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KlausHoefler
Hi
Hi.
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here is a lot of fight against something but my first question is do somebody know how life is really work?
Do you know how life works? Please explain.
If I wanted to know how life works I would probably start with a course in biology not some weird group that believes in channeling dubious characters such as Hitler to gain
wisdom about it.
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Did somebody make research of himself?
Sure. People do it all the time. There are simple direct ways of observing one self directly such as CBT, journaling and simple and short awareness meditations that are easily learned by oneself without the need of a leader to teach one about them and then there are obtuse, contorted ways to research yourself through the lens of some leader or odd belief - such as Desteni and other cults.
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Do somebody know how emotions & feelings work?
To some degree this is known by a lot of people. I start with diet and look at thoughts. This is not an absolute statement of how they work but a personal practice.
Do you know how they work?
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Do somebody know how the brain/mind/consciousness work?
Take a look at neuroscience and psychology. There are peer reviewed studies being done in this area all the time. Where the knowledge is falsifiable and not believed to be received, unquestioned knowledge through a "portal".
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Do somebody know what happens after "life"?
Do you know what happens after life? if you think you do can you prove it?
I would personally say that I am dead. Which is called death. So, death happens after life.
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Do somebody know who decides what is good or bad?
Sure, there are thousands of ethical, moral and religious views and commonly held ideas about what is good and bad.
Ultimately it is a personal and subjective decision about what is good and bad. But, there are certain things that most human beings agree nearly unanimously about which can be classed as good or bad.
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Do somebody know why you meet tommorow execlty this person who you meet?
Yes. If i plan for the future I know who I will meet the next day. This question is nonsense.
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Do somebody know how we create what we are now?
Do you? Please explain in detail.
I tend to think that my decisions, what I eat, what I think, the quality and quantity of information I learn and how I use it and the events of the past that I experienced, etc.. created who I am now. But really I could just say I am what I am now.
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Do somebody know what you do with your assessment/opinions?
Sure I look at them and decide whether they are accurate or useful to my well being and the well being of those around me and whether they make sense via the observation of others and if they are not I discard them.
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For me is the most brainwashed man the fakename "anitcult" neither good nor bad - in my eyes just a fact.
And the other ones had in the beginning a own stand but slowly they follow also the anitcult.
So your opinion is now fact? I personally tend to trust his observations about your group and many others. Your observations and opinions, however, are dubious as they are obviously influenced by Desteni and your leader. Besides that is incredibly tacky and impolite to attack a respected member of a community that you have just now become a part of.
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I want also go into politcs because I stand for an equal money system. Our current money system isnt work for the benefit of all, so we need a change. Also other laws must be changed. Currently we live in a nightmare. Nobody make research about the life - One say something or make a law about and the others beLIEf or they fight against them.
But had battle ever led to peace?
If somebody understood how the life work then he would understand why our world situation so is how it is.
Your motives seem to be good but the means you think that they will be achieved are not ones I would subscribe to.
So, do you understand how life works? How will your means of achieving your ideals work? How are they better than those that have been tried in the past?
Please explain.
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From my research are all life equal & one whether Hitler, Bush, Maria Theresia, Ghandi, Buddha, Animals, Stones, Plants, you & me ....., means if we let go all assessments between good & evil, all analytics, all thoughts, all feeings & emotions then we come to a point were we see our basics. The Basic is Equality. In this point we can see really whats going on here - before this point we see just our assessment because each one see with his own eyes and the assessment is in each mind. The thing is that assessing & analytics comes up from alone, automaticly like a programm, we can say in some moments we haven´t the controll about this. Why is this so? That is primary that what we got form the education in our childhood and this is manifested in us as a programm. And thats the point, if we are adults we can not exectly remember about this and so we belief our own assessing/thoughts/emotions/feelings what we have learned in the childhood - and learning is just belief in other because as a child you dont know it. So to speak we live in our own little world. Only when we let it go all beliefs in us than we can see that all life is equal. a simple example - you must belief your mother when she say she is your mother, you don´t know it. And thats we call Reality. Make sense, or?
Can you prove that all things living are equal? We make assessments on the quality of the lives of those who have passed so that we can avoid the mistakes of the past and to have a higher quality of life for ourselves, our families and our society in general. Even mathematically all things are not equal. For example: 9 is greater than 2.
It seems to me you are creating a little world for yourself based on the teachings of one man - Bernard Poolman.
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WHY ONENESS ?
If somebody know quantum physics (but everybody can see this in every moment, too - life-awarness ) they already know about a unified consciousness field. So we all are in connction. So we all responsible for all what exist here on earth. What they do not know is why this unified consciosness field exist.
I also don´t know it exactly but Desteni give a option from a other perspective.
I know there is no gracious god because look around the world. But I had a out of body expirience so I know what sunett or bernad do is possible.
And also I had a sensitivity to feel other beings like frequences.
About Desteni - if you look through the videos you will see that Desteni never said you must or you should belief in this stuff.
The message is more be SELF-HONEST, take SELF-RESPONSIBILITY, use SELF-FORGIVENESS for your beLIEfes and BREATH through your programs/patterns/systems - don´t belief in Desteni or others or in the mind or feeling or emotions because thats all are systems/programs - participate in them an investigate it (take a look inside you when you are emotional about some themes and you will see the automatic systems, like a computer - simple).
We talk also about that man have to learn stand stable alone and we don´t assess you how you are, we support us mutual with our expirience by the process of life, unconditionally in our own self-expression weither you heared from desteni or not or you are a bank director ....... equally.
With the understanding of EQUAL & ONE we give us SELF-DIREKTION that our doing get effecitve expression for the benefit of all what exist.
The mostly time we are in our head, means we are not in the body. If we are in the mind we are either in the past/expiriences or we create some new for the future but we dont standing here in the physical, completly. To act now, we don´t need thoughts, we have just to do spontaneously
Human belief he is the god/creator - test your selfhonesty be just your breath and stop your mind/thoughts! Try it and look how long you are the creator. Then you will see that you are enslavement from yourself.
With the whole doing by self-interest man lost his COMMON SENCE.
We all are equal and we all have the same process to do - sooner or later everybody will see that we have a lot of things to do in our selfs and in the world for a dignified life for all and assessing what others do isnt supporting. We are searching for solutions and if you want support the world than support in finding solutions what is really good for all/everything/everybody.
So ENJOY your way
Klaus
I am not going to waste my time picking a part this gobbledly gook of a cobbled together belief system that you have presented here. I know from the start that any one who claims to understand or use the term quantum physics from the beginning of a statement used to justify some spiritual point of view and is not a physicist ( and even some misguided physicists as well) is probably selling me some kind of bullshit. Richard Feynman ( a famous physicist once said in his messenger lectures on the physical laws that any one who says they " understand" quantum physics probably does not understand it.)
I am quite happy not buying into Desteni and your weird views about how to achieve equality and peace via the Poolman mind control method - thank you very much.
So, I will enjoy my way and be happy to know that I have avoided falling into one less cult.
Oh, also, your little, not so clever use of capitalization of the word lie in the word belief is not working to change my mind about the cult that you are a part of.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 04/29/2010 07:02AM by wc.