Search on Bing too, as they have different pages cached.

Search on Bing, then pressed cached link. Page 105 is in the Bing cache.

Desteni page 105 forum.culteducation.com

Desteni page 104 forum.culteducation.com



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Okay, I found page 105 on Bing but not 104.

Before I start posting the missing pages, just for the record I'd like to point out something else in relation to Desteni.

A Desteni member called Eleonora Gozzini has recently made two blog posts in which she denies the Holocaust:

Day 353: The Holohoax, Iran and an Inconvenient friend
[eleonoragozzini.wordpress.com]

Day 355: What is the Holo-Cost up to date?
[eleonoragozzini.wordpress.com]

Also posted at: [forum.desteni.org]

Eleonora Gozzini has another blog at
[adirectorjourneystolife.blogspot.com]

and in her post
Day 348: Bernard Poolman Died so that All May Live
[adirectorjourneystolife.blogspot.com]

she says that she has been with Desteni for three years and had been living on the Desteni farm for a month before Bernard Poolman died (which occurred with little explanation last month).

Therefore, it seems very likely that it is not just her opinion but that Holocaust denial is in fact a standard part of the Desteni group ideology as defined by Poolman.

Here is page 105 of the pages that were lost from this thread since the domain name was changed. Some links might be out of date.

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October 01, 2011 06:48AM
WisdomFound
Date Added: 09/22/2011
Posts: 3
Re: Desteni

I would say, the reason I kept going back to Desteni was because I felt, besides all the supposed portasailing, excuse me, portal ning, and besides telling people that they had to be bald, to be "free", that there was something inherently good about their word. Speaking out for true equality, where we can express ourselves without fear of judgement, is certainly a step in right direction, its only a matter of will, and to a certain degree, I do believe we have the ability to choose between good and evil.

I did not mean to come in here and speak out against Desteni and make them seem evil, if that is how it seemed, please forgive me.

Thanks,
Wisdom


October 01, 2011 10:23AM
corboy
Date Added: 06/19/2002
Posts: 4907
Re: Desteni

Wisdom Found wrote

Quote:
I do believe we have the ability to choose between good and evil.

It is not as simple as that. Often a situation is rarely presented in such a way that a newcomer can see a clear difference between 'good' and 'evil'.

Too often, something that turns out to to be exploitative starts out with good intentions, and the leader become corrupted by the leadership role.

and very often, persons are recruited and *not told* clearly and up front exactly what the project's actual dogma is.

Without being given complete information at the very start about the history of the project, its actual belief system/ideology and its actual treatment of persons have committed themselves and gone to live on their farm, a potential recruit doesnt have a clear choice between good and evil.

And in social sitautions that are isolated, one can lose access to ones adult capacity to make willed choice. At the beginning the persons in this experiment were told they were free to leave at any time.

But as they become more and more involved in their assigned roles of guards and prisoners, they forgot they were free to leave.

Persons following Destini closely also posted this. Persons from these kinds of backgrounds will have difficulty making willed clear discernment between good and evil--difficult to appreciate if one is still just in ones' early twenties.


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[[url=http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,62042,98459#msg-98459]forum.culteducation.com[/url]]

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The Desteni cult targets naive, disillusioned New Agers looking for something less airy-fairy or less capitalistic than the New Age Movement, but it is also aimed at and attracts individuals with mental health problems, a history of criminal activity and/or maladjusted or alienated people confused about basic social, sexual or psychological issues.

There are numerous examples of this at the Desteni forum. Here are a few:

This one says they were psychotic, suffer from adrenaline burnout, had a nervous breakdown etc:

Hi everybody & some help needed
[[url=http://desteni.co.za/n/destonian-forum-goes-exclusive-portal-re-opens?f=92&t=20087]desteni.co.za[/url]]

Another is into child porn and is confused about it:

Sharing addiction experience on children pornography?

