Re: Cryonics, the real enemies of cryonics are those in cryonics.
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: January 01, 2011 12:35AM
Very disturbing about the "spoonful of sugar" payments that were apparently made.
And when Ben Best claims that the enemies of cryonics are calling the board of CI vampire satanists, that is simply an attempt at lame psy-ops.
Ben Best tries to distort the valid and accurate critics of the cryonics companies, as "enemies of cryonics". In fact, the critics are against the shams in the cryonics funeral business.
In fact, the real enemies of "cryonics" are the handful of people running the cryonics companies, and using them as fronts to basically feather their own nest, fund their quack DIY projects and patents, and pay their travel expenses, and spoonful of sugar payments, hot-tub expenditures, etc...
None of this is a mystery. Time and time again, those running these types of shamola organizations (so-called non-profit) that are linked with some sect, just use the organization as their personal piggy bank, and a way to get their other wants/needs met, including sexual.
Its the same pattern, over and over again, with many organizations who operate in the shadows like this.
Its very obvious what has been going on.
And when Ben Best claims that the enemies of cryonics are calling the board of CI vampire satanists, that is simply an attempt at lame psy-ops.
Ben Best tries to distort the valid and accurate critics of the cryonics companies, as "enemies of cryonics". In fact, the critics are against the shams in the cryonics funeral business.
In fact, the real enemies of "cryonics" are the handful of people running the cryonics companies, and using them as fronts to basically feather their own nest, fund their quack DIY projects and patents, and pay their travel expenses, and spoonful of sugar payments, hot-tub expenditures, etc...
None of this is a mystery. Time and time again, those running these types of shamola organizations (so-called non-profit) that are linked with some sect, just use the organization as their personal piggy bank, and a way to get their other wants/needs met, including sexual.
Its the same pattern, over and over again, with many organizations who operate in the shadows like this.
Its very obvious what has been going on.
Re: Cryonics, Cult Movement or Ligit Science???
Posted by:
Digger
()
Date: January 01, 2011 12:52AM
Three hits in an many days! This time it's Edgar Swank.
[cryomedical.blogspot.com]
Something HAS to happen at CI to amolerate these exposes, if it doesn't then
we must assume that the CI board, and members, approve of the leadership
style of the president.
[cryomedical.blogspot.com]
Something HAS to happen at CI to amolerate these exposes, if it doesn't then
we must assume that the CI board, and members, approve of the leadership
style of the president.
Re: Cryonics, Cult Movement or Ligit Science???
Posted by:
captnims
()
Date: January 01, 2011 02:17AM
Wow, Melody is my hero.
Re: Cryonics, Cult Movement or Ligit Science???
Posted by:
Stoic
()
Date: January 01, 2011 09:16AM
'Would the scientists of the future look at the biographical information of Swank and Yount, and be charitable in donating their time and resources toward attempting to revive such individuals?'
For this comment Melody is my hero now too.
100 years from now I can see scientists reading the bigraphies and saying, "Nah, he was a scum bag first time round, let's just pull the plug."
For this comment Melody is my hero now too.
100 years from now I can see scientists reading the bigraphies and saying, "Nah, he was a scum bag first time round, let's just pull the plug."
Re: Cryonics, Cult Movement or Ligit Science???
Posted by:
richiekgb
()
Date: January 01, 2011 10:06PM
Hopefully with Melody saying all that and standing by him - Shannon Blevins will finally get some of his problems sorted out.
Blevins is still a cryoncist enthusiast (!) he never asked for help exposing his abusers to damage "cryonics" despite what Ben Best and Co are saying.
They have tried to paint him as a uneducated hillbilly drunk who was abusive to his wife and was making a lot of this up.
He purely wants to get his wife back so he can try and repair his damaged family. True that prehaps that is probably not going to work out - but they have children and all sorts of other business to sort out. Its disturbing how people that work for/own cryonics companies feel the need to justify themselves and smear Blevins. That is Cultlike behavior and not what you would expect from people running a so called "medical scientific endevour".
