Re: Desteni
Posted by: Sandman ()
Date: November 15, 2013 07:59PM

Here is page 129 (and the last) of the pages that were lost from this thread since the domain name was changed. Some links might be out of date but links to this forum have been updated.


July 07, 2013 06:52AM

Date Added: 06/12/2008
Posts: 295
Basic Income Guarantee, Equal Life Foundation, Desteni

The Desteni members are promoting the Basic Income in their blogs. Bernard Poolman's blog has several posts tagged "basic income":

The Basic Income Guarantee or Grant is a world-wide campaign for a form of social security which has been around for a while... The U.S. Basic Income Guarantee Network was founded in 1999...

It is "an income unconditionally granted to all on an individual basis, without means test or work requirement". The official website of the Basic Income Earth Network is

But the Desteni group are not promoting the real Basic Income Guarantee campaign and do not give links to any of the official BIG websites. What they are referring to is a "Basic Income Guaranteed" which they say is an initiative of their Equal Life Foundation.

They have a Facebook page for it and their own website where they ask for donations:

In my estimation this is the most outrageous scam ever attempted by the Desteni group thus far. The Desteni Equal Life Foundation is trying to hijack the term Basic Income by using it in a very misleading way. They are misrepresenting a campaign run by other people by trying to make it seem as if it is their own. People who wish to support the real BIG campaign could end up donating money to the Desteni Equal Life Foundation instead.

The webmaster of the Dutch association of Basic Income has written an article about this new Desteni scam:

You can also abuse the term Basic Income for personal gain by #EMS #ELF #desteni

All of this should be reported to the real Basic Income Earth Network

August 02, 2013 07:55AM

Date Added: 06/17/2002
Posts: 4921
Re: Desteni


The Rick A. Ross Institute for the Study of Destructive Cults, Controversial Groups, and Movements has officially changed its name to The Cult Education Institute for the Study of Destructive Cults, Controversial Groups and Movements.

The new domain name entry point and gateway to the Internet archives of the institute will soon be

The Cult Education Institute archives is a library of information about destructive cults, controversial groups and movements, which was initially launched in 1996 and has continued to be under construction and expansion for the past 17 years.

The public message board attached to the The Cult Education Institute will soon only be accessible through the domain name More than 100,000 entries from the former members of destructive cults, controversial groups and movements and others concerned has accumulated at the board over the past decade. The message board content continues to grow daily and it serves as a free speech zone for those who wish to share their insights and concerns about the topics listed.

August 11, 2013 06:37PM

Date Added: 06/12/2008
Posts: 295
Desteni ex-member, suicide, Bernard Poolman, Anna Brix Thomsen

This is a quote from Bernard Poolman, Aug 7 2013 :

Some of the Cyber-Trolls that Attack Desteni have Also been Linked to Suicides of people like for instance the Cult Forum and although We have Done everything Possible to take action, they’re Hidden in Internet Service Providers that Protect ‘Free Choice’ therefore, Protect Abuse.
But at the same time have a Look, Internet Sites like which are Extremely Abusive are Allowed to Exist and Who makes it Possible but the Corporations and the Advertisers, and the same with Cyberbullies and Troll sites like the Cult Forum – they Get Funding through Advertising

Which "Cult Forum" is that?

Desteni member Anna Brix Thomsen says more or less the same but that theres only been one suicide linked to activities of "the cult education forum":

The Desteni group has for years been harassed by a group of people on a website called the cult education forum whose own activities has been linked to a bullying related suicide.

We have attempted to take legal action against this website without success because the hosting service hosting the website is located in Sweden where the laws are lenient towards internet content, explicitly boasting itself on providing ‘freedom of speech’ for it’s users. On the hosting service website, the company markets itself...

If Desteni has information about these alleged suicides, which may or may not be of ex-members of Desteni, and that they are linked to bullying on a forum - then they should publish it - but first they need to get their facts right.