[[url=http://desteni.co.za/n/destonian-forum-goes-exclusive-portal-re-opens?f=151&t=19891]desteni.co.za[/url]]

NiklasNydahl says he was addicted to extreme violent porn and got cured of it through Desteni:

Stopping Porn for World Equality
[[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWdogfp21xQ&hd=1]www.youtube.com[/url]]

Hi! Im Malin
[[url=http://desteni.co.za/n/destonian-forum-goes-exclusive-portal-re-opens?f=92&t=20470]desteni.co.za[/url]]

describes how Malin was physically and mentally abused by her father who also raped her sister.

Anthony Wilson talks about how he was addicted to 'heroin and marijuana/hashish though I have seriously toxicated myself with cocaine crack cocaine ecstasy amphetamine barbiturates and other pharmaceutical depressants glue/solvents and opiate substitutes over more than 30 years':

[[url=http://desteni.co.za/n/destonian-forum-goes-exclusive-portal-re-opens?f=80&t=19376]desteni.co.za[/url]]

Marley Dawkins was into gang crime:

My Gang Experiences
[[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUk2q7rl8ew&hd=1]www.youtube.com[/url]]


Obviously not all Desteni members are from these kinds of backgrounds, but it is surprising how often posts like these end up on their forum. The standard response is just to encourage them to keep reading the material, sign up for the courses, to v-log and blog etc.


---

This was learned in the Stanford Prison Experiment.

[[url=http://www.google.com/search?q=stanford+prison+experiment&hl=en&source=hp&ie=ISO-8859-1&btnG=Search]www.google.com[/url]]



October 01, 2011 10:28AM
corboy
Date Added: 06/19/2002
Posts: 4907
Re: Desteni

An earlier discussion page on Destini worth re-reading



[http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,62042,page=88]


October 01, 2011 10:33AM
Natasha
Date Added: 08/21/2011
Posts: 16
Re: Desteni

Isn't the most obviously fake thing about Desteni, the 'Portal' ? doesn't this really cast doubt on anything else they say, and why they say it ?


October 01, 2011 11:11AM
corboy
Date Added: 06/19/2002
Posts: 4907
Re: Desteni

An interesting discussion here on another venue

A couple of entries at the very beginning. The whole thread goes on for considerable length

[[url=http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message514079/pg8]www.godlikeproductions.com[/url]]

Interesting observation here at the very beginning

Quote:
Re: Whois Desteni - Is She A Crystal Child?
These videos if you watch them long enough as I have for a few days completely talk in circles and if you were to totally follow them for a long enough period of time they would make you totally insane.

Good is bad but yet bad is good...dark is light and light is dark....they are not self serving but charge craploads of money for their sessions which to me is self serving..

We are all one but yet be one in yourself....be complete as one and on and on and on.

The videos totally contradict themselves many times say there is no heaven but yet there is a heaven...there are demons but wait there really aren't demons anymore but then demons come and talk? Demons giving advice? Angels are bad and demons are good. There isn't a god but yet there is a god sometimes when it fits her video at that present time?? Anu created us but yet we create us and our reality...well which the hell is it??? lmao!

I am sad to say I followed for a bit...curiosity..it was amazing the acting abilities this girl has if anything..but the messages kept getting more reversed and crazy and glad I found some good insight from others here on this forum.

These people have thousands following them..charging $1200 per session if you really want to get into their whole save the world and humanity team. But yet they are all for equality and against the super wealthy people of the world?? Come on...another get rich with religion scheme!

Quote:
Re: Whois Desteni - Is She A Crystal Child?
Quote

I've seen a few of her vids now and my impressions are that her heart is mostly in what most of us would call the right place. I tend not to believe that she can channel anything other than imagination, preconceive ideas and learned protocal. I think it takes a little more than a deep breath with eyes closed to change brain states. When I look at her I see a hypnotised child living out programing-yet far from all bad.

I do not believe her heart or anyone who has helped her create this..this belief hearts are in the right place.

I believe they know exactly what they are doing and know the goal where they want this to take them. Power, money, greed, dominance (same as power basically) dictatorship etc is what runs their hearts and their minds.