The Cryogirl and TOV scandals will do nothing to damage the "concept" of cryonics just damage the "cryonics careers" of the people that were involved.
Any self respecting cryonicist will see through the bullshit Ben Best, Enoonsti, Luke Parrish and the others on places like Cold Filter have been spinning lately to protect themselves and the " cryonics cause". They have really messed up by displaying self interest and have shown us all how things really play.
The problem is simple anybody can set up a cryonics shop, so as a result some rather twisted people have been doing so.
Over the past 40 years various cryonicists/conmen have used Cryonics to exploit other cryonics enthusiasts and thier money.
Corpses have been left to rot against family wishes, Teenagers groomed for vampire cults, unneccesary animal testing, Dead bodies have been decapitated, pollutants have been washed into the local water supply, Money wasted on pointless inventions, Old Ladies have been euthanized, Bereaving Families have been sued, Families torn apart by cult behaviour, famous sportsmen immortalised by malpractice, graves dug up - the list of scandals is endless.
Cryonicist's should demand that their service providers are fully regulated and re-staff them (if possible) with professionals. All cryonics companies should be registered as cemetarys and not be allowed to advertise their services as anything else but a expensive exotic burials. There is no such thing as the science of cryonic preservation and these people should not be allowed to say it so they can sell it as one.
Prehaps then the scandals will stop but not while cryofanatics are calling the shots.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/01/2011 10:11PM by richiekgb.
Blevins is still a cryoncist enthusiast (!) he never asked for help exposing his abusers to damage "cryonics" despite what Ben Best and Co are saying.
They have tried to paint him as a uneducated hillbilly drunk who was abusive to his wife and was making a lot of this up.
He purely wants to get his wife back so he can try and repair his damaged family. True that prehaps that is probably not going to work out - but they have children and all sorts of other business to sort out. Its disturbing how people that work for/own cryonics companies feel the need to justify themselves and smear Blevins. That is Cultlike behavior and not what you would expect from people running a so called "medical scientific endevour".
The Cryogirl and TOV scandals will do nothing to damage the "concept" of cryonics just damage the "cryonics careers" of the people that were involved.
Any self respecting cryonicist will see through the bullshit Ben Best, Enoonsti, Luke Parrish and the others on places like Cold Filter have been spinning lately to protect themselves and the " cryonics cause". They have really messed up by displaying self interest and have shown us all how things really play.
The problem is simple anybody can set up a cryonics shop, so as a result some rather twisted people have been doing so.
Over the past 40 years various cryonicists/conmen have used Cryonics to exploit other cryonics enthusiasts and thier money.
Corpses have been left to rot against family wishes, Teenagers groomed for vampire cults, unneccesary animal testing, Dead bodies have been decapitated, pollutants have been washed into the local water supply, Money wasted on pointless inventions, Old Ladies have been euthanized, Bereaving Families have been sued, Families torn apart by cult behaviour, famous sportsmen immortalised by malpractice, graves dug up - the list of scandals is endless.
Cryonicist's should demand that their service providers are fully regulated and re-staff them (if possible) with professionals. All cryonics companies should be registered as cemetarys and not be allowed to advertise their services as anything else but a expensive exotic burials. There is no such thing as the science of cryonic preservation and these people should not be allowed to say it so they can sell it as one.
Prehaps then the scandals will stop but not while cryofanatics are calling the shots.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/01/2011 10:11PM by richiekgb.
Re: Cryonics, Shannon Blevins,
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: January 02, 2011 01:46AM
Its absolutely revolting for these cryonics salesmen are trying to blame and smear Shannon Blevins. Its obvious he didn't try to organize any type of expose. The truth is the exact OPPOSITE.
Remember when some of the cryonics salemen's dirt started to leak out, Shannon Blevins TOOK DOWN the webpage he apparently had, which was just an obscure webpage only a few people had seen.
But again, its not a surprise, that type of pathological behavior of the User.
In literally every case where there are victims of these groups/sects that get hurt, or their family gets hurt, those who have hurt them, BLAME THE VICTIM. You see that behavior over and over.