The hosting service for both the domains of the Rick Ross site and the Cult Education Forum is in the United States. That information is public and can be viewed at and The host for is in Slovakia but it was previously in Sweden with the hosting service, which Anna Brix Thomsen calls "a safe haven for abusers". Again anyone can check this - it is public information. A Domain History search for at shows that the host name server from Sept 2011 – Dec 2012 was

The fact that the hosting service website for was was discussed in posts to this forum beginning Nov 5, 2011:,62042,page=104

An alleged Desteni-related suicide was noted at this forum in March this year -,62042,page=106

August 12, 2013 02:41AM
The Anticult

Date Added: 03/17/2006
Posts: 4558
Bernard Poolman admitting in writing suicides, Anna Brix Thomsen

So is Bernard Poolman admitting in writing, that there has been a suicide (or suicides) of Desteni members?

So the Desteni group is trying to blame others for any suicides from members of Desteni?

How many suicides of members of Desteni have there been?
Is there a pattern of suicides for some members of Desteni?

If so, of course the public needs to be notified of those facts.

Do the 'brainwashing techniques' used by Desteni, destabilize the psyches of some people, and lead to suicide?

August 12, 2013 05:12AM

Date Added: 06/12/2008
Posts: 295
Desteni, Bernard Poolman dead

My Dad, The Devil
by Cerise Poolman

Bernard Poolman passed away in the early hours of Sunday morning, 11 August 2013 (SA time). His heart stopped beating.

See more at:

August 13, 2013 11:46AM
The Anticult

Date Added: 03/17/2006
Posts: 4558
Re: Desteni, Bernard Poolman dead

If anyone sees an obituary from a non-Desteni source, please post the link.

It looks like the family wants to continue the Desteni family business, it remains to be seen who will take over.

August 13, 2013 06:44PM

Date Added: 06/19/2002
Posts: 4931
Re: Desteni

If someone dies and leaves a large and complex estate, it is most unusual for the heirs to agree.

August 16, 2013 03:14PM

Date Added: 06/12/2012
Posts: 11
Re: Desteni

Ok here's more lnks

They just keep changing names and all are GIN and Desteni members!/corrie.elieff?fref=ts

Re: Desteni
Posted by: RiverD ()
Date: March 04, 2014 06:08AM

Hey everybody.

This thread has been dormant for a little while, but I'm hoping some people are still around and interested in Desteni.

I've been watching the group for a long time, but got particularly interested following the death of Bernard Poolman—I was curious about how Desteni would react, after losing their head.

As far as I can tell, they're operating in a holding pattern. They haven't collapsed in on themselves, but they haven't moved forward with anything new.

Looks like Esteni has stepped in after Bernard's death—all my attempts at communication with the group have been handled by her or Sunette.

They're still shilling DIP, and Cameron Cope is still pushing TechnoTutor in the US, now via this site: []

Not sure if the group is evolving, or just withering away, but I'd love to speak to anyone who has had first-hand experience with the group.

Feel free to email me, if you're more comfortable with that.

Re: Desteni
Posted by: Jane B ()
Date: September 12, 2014 02:38AM


I recently found this thread and am still interested to know what is happening with this group as I am still learning about the group and the web that it weaves.

I can tell you that they are still evolving because a friend of mine was recently introduced to them in the Vancouver, BC area,and very quickly joined them .

Avery Williams sold Techno Tutor distribution rights to the tune of USD $24,000 to a friend of mine. Within a month of meeting him, my friend was completely convinced of the product without having even seen it, and came up with the money to buy distribution rights. Now he plans to sell individual licenses for in his territory $5,000.

My friend is a very intelligent man, and joined GIN to improve himself and to become more succesful when along came Avery. Avery Williams trolls the GIN meetings to lure vulnerable people to join his MLM scheme and desteni. The irony is that it looks like he has ripped so many people off that when they meet him he appears to actually be successful.

It's hard to believe that in this day and age people can still be swindled into this group and out of their money, when there is ten times more negative information on the internet, then there is positive. This probably has to do with the "brainwashing" program, DIP, but I'm not sure.

