Many years ago I was attending a training in some fairly high level NLP and Hypnosis.
The instructor, who is very well known, mentioned this guy who was using these types of techniques to seduce women and have sex with them.
I was young, single and thus intrigued! and so I began my journey in to the bizarre underworld that is "the seduction community"
The mans name was Ross Jeffries. Early techniques involve "patterning" a woman, to play her emotions like a musical instrument and to manipulate her hopes and fears and core values to place her in a state of abandoning her critical faculty, opening her up for sex.
These techniques were soundly based on NLP, Psychology, Social Compliance, Confusion, Ericksonian Hypnosis etc.
Just as worrying as the effect on the poor unsuspecting females, who find themselves on the receiving end of these techniques; was the surrounding beliefs that were being passed on to the disciples of these methods. Women were viewed as targets to be "conquered" and then bragged about (often with covert photography) in shady newsgroups across the web.
After Ross Jeffries came many others (such as his student David DeAngelo) all with their own take and spin on this seduction material.
To be fair, the morality of these PUA "Gurus" ranged vastly from, some pretense at being ethical to, absolutely no morality at all. Some even seemed to have contempt for their female targets.
In 2005 Neil Strauss wrote his book "The Game" which exposed this underground sub culture of the PUAs
Now this stuff is very big business. Pick Up "gurus" prey upon vulnerable damaged young men, selling them very expensive courses that offer sex and power and these students are then transformed in to strangely dressed clones with a strange look in their eye, speaking in creepy monotones, stalking nightclubs and bars all across the world.
Students use aliases and meet up with other disciples via newsgroups to hunt in packs, sharing techniques and victims.
I met up with some of these from my local "lair" and after a while saw some very damaged people who had lost any reference point with reality, justifying their lack of morality with a reductionist doctrine (often based on Richard Dawkins type ideas) these people literally became addicted to the courses and forums sold to them by smiling charismatic "Svengali" figures.
Some of the better known players in "The Game" are: (Often these "Gurus" use aliases)
And there are now many many others.
A general feel for this type of material can be found at:
There is no doubt in my mind that this phenomena has cult type aspects and is damaging to both hunter and hunted.
I am curious.
I have personally met one woman who was damaged by someone trained this way, any more out there ?
Or were you sucked in by the promise of sex and power. Did your view of morality and reality come out unscathed?
People should definately be aware this is out there.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 07/11/2009 04:10AM by sparrow.