Those who are exploiting and victimizing people and their families, start to try and blame those who speak up.
Who is to blame?
Read the information that has leaked out, with those creepy salesmen from "cryonics", and what they are doing. That who is to blame. The creepy cryonics salesmen.
The cryonics salesmen target people interested in cryonics who have some money, and exploit them in that way.
But if they have no money, then they USE THEM and exploit them in other ways, like other groups and sects.
That is, they use them for unpaid labor, or in other ways, like sexual.
Many groups/sects end up doing the exact same things, to exploit and use people for their own ends.
They exploit the richer folks for their money, and exploit the broke people for their unpaid labor and/or other personal activities including sexual.
The only reason anyone in the "future" would "revive" any of these cryonics salesman, might be for an experiment in abnormal psychology. But of course, any sane person knows its never going to happen. The bodies have been destroyed by the cryonics mutilation, cell destruction, toxic substances injected, and everything else.
And the public does not have actual statistics about how many times the corpses, and which corpses have been in cryonics vats that have failed, leaked, and which corpses have been disposed of or cremated. If and when that happens, they don't have to tell anyone, in the case of the unregulated cryonics companies. The bodies can be disposed of, and no one will ever know.
As others have said, at least if its regulated as a cemetery, one assumes any tampering with the bodies is illegal and requires a court order, like opening up a grave? Perhaps someone can research those facts.
But any frozen corpse must NOT be stored as biological research tissue, as that means the cryonics companies can cremate the corpse if they want to, and do anything they want. That is why they are against REGULATION, as that means ACCOUNTABILITY.
At minimum cryonics graveyards need to be like a legal cemetery, where its illegal to tamper with the corpse in any way, or however the by-laws work.
Now watch the cryonics companies all try to switch to being cryonics cemeteries, and then triple their prices.
Remember when some of the cryonics salemen's dirt started to leak out, Shannon Blevins TOOK DOWN the webpage he apparently had, which was just an obscure webpage only a few people had seen.
But again, its not a surprise, that type of pathological behavior of the User.
In literally every case where there are victims of these groups/sects that get hurt, or their family gets hurt, those who have hurt them, BLAME THE VICTIM. You see that behavior over and over.
Those who are exploiting and victimizing people and their families, start to try and blame those who speak up.
Who is to blame?
Read the information that has leaked out, with those creepy salesmen from "cryonics", and what they are doing. That who is to blame. The creepy cryonics salesmen.
The cryonics salesmen target people interested in cryonics who have some money, and exploit them in that way.
But if they have no money, then they USE THEM and exploit them in other ways, like other groups and sects.
That is, they use them for unpaid labor, or in other ways, like sexual.
Many groups/sects end up doing the exact same things, to exploit and use people for their own ends.
They exploit the richer folks for their money, and exploit the broke people for their unpaid labor and/or other personal activities including sexual.
The only reason anyone in the "future" would "revive" any of these cryonics salesman, might be for an experiment in abnormal psychology. But of course, any sane person knows its never going to happen. The bodies have been destroyed by the cryonics mutilation, cell destruction, toxic substances injected, and everything else.
And the public does not have actual statistics about how many times the corpses, and which corpses have been in cryonics vats that have failed, leaked, and which corpses have been disposed of or cremated. If and when that happens, they don't have to tell anyone, in the case of the unregulated cryonics companies. The bodies can be disposed of, and no one will ever know.
As others have said, at least if its regulated as a cemetery, one assumes any tampering with the bodies is illegal and requires a court order, like opening up a grave? Perhaps someone can research those facts.
But any frozen corpse must NOT be stored as biological research tissue, as that means the cryonics companies can cremate the corpse if they want to, and do anything they want. That is why they are against REGULATION, as that means ACCOUNTABILITY.
At minimum cryonics graveyards need to be like a legal cemetery, where its illegal to tamper with the corpse in any way, or however the by-laws work.
Now watch the cryonics companies all try to switch to being cryonics cemeteries, and then triple their prices.