Answer me this. If this Anu character really was enjoying his creation of this existence..and he was that intelligent to create all of this....why would he also create intelligent beings who would eventually try to defy him and then supposedly suceed in taking him down?

This would make a totally cool comic book story! But sad to say it is involving innocent people who are looking for direction and something to believe in. She is separating people from their loved ones and worst of all from themselves...their own minds.

Speaking of minds. If our minds were soo bad....wasn't it all in someones mind to start this whole thing? All of this entire load of crap is one big contradiction after another.
We as grown adults can see this..but our kids..younger adults who are wanting to fit in and find their place in this world are being sucked in....and that is wrong.

Quote:
Re: Whois Desteni - Is She A Crystal Child?
Ok one more point....this is an excerpt quoted exactly from a message from their site...please let us view the following paragraph(s)directly from the site itself:

Quote:
Several people will have a reaction of ´fear´ towards Desteni - as Desteni stands for Equality of Life and the End of all systems of abuse and of separation.
Thus in fact this ´fear´ is fear of Self as who we all really are. Within this is `fear of losing´ that which self has defined self by and as.
Because if you look at it, all systems of the world exist within and as self, including self-abuse, self-dishonesty, self-deception, manipulation and dishonor of Life.
Thus some will `prefer´ to `hold onto´ their beliefs and self-definitions; And specifically those that are having a life perceived to be ´easy´ and `working´, Equality of Life as who we all really are will often be feared because it will be perceived as a threat to their `belongings´, their `special treats´ and all that which self has identified with.

Thus in fact this fear is ´fear of death´ -death of what self has defined self by and as- thus in essence it is ´fear of Life´ as who we all really are.

Ok....so if you notice this is all about the people who so called "fear them" Pay attention about three fourths into it where it says "specifically those that are having a life perceived to be easy and working" So basically what they are saying is that they are praying on the weak, the ones who don't have life easy or their lives are working. This is just another way cults operate. They do go after people's weaknesses. And sooooo many contradictions just in those few words alone shows just how wishy washy their belief system is

I don't mind people believing what they want to believe. But I do feel this is so very cult-like and that concerns me. It will be interesting to see where this all leads and if this "group" grows and gains a lot of followers. I hope not...but we shall see.
Ok I am done with my rant. Thanks for reading me.




October 01, 2011 09:06PM
concernedmom83
Date Added: 02/23/2011
Posts: 80
Re: Desteni

Thanks Corboy and Natasha

I see that there is a real concern here:

I was immersed in the shit for awhile and used their forum. I see it for what it is now, I stopped because of the satanic forces (that I am now aware of) that are at work, because the material is inherently occultish. I didn't want to be a skinhead zombie.

Then:
I would say, the reason I kept going back to Desteni was because I felt, besides all the supposed portasailing, excuse me, portal ning, and besides telling people that they had to be bald, to be "free", that there was something inherently good about their word. Speaking out for true equality, where we can express ourselves without fear of judgement, is certainly a step in right direction, its only a matter of will, and to a certain degree, I do believe we have the ability to choose between good and evil.

I did not mean to come in here and speak out against Desteni and make them seem evil, if that is how it seemed, please forgive me.

Thanks,
Wisdom

I don't know how to take these two posts. I personally find it very disturbing. Can you explain
the 360 on your feelings toward the desteni cult? Maybe I've read this wrong, forgive me if I have. You seemed to want to help out with ? we had about the desteni cult.


October 02, 2011 09:59AM
corboy
Date Added: 06/19/2002
Posts: 4907
Re: Desteni

Posted in 2008 on another website

Here is a interesting post from godlike productions about Destini. I am ignoring the critiques based on Destini being a malign astral form as I dont think and make decisions using such material My preferred line of approach is sociological and psychological, so those are the posts I select.

[[url=http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message514079/pg4]www.godlikeproductions.com[/url]]

Quote:
Re: Whois Desteni - Is She A Crystal Child?
People in that site are so pathetic.

