Re: The Gnostic Movement/Gnosticweb lead by Mark H. Pritchard (Belzebuub)
Date: March 24, 2009 12:00AM
I just wanted to post something from Gnosticweb that shows how disturbing their master Mark Prithchard who lives a fantasy life believing in he is the mythical creature Belzebuub. I was watching it a few weeks ago and it says now that it was removed by the user. I am glad I copied it when I did. I think it speaks for itself about how abusive Mark can be and how indoctrinated his students and teachers are.
Sat, 02/21/2009 - 14:06
Helena
Join Date: 2009-02-12
Forum Posts: 13 'Stockholm syndrome' is not a medical term because it's a state of mind. Loyalty to a more powerful abuser – in spite of the danger that this loyalty puts the victim in...
Recently I have discussed this 'state of mind' with friends interested in personal development and I have discovered that in everyday life we have many situations where we behave under the syndrome of Stockholm without being aware. I find that you need to be very strong minded and aware person to notice these psychological situations where people try to use you with good reasoning, but in a way we could stop this sort of manipulation from others if we have awareness and free will in that particular moment.
It's interesting to see the many egos involved in the mind of people that suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. To discover these egos and eliminating them would be a challenge, and it would definately change the state of mind to a more conscious and free one. I think that is important to analize this negative state of mind in all areas in your life, I mean not just outside but also inside here.
Looking forward to your feedback.
Helena
#1 Sat, 02/21/2009 - 17:33
Cheryl D.
Join Date: 2007-07-07
Forum Posts: 14 Hi, it is an interesting topic, it does depend on what sort of abuse your experiencing, and from who, family, friends , the boss, using gnostic techniques, is helpful, finding the detail in yourself is liberating,but you will never stop this sort of manipulation in others, they will make a comment , and it will seem finished, but sooner or later it will reappear. I find being a gnostic a clear choice to wake up from the sleep of the world. You can only demonstrate by example, but finding answers for others, just doesnt seem to work, without them making the effort, I find they think your lecturing, fasinated by the work of the lord, some of the things people can say to try to make you capitulate to their way of thinking, its endless. I will use the term stockholm syndrome though, it may just do the trick, it will make it seem really important, because it just doesnt seem so already.
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#2 Sat, 02/21/2009 - 23:02
Vadim
Join Date: 2004-11-30
Forum Posts: 2973 Hi Helena,
I think that "Stockholm Syndrome" is a form of fear which may help to survive in some cases. That's a good point, I find, that it can be seen in everyday life.
When there is not much a person can do in terms of changing a fearful situation, there is a lot of suffering to bare, and expressing anger towards a stronger aggressor, with more or less power and control over you in that situation, may be quite dangerous...
So nature looks for other ways to survive, and one of them is to find reasons to like aggressor, find own guilt, rationalize situation, "respect" their strength, etc., all those ways of fear.
When a person is aware, then they can see those aspects of fear as they are. Obviously, it may require a real psychological battle to go through in some situations.
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Wed, 02/25/2009 - 21:48
Helena
Join Date: 2009-02-12
Forum Posts: 13 Hello Vadim and Cheryl,
Interesting the point about survival... in some cases the victim chooses to be diplomatic and kind to the abuser when there is not other option and I think that is a smart way of approaching the problem, but the abuser can sort of programm the mind of the victim with inferiority and guilt complexes so the victim becomes a follower. So even when the victim gets a chance to be free from the abuser he/she becomes trapped like in vicious circle that is only in the mind. If the victim becomes aware of this psychological manipulation then is possible to analize all the egos involved, eliminate them and be free from the abuser.
The Stockholm Syndrome is everywhere in everyday life... from bosses, teachers, members, moderators, administrators, relatives, friends, partners, etc. The more conscious you become the more you can see the manipulation, when you understand that you have free will and that there is nothing to fear because of God and the Superior Justice, as longer as you follow your intuition and do the right thing then you would escape from others using you. Although manipulators try to make you believe that your intuition is wrong by saying that is dreaming or not real, maybe a negative entity, so if you don't follow your Inner Voice then the manipulators have more power over you.
Thanks so much for your posts and I hope that you keep a positive state of mind.
Helena :.)