I'll reiterate the order of things for anyone new to the forum and looking for information. One of the ways people get involved:

Your Wish Is My Command audio book (Kevin Trudeau)
GIN (GLobal Information Network)
Avery Williams/Vanlentin Rozman/Cameron Cope troll GIN meetings
Introduce Techno Tutor, which is the same as Perfect Mind Tutoring, Mind Technology, PowerEducation which soon leads them to the Desteni cult and DIP (Bernard Poolman & Sunette Spies) which leads to Equal Life Foundation/Equal Money/Life Income Guarantee/Basic Income Guarantee

Re: Desteni
Posted by: vizix ()
Date: February 13, 2023 05:22AM

Hi all,

In 2010(when the worldcup football was there) I have been on the desteni farm for a year. I met both Bernard and Sunette(susan) and other desteni members. 1,5 years later I left. The reason for me not posting on this forum is that I didn't trust much of anything anymore and also other difficulties.

I want to firstly thank the contributions by many to this thread as it has helped me as well now, much later to put things together.

from what I can gather from the things I have been looking into is this:

-1995:ferdi poolman's 4 blind mice studio is created in sa
-2000: World Read, wake-up-genius education, power education sold that software with a different pitch. All these companies are in the name of Bernard Poolman.
Apparently then already convincing parents to buy the software that was worth around 30 dollars for 1000+
-readers are leaders: i don't know everything about this but it has nothing to do I think with desteni or TT

desteni itself I have written a lot about on my blog, but i couldn't substantiate much from the years 2012 to maybe 2018 or so. So they are gone. Since I got wind of what was going on within TT that combined some NLP stuff with desteni stuff and other pseudoscience garbage I have been diving into this again.

desteni is a cult that ticks all the boxes. basically talking you into needing the desteniprocess as the only solution as life apparently has to be birthed from the physical. Working towards some unattainable vague end goal of the living word as life in the flesh. Just typing stuff like that gives me convulsions.

All this genius saving the worlds kinda idea's was already in the pipes in 2000 maybe even before.

edit*: just the short version of desteni

-Desteni creates an inferiority complex by suggesting self is corrupt

-suggests self can be transcended into self-perfected/god. Then an endless process starts that you submit to from the belief that you can become god.

-From all the words god > any other word. And the process is to become the living word. This is the purification/self perfection process in simple terms.

Anyway, thanks.


set of posts with relevant information to know and some of my own way of explaining desteni programming:

Edited 6 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2023 05:40AM by vizix.

Re: Desteni
Posted by: vizix ()
Date: February 14, 2023 12:43PM

Solution oriented post

I gathered some ways for handling someone in a cult/sect/coercive toxic relationship.

-My own advice that I have given is: talk to the person without challenging their beliefs or ideas. Create communication and keep that line open.

-Voluntary psychotherapy
-professional help

-Not any business or coaching instance.

that is it for now. I am working on this...

Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/2023 01:08PM by vizix.

Re: Desteni
Posted by: vizix ()
Date: February 14, 2023 09:56PM


-My own advice that I have given is: talk to the person without challenging their beliefs or ideas. Create communication and keep that line open.

And for a lot of situations it isn't even possible to have any normal conversations. Then state that don't agree and stop participation.

Re: Desteni
Posted by: vizix ()
Date: February 14, 2023 10:29PM

Cult conversation

this video is Spanish but imo a very clear outlining of how cults work why this is so and the reasons why people join a cult. There are subtitles in English so i recommend this if you want to know more about it.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/2023 10:31PM by vizix.

Re: Desteni
Posted by: vizix ()
Date: February 15, 2023 02:33PM

I don't know if anyone asked any of the technolooters de question: why do we need geniuses to save the world?

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/15/2023 02:34PM by vizix.

Re: Desteni
Posted by: vizix ()
Date: February 15, 2023 08:45PM

Re: Desteni
Posted by: vizix ()
Date: February 16, 2023 06:13AM

Dear mister C

imo In any job you can be honorable and happy including MC Donald's. Even that A-hole mister B knew that...

and besides, working towards some genius generation is ignoring billions of hardworking fine people that are apparently not good enough? The solution is to create different people?

Or flash them into some Q-bab?

My heart sinks telling you this: education is already quite developed, you know peer review, proven results, science. If it wasn't already glaringly obvious: you get those credentials and tests and independent reviews before you set a price to a product.

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