks" and "nuns" he ordains, anyway? I've heard he gives tantric initiations, which is to say Mahamudra-type practice, to teenagers who have only been in his sangha a year or two.
I wonder when the fascination with this type of exotic religion will pass, as the guru era of the 60's has pretty much passed? The problem is, with the Dalai Lama still active internationally, promoting TB, he's unwittingly contributing to the problem of people being taken in by these shysters.
Re: Fake Tibetan Buddhist Lamas - Do you know any "Wolves in Lama's Robes
Posted by:
corboy
()
Date: September 29, 2017 09:36PM
Is this the same Kelsang Gyatso who started New Kadampa Traditions?
If so, NKT's books are published by 'Heart of Tharapa"
In the various Tibetan Buddhist sects, it is common for dedicated practitioners to study with different teachers, sometimes teachers from a variety of sects, not just their own sect.
By contrast, members of New Kadampa are expected to study only New Kadampa material, and go to no other teachers.
Kelsang Gyatso
[www.google.com]
Kelang Gyatso Dorge Shugden controversy -- KG and NKT split from the Dalai Lama --anyone in NKT will be used as part of a shabby controversy within the Gelukpa Vajrayana sect -- a big distraction from genuine spiritual practice.
Meet Tibetan Buddhists Who Hate the Dalai Lama More Than the Chinese - Foreign Policy
[foreignpolicy.com]
[www.google.com]
Kelsang Gyatso exploitation
[www.google.com]
New Kadampa Survivors
[buddhism-controversy-blog.com]
Worries as Buddhist sect spreads in North - Residential centre to be opened
[www.culteducation.com]
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If so, NKT's books are published by 'Heart of Tharapa"
In the various Tibetan Buddhist sects, it is common for dedicated practitioners to study with different teachers, sometimes teachers from a variety of sects, not just their own sect.
By contrast, members of New Kadampa are expected to study only New Kadampa material, and go to no other teachers.
Kelsang Gyatso
[www.google.com]
Kelang Gyatso Dorge Shugden controversy -- KG and NKT split from the Dalai Lama --anyone in NKT will be used as part of a shabby controversy within the Gelukpa Vajrayana sect -- a big distraction from genuine spiritual practice.
Meet Tibetan Buddhists Who Hate the Dalai Lama More Than the Chinese - Foreign Policy
[foreignpolicy.com]
[www.google.com]
Kelsang Gyatso exploitation
[www.google.com]
New Kadampa Survivors
[buddhism-controversy-blog.com]
Worries as Buddhist sect spreads in North - Residential centre to be opened
[www.culteducation.com]
(Excerpts)
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Worries as Buddhist sect spreads in North - Residential centre to be opened
The Journal (UK)/January 26, 1999
By Gareth Walsh
A Buddhist sect at the centre of complaints from concerned families is seeking to strengthen its North powerbase.
Followers of the New Kadampa Tradition, once linked with allegations of a plot to overthrow the Dalai Lama, already boast a string of UK properties including two country houses, one of them their headquarters and home of their spiritual leader.
Overseas worshippers of the deity Dorje Shugden have been questioned over the brutal murder and mutilation of one of the Nobel Prize-winning Dalai Lama's closest confidants and two other monks.
And devotees in the NKT have been accused of putting family relationships under strain as their acolytes follow a fast track into the faith.
The NKT is now planning to open a new residential centre in Newcastle. In addition to the sect's HQ in a neo-gothic mansion in Ulverston, Cumbria, the NKT has an established residential centre in Milton Street, Darlington, County Durham, and a Georgian mansion near York.
It already holds teachings in 16 other North-East towns or cities, and plans new sessions in Hexham, Northumberland, and Whitley Bay, North Tyneside.
Ian Howarth, of the support group the Cult Information Centre, said: "We have certainly had complaints about NKT activities, and we are very concerned about them."
The centre has been approached by families and friends of some NKT members worried about personality changes among a number of people who join the group putting strain on relationships.
Concerns have also been expressed about the depth of commitment members make within a relatively short time of contacting the NKT, and about the group's opposition to the Dalai Lama.