PS: Just wonder who flagged my post, I guess that someone that may practice that Stockholm Syndrome on others :p
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Thu, 02/26/2009 - 05:01
Belzebuub
Site Administrator
Join Date: 2007-02-10
Forum Posts: 47 Hello Helena,
Before implying that any individual qualifies for this so-called Stockholm syndrome category, don't you think that anyone who applies this label to someone should make sure they know the facts and are not dealing with assumptions?
Otherwise someone may blindly apply the criteria in this to individuals who do not actually fulfill the criteria, using the name of this syndrome as a form of judgment and condemnation.
Let’s look at the labels and see what the individuals are called - the victim & the abuser.
The abuser - programs the mind of the victim with inferiority and guilt complexes, manipulates victims.
The victim – their mind has been programmed with inferiority and guilt complexes and becomes a follower, trapped in vicious circle that is only in the mind.
Pretty nasty stuff!
There is a veiled implication that is going on here in your second sentence and by your last sentence you more clearly imply it, do you really think that is going on here?
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Fri, 02/27/2009 - 17:53
Helena
Join Date: 2009-02-12
Forum Posts: 13 Hello Mark!
I was only explaining the Stockholm Syndrome to help people to discover psychological patterns that they haven't been aware of yet so they can free themselves from manipulation and discover the truth for themselves leading a healthy and happy lifestyle.
I used exactly the same terms, abuser-victim, as it's written in any book or article where the officially recognised Stockholm Syndrome by psychiatrists and criminologists is described. But I could use synonyms for abuser-victim like offender-innocent. 'Pretty nasty stuff' isn't a positive vocabulary. ' It's very offensive' would be a nicer synonym.
Have a nice day.
Helena
PS:... I'm scared, I'm just a little girl with chicken bones, not very strong, cannot defend myself, please help anyone...
#6 Sat, 02/28/2009 - 05:20
Belzebuub
Site Administrator
Join Date: 2007-02-10
Forum Posts: 47 Ah, and I thought you were in your 'cult watch' phase :)
I think psychiatrists and criminologists have a long way to go before they can understand the human psyche.
I'll try to use nicer synonyms...occasionally.
Chicken bones? At least you haven't got a beak.
Or have you?
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#7 Sat, 02/28/2009 - 18:14
Cheryl D.
Join Date: 2007-07-07
Forum Posts: 14 Thanks Mark, that made it really clear,all those issues are relevant in this situation,but when in this position and it is ongoing, having to make someone aware of what they are doing to themselves, is daunting indeed, trying not to make matters any worse is not easy, my best result was staying completely in awareness and remembering my own innerwork.Technical terms,impress people, I mentioned pseudo esotericism to someone,they thought ,well at least it was something, because most people have no idea of how to evaluate the effect of their actions, except from other peoples overeactions. Becoming intellectual is a real mistake though, it doesnt solve the problem only changes it to make it seem it has dissolved and become stable.
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#8 Sat, 02/28/2009 - 20:44
Helena
Join Date: 2009-02-12
Forum Posts: 13 Hello Cheryl!
There is nothing wrong in being intellectual. I learned in some gnostic lectures about the level of knowledge and the level of being. A combination of both is ideal. A balanced person has knowledge, good intuition and good values. No matter how much you meditate that you still need knowledge to achieve complete wisdom. A person that is illiterate may have a great heart but still needs knowledge, an educated person my have all sorts of academic studies that still needs an inner sight for good values and faculties like intuition. So a person that is educated with inner faculties is great.
Light
Helena :.)
PS: Also I think that is a very honorable and valuable virtue to have an independent idea without apple-polishing.
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Sat, 02/28/2009 - 23:25
Matija
Join Date: 2003-08-28
Forum Posts: 306 Hi Helena,
I thought apple-polishing happens when you flatter someone and ask a favor for it, which I have trouble finding in this thread. Perhaps it would be good to consider if it is honorable, valuable, not to mention legal, to misinterpret words of other people and put them down by assuming things, even when doing it indirectly.
All the best,
Matija
#10 Sun, 03/01/2009 - 00:17
Martijn
Join Date: 2004-08-04
Forum Posts: 385 It is good to look out for external manipulation, too bad most manipulation is internal. For every no there is a yes and for every yes there is a no; the labyrinth of the mind.