Basic Income Guarantee, Equal Life Foundation, Desteni
Posted by:
Sandman
()
Date: July 07, 2013 06:52PM
The Desteni members are promoting the Basic Income in their blogs. Bernard Poolman's blog has several posts tagged "basic income": http://creationsjourneytolife.blogspot.com/search/label/basic%20income
The Basic Income Guarantee or Grant is a world-wide campaign for a form of social security which has been around for a while... The U.S. Basic Income Guarantee Network was founded in 1999...
http://www.usbig.net/whatisbig.php
It is "an income unconditionally granted to all on an individual basis, without means test or work requirement". The official website of the Basic Income Earth Network is [basicincome.org]
But the Desteni group are not promoting the real Basic Income Guarantee campaign and do not give links to any of the official BIG websites. What they are referring to is a "Basic Income Guaranteed" which they say is an initiative of their Equal Life Foundation.
They have a Facebook page for it [www.facebook.com] and their own website [basicincome.me] where they ask for donations: [basicincome.me]
In my estimation this is the most outrageous scam ever attempted by the Desteni group thus far. The Desteni Equal Life Foundation is trying to hijack the term Basic Income by using it in a very misleading way. They are misrepresenting a campaign run by other people by trying to make it seem as if it is their own. People who wish to support the real BIG campaign could end up donating money to the Desteni Equal Life Foundation instead.
The webmaster of the Dutch association of Basic Income has written an article about this new Desteni scam:
You can also abuse the term Basic Income for personal gain by #EMS #ELF #desteni
http://orthelius.info/blog/Index.php/you-can-also-abuse-the-term-basic-income-for-personal-gain-by-ems-elf-destini
All of this should be reported to the real Basic Income Earth Network http://basicincome.org/bien/contact.html
The Basic Income Guarantee or Grant is a world-wide campaign for a form of social security which has been around for a while... The U.S. Basic Income Guarantee Network was founded in 1999...
http://www.usbig.net/whatisbig.php
It is "an income unconditionally granted to all on an individual basis, without means test or work requirement". The official website of the Basic Income Earth Network is [basicincome.org]
But the Desteni group are not promoting the real Basic Income Guarantee campaign and do not give links to any of the official BIG websites. What they are referring to is a "Basic Income Guaranteed" which they say is an initiative of their Equal Life Foundation.
They have a Facebook page for it [www.facebook.com] and their own website [basicincome.me] where they ask for donations: [basicincome.me]
In my estimation this is the most outrageous scam ever attempted by the Desteni group thus far. The Desteni Equal Life Foundation is trying to hijack the term Basic Income by using it in a very misleading way. They are misrepresenting a campaign run by other people by trying to make it seem as if it is their own. People who wish to support the real BIG campaign could end up donating money to the Desteni Equal Life Foundation instead.
The webmaster of the Dutch association of Basic Income has written an article about this new Desteni scam:
You can also abuse the term Basic Income for personal gain by #EMS #ELF #desteni
http://orthelius.info/blog/Index.php/you-can-also-abuse-the-term-basic-income-for-personal-gain-by-ems-elf-destini
All of this should be reported to the real Basic Income Earth Network http://basicincome.org/bien/contact.html
Re: Desteni
Posted by:
rrmoderator
()
Date: August 02, 2013 07:55PM
See [www.cultnews.com]
The Rick A. Ross Institute for the Study of Destructive Cults, Controversial Groups, and Movements has officially changed its name to The Cult Education Institute for the Study of Destructive Cults, Controversial Groups and Movements.
The new domain name entry point and gateway to the Internet archives of the institute will soon be culteducation.com.
The Cult Education Institute archives is a library of information about destructive cults, controversial groups and movements, which was initially launched in 1996 and has continued to be under construction and expansion for the past 17 years.
The public message board attached to the The Cult Education Institute will soon only be accessible through the domain name culteducation.com. More than 100,000 entries from the former members of destructive cults, controversial groups and movements and others concerned has accumulated at the board over the past decade. The message board content continues to grow daily and it serves as a free speech zone for those who wish to share their insights and concerns about the topics listed.