Re: Cryonics, Shannon Blevins,
Posted by:
melmax
()
Date: January 02, 2011 02:14AM
Quote
The Anticult
Now watch the cryonics companies all try to switch to being cryonics cemeteries, and then triple their prices.
Alcor is not likely to willingly convert to a cemetery. If they did that, they would be required to employ licensed embalmers, and laymen wouldn't be able to dress up like surgeons and chop off heads. There are a disproportionate percentage of six-figure salary and benefits packages, tied to organizations affiliated with Alcor, and I think those are largely-dependent on Alcor pretending to be a research facility, and retaining their right to allow anyone off the street to "play doctor." Personally, I don't think Alcor meets the requirements of a non-profit agency, something I've previously stated, many times. They are preserving bodies, nothing more, as far as I can see, and, therefore, SHOULD be regulated as a cemetery.
Re: Cryonics, is the American Cryonics Society a sham?
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: January 02, 2011 02:21AM
Its also very obvious to anyone with even a shred of intellectual honesty or basic common sense, that the American Cryonics Society has become a ridiculous sham.
Its just sales. They look for people interested in "cryonics" and then cut all types of "deals" to get them into a cryonics contract.
They are talking about "trusts" and wills, other costs and payments, and pet-freezings, and the rest of it.
If that can of worms were opened, that would be another entire line of research all together. It stinks from a mile away.
Where are the American Cryonics Society IRS 990 Forms?
Has the ACS been drained of all its assets?
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[nccsdataweb.urban.org]
[www.charityblossom.org]
American Cryonics Society Inc.
Cupertino, CA 95015
Employer Identification Number (EIN) 942398719
# Group Exemption Number: 0
# Subsection Code:
# Affiliation Code : 0
# Classification Code :
# Ruling Date: April 1, 1977
# Deductability Code : Contributions are deductible.
# Foundation Code : Organization that normally receives no more than one third of its support from gross investment income and unrelated business income and at the same time more than one third of its), support from contributions, fees, and gross receipts related to exempt purposes. 509(a)(2)
# Activity Code :
# Organization Code : Association
# Exempt Organization Status Code : Unconditional Exemption
# Advanced Ruling Expiration Date :
# Tax Period: Dec. 1, 2008
# Asset Code: $100,000 to $499,999
# Income Code: $25,000 to $99,999
# Filing Regulation Code: 990 (all other) or 990EZ return
# Filing Regulation Code: No 990-PF return
# Account Period: December
# Asset Amount: $235,015
# Income Amount: $52,452
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Its just sales. They look for people interested in "cryonics" and then cut all types of "deals" to get them into a cryonics contract.
They are talking about "trusts" and wills, other costs and payments, and pet-freezings, and the rest of it.
If that can of worms were opened, that would be another entire line of research all together. It stinks from a mile away.
Where are the American Cryonics Society IRS 990 Forms?
Has the ACS been drained of all its assets?
----------------------------------
[nccsdataweb.urban.org]
[www.charityblossom.org]
American Cryonics Society Inc.
Cupertino, CA 95015
Employer Identification Number (EIN) 942398719
# Group Exemption Number: 0
# Subsection Code:
# Affiliation Code : 0
# Classification Code :
# Ruling Date: April 1, 1977
# Deductability Code : Contributions are deductible.
# Foundation Code : Organization that normally receives no more than one third of its support from gross investment income and unrelated business income and at the same time more than one third of its), support from contributions, fees, and gross receipts related to exempt purposes. 509(a)(2)
# Activity Code :
# Organization Code : Association
# Exempt Organization Status Code : Unconditional Exemption
# Advanced Ruling Expiration Date :
# Tax Period: Dec. 1, 2008
# Asset Code: $100,000 to $499,999
# Income Code: $25,000 to $99,999
# Filing Regulation Code: 990 (all other) or 990EZ return
# Filing Regulation Code: No 990-PF return
# Account Period: December
# Asset Amount: $235,015
# Income Amount: $52,452
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