The NKT is believed to be Britain's fastest-growing Buddhist sect with more than 3,000 members, and a publishing business.
Jim Belither, NKT secretary, says his organisation as a whole is no longer involved in the Dorje Shugden controversy, although he admits individual members may be.
"Individuals are free to be linked, but as an organisation, we are not involved."
Of complaints to the Cult Information Centre he said: "Sometimes people can get over-enthusiastic about the NKT, but then that rubs off, and they get back to everyday life. It's true some go over the top - but we try to encourage them to have a sensible long-term view.
"I do not believe the criticisms are borne out when you look at them properly. We do not encourage the break-up of families. We encourage people to keep up contact with families. "We do say we alter minds, because we believe all problems arise from the mind. But that comes from individuals, from their own side, not brainwashing." Power Play Plot
Were monks pawns in power play plot? - As an espionage thriller it would stretch the limits of credibility. But, as Gareth Walsh reports, truth may be stranger than fiction in the story of a North-based sect.
Centre of attention: Conishead Priory, once a home for Durham miners, is now the base of the New Kadampa Tradition.
AMID mature woodland, at the end of a driveway running through Cumbrian pasture, nestles Conishead Priory.
For more than 20 years the former Durham miners' home has played host to an unlikely resident, Tibetan Buddhist monk Geshe Kelsang.
>From the mansion, the New Kadampa Tradition, of which Kelsang is spiritual head, has spread its influence across the UK overseeing the setting up of residential centres for devotees, and is now pouring hundreds of thousands of pounds into overseas groups.
Among its latest targets is Newcastle, where the NKT hopes to open a permanent centre.
On a superficial level the charity looks like an increasingly successful fringe religious group playing to the spiritual dissatisfaction with '90s materialist society - though with a few hiccups along the way.
The NKT's total assets almost doubled from £141,555 in 1993 to £228,663 in 1997. From an income of £367,042 around 65pc went in charitable donations, much to its centres in the UK and overseas.
In its literature, the NKT asks supporters to give interest-free loans, tax-free deeds of covenant or gifts of more than £250, or to be included in supporters' wills. The purchase of NKT centres is largely facilitated by using residents' rents to cover mortgages.
The NKT supporters have been offered, and accepted, more than £90,000 in grants from English Heritage to renovate their Cumbria headquarters, although only £15,718 has so far been taken up.
South Lakeland District Council has previously taken enforcement action following unauthorised work on the grade two-listed priory but says the owners are now complying with regulations.
On a more profound level however, the NKT may have inadvertently stepped into a Communist plot affecting the lives of millions of Tibetans.
Despite the tranquillity of the priory, renamed the Manjushri Centre, all has not been well in Buddhaland. For not only has Kelsang been at odds with the Nobel Prize-winning Dalai Lama, leader of Tibetans exiled by the invasion of their homeland, he may also have unwittingly played straight into the hands of Chinese agents aiming to sow havoc among the Lama's followers.
The quarrel between the two holy men broke out over the worship of a centuries-old Tibetan deity Dorje Shugden. The Dalai Lama insists Shugden worship is crass, commercial and damaging. Kelsang says the Lama is trampling human rights by trying to ban an important religious practice.
Had their dispute been played out in India, seat of Tibet's exile government, it would have made at most a few column inches in the West. It was when NKT supporters - Western Buddhists - took to European streets that the schism made headlines.
Following protests in May 1997 the Dalai Lama eventually entered the fray and criticised Dorje Shugden worshippers for praying to the deity for success in business.
Concern about Shugden supporters grew following the bloody murder of the Dalai Lama's close friend, 70-year-old Lobsang Gyatso,and two young monks, a few hundred yards from the Lama's northern Indian home.
Shugdens in India were questioned about the killings but were not charged.
The NKT says it has stopped its campaign against the Dalai Lama. But the damage may already have been done in the playing out of a covert political plot featuring unwitting NKT members.
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Re: Fake Tibetan Buddhist Lamas - Do you know any "Wolves in Lama's Robes
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Date: September 30, 2017 09:29PM
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