The Rick A. Ross Institute for the Study of Destructive Cults, Controversial Groups, and Movements has officially changed its name to The Cult Education Institute for the Study of Destructive Cults, Controversial Groups and Movements.
The new domain name entry point and gateway to the Internet archives of the institute will soon be culteducation.com.
The Cult Education Institute archives is a library of information about destructive cults, controversial groups and movements, which was initially launched in 1996 and has continued to be under construction and expansion for the past 17 years.
The public message board attached to the The Cult Education Institute will soon only be accessible through the domain name culteducation.com. More than 100,000 entries from the former members of destructive cults, controversial groups and movements and others concerned has accumulated at the board over the past decade. The message board content continues to grow daily and it serves as a free speech zone for those who wish to share their insights and concerns about the topics listed.
Desteni ex-member, suicide, Bernard Poolman, Anna Brix Thomsen
Posted by:
Sandman
()
Date: August 12, 2013 06:37AM
This is a quote from Bernard Poolman, Aug 7 2013 :
[creationsjourneytolife.blogspot.com]
Which "Cult Forum" is that?
Desteni member Anna Brix Thomsen says more or less the same but that theres only been one suicide linked to activities of "the cult education forum":
[teachersjourneytolife.blogspot.com]
If Desteni has information about these alleged suicides, which may or may not be of ex-members of Desteni, and that they are linked to bullying on a forum - then they should publish it - but first they need to get their facts right.
The hosting service for both the domains of the Rick Ross site and the Cult Education Forum is in the United States. That information is public and can be viewed at [sitesentral.com] and [sitesentral.com]. The host for Desteni.org is in Slovakia but it was previously in Sweden with the hosting service prq.se, which Anna Brix Thomsen calls "a safe haven for abusers". Again anyone can check this - it is public information. A Domain History search for desteni.org at [whoisrequest.org] shows that the host name server from Sept 2011 – Dec 2012 was prq.se.
The fact that the hosting service website for desteni.org was prq.se was discussed in posts to this forum beginning Nov 5, 2011: [forum.culteducation.com]
An alleged Desteni-related suicide was noted at this forum in March this year - [forum.culteducation.com]
Quote
Some of the Cyber-Trolls that Attack Desteni have Also been Linked to Suicides of people like for instance the Cult Forum and although We have Done everything Possible to take action, they’re Hidden in Internet Service Providers that Protect ‘Free Choice’ therefore, Protect Abuse.
...
But at the same time have a Look, Internet Sites like Ask.fm which are Extremely Abusive are Allowed to Exist and Who makes it Possible but the Corporations and the Advertisers, and the same with Cyberbullies and Troll sites like the Cult Forum – they Get Funding through Advertising
[creationsjourneytolife.blogspot.com]
Which "Cult Forum" is that?
Desteni member Anna Brix Thomsen says more or less the same but that theres only been one suicide linked to activities of "the cult education forum":
Quote
The Desteni group has for years been harassed by a group of people on a website called the cult education forum whose own activities has been linked to a bullying related suicide.
We have attempted to take legal action against this website without success because the hosting service hosting the website is located in Sweden where the laws are lenient towards internet content, explicitly boasting itself on providing ‘freedom of speech’ for it’s users. On the hosting service website prq.se, the company markets itself...
[teachersjourneytolife.blogspot.com]
If Desteni has information about these alleged suicides, which may or may not be of ex-members of Desteni, and that they are linked to bullying on a forum - then they should publish it - but first they need to get their facts right.
The hosting service for both the domains of the Rick Ross site and the Cult Education Forum is in the United States. That information is public and can be viewed at [sitesentral.com] and [sitesentral.com]. The host for Desteni.org is in Slovakia but it was previously in Sweden with the hosting service prq.se, which Anna Brix Thomsen calls "a safe haven for abusers". Again anyone can check this - it is public information. A Domain History search for desteni.org at [whoisrequest.org] shows that the host name server from Sept 2011 – Dec 2012 was prq.se.
The fact that the hosting service website for desteni.org was prq.se was discussed in posts to this forum beginning Nov 5, 2011: [forum.culteducation.com]
An alleged Desteni-related suicide was noted at this forum in March this year - [forum.culteducation.com]
Bernard Poolman admitting in writing suicides, Anna Brix Thomsen
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: August 12, 2013 02:41PM
So is Bernard Poolman admitting in writing, that there has been a suicide (or suicides) of Desteni members?
So the Desteni group is trying to blame others for any suicides from members of Desteni?
How many suicides of members of Desteni have there been?
Is there a pattern of suicides for some members of Desteni?
If so, of course the public needs to be notified of those facts.
Do the 'brainwashing techniques' used by Desteni, destabilize the psyches of some people, and lead to suicide?
So the Desteni group is trying to blame others for any suicides from members of Desteni?
How many suicides of members of Desteni have there been?
Is there a pattern of suicides for some members of Desteni?
If so, of course the public needs to be notified of those facts.
Do the 'brainwashing techniques' used by Desteni, destabilize the psyches of some people, and lead to suicide?
Desteni, Bernard Poolman dead
Posted by:
Sandman
()
Date: August 12, 2013 05:12PM
Quote
My Dad, The Devil
by Cerise Poolman
Bernard Poolman passed away in the early hours of Sunday morning, 11 August 2013 (SA time). His heart stopped beating.
See more at:
[creationsjourneytolife.blogspot.com]
Re: Desteni, Bernard Poolman dead
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: August 13, 2013 11:46PM
If anyone sees an obituary from a non-Desteni source, please post the link.
It looks like the family wants to continue the Desteni family business, it remains to be seen who will take over.
It looks like the family wants to continue the Desteni family business, it remains to be seen who will take over.
Re: Desteni
Posted by:
corboy
()
Date: August 14, 2013 06:44AM
If someone dies and leaves a large and complex estate, it is most unusual for the heirs to agree.
Re: Desteni
Posted by:
exposethelies
()
Date: August 17, 2013 03:14AM
Ok here's more lnks
They just keep changing names and all are GIN and Desteni members
[zeekatutor.wix.com]
[www.facebook.com]
[www.facebook.com]
[www.facebook.com]
They just keep changing names and all are GIN and Desteni members
[zeekatutor.wix.com]
[www.facebook.com]
[www.facebook.com]
[www.facebook.com]
Re: Desteni
Posted by:
The Anticult
()
Date: September 07, 2013 03:54AM
Retrieving posts from Internet Archive and Google/Bing cache
[forum.culteducation.com]
That shows how to get the threads back, if they are stored on Google. Post that link around the forum, in case people want to get their thread back.
For this thread, for example. Remember to press the little CACHED arrow, which is beside the link
Desteni page=106 site:forum.culteducation.com
Desteni page=110 site:forum.culteducation.com
Desteni page=120 site:forum.culteducation.com
Desteni page=129 site:forum.culteducation.com
[forum.culteducation.com]
That shows how to get the threads back, if they are stored on Google. Post that link around the forum, in case people want to get their thread back.
For this thread, for example. Remember to press the little CACHED arrow, which is beside the link
Desteni page=106 site:forum.culteducation.com
Desteni page=110 site:forum.culteducation.com
Desteni page=120 site:forum.culteducation.com
Desteni page=129 site:forum.culteducation.com
Re: Desteni
Posted by:
Sandman
()
Date: September 11, 2013 05:36AM
Thanks, Anticult, for the info on tracking down the lost forum pages. I've managed to retrieve pages 106-129, so that's only two pages missing. Will upload some of the posts later on.
Meanwhile here's a link to an article which readers of this thread may find of interest. It discusses Desteni on Quora.com:
How Social Media Fuels Crazy Cults
[www.kernelmag.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/11/2013 05:37AM by Sandman.
Meanwhile here's a link to an article which readers of this thread may find of interest. It discusses Desteni on Quora.com:
How Social Media Fuels Crazy Cults
[www.kernelmag.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/11/2013 05:37AM by Sandman.
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