Someone asked here “what do you know about Desteni, Poolman or any other of the members to attack them?” and I ask them “what do THEY know about the people that created a site one year ago and since then they have been posting and vlogging?”.

There are only ten or eleven insane psychopaths that have joined seriously that cult, the rest of us simply spend a few days reading and watching videos because we have nothing better to do. Then we get bored and we simply stop wasting our time with that.

Yes Desteni works perfectly as a cult. They do not get money out of it yet. One year is not time enough to brainwash effectively.

But look to some of that people. They say that family, society, jobs enslave us (which I absolutely agree in a way), so some of those ignorant people leave their husbands (Catherine, Marianne), leave their partners because they are “dishonest” (Darryl), quit their jobs (Herbert, Dulcinea), fly to South Africa to spend their holidays as they didn’t have anything better to do in summer (Matti, Bella), spend hours and hours because they have too much free time but do not take it seriously enough (Ingrid, Ivan), quit drugs (Andrew, Talamon), and so on.

Then there are those teenagers that have nothing better to do (Ann, Leila, Emmanuel, Marlen). Cult bait. They are simply being isolated so Desteni will be the only thing they have left.

Desteni has given a good reason to all those frustrated wives, frustrated workers and bored illiterates to change their pathetic life. They wanted to leave their husbands, jobs or friends but they were too coward to take a decision so they simply needed someone telling them “break down with the family matrix, social shit, schooling and working enslaving system”, and they did it. So sad.

They do not even care if all that is a fake. It works perfectly as an excuse for them. And this came up simply in one year. Let’s just see what will be of these people in another year time.

I can even know by the way they write that Ann, Darryl, Leila, and some more have left some pro-Desteni posts here. They all speak in the same way, empty words that sound magnificent but that mean nothing, They are so predictable and nescient that I am not surprised that people like that get involved with cults. The day Desteni stops working, they will simply look for another cult to have a sense of belonging.

This is not the first time a Bernard Poolman wants to create his own cult for nurturing his ego. It will not be the last one either.

I forgot to say that my name is Bill and I have been banned 3 times or more.
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(and another discussant wrote)

Why are all her "readings" 10 minutes long?

Just so they fit on youtube?
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Note this was written on page 4 of the thread in 2008. Things may have changed in the past 3 years.



October 02, 2011 10:11AM
corboy
Date Added: 06/19/2002
Posts: 4907
Re: Desteni

For the most recent contributions 2009 to the godlikeproductions.com thread concerning Destini, go to page 8. Then read your way backwards.

You have to deal with some posts in which people who believe in distance healing and channelling try to discuss Destini within the catagories provided by the New Age belief system.

Others come from a more mainstream, journalistic ethical approach. Such as Captain Pancakes.

[www.godlikeproductions.com]


October 02, 2011 10:16AM
corboy
Date Added: 06/19/2002
Posts: 4907
Re: Desteni

Okay, I goofed. Turns out that page 8 is at the midpoint of the Destini discussion thread on Godlike productions

What you want to reach posts that are recent is page 12.

But that thread is clearly worth reading all 12 pages of.

[[url=http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message514079/pg12]www.godlikeproductions.com[/url]]


October 06, 2011 11:11PM
concernedmom83
Date Added: 02/23/2011
Posts: 80
Re: Desteni

I guess I shouldn't be more or less horrified to go to the desteni cult fourm and read a blog
about Steve Jobs. Granted the author did start out with a few sympathetic remarks towards
the late Steve Jobs family, friends etc. Then to my horror, he went on to talk about Jobs
making billions and leaving empty handed ....HUH? Why would anyone be so insensitive as
to say, let alone think this way. Just to make the desteni cult point of equal money, which
the author seemed to wish that Jobs had joined.

How ironic! If Steve Jobs and those around him didn't invest their money and time in what they
believed would be major change in our world for the millons and millons who enjoy, work, and
invent, where would the "online desteni cult' be today???? No where! A few people in sa
wondering where their next mortgage payment was coming from. Not that it's much further than
that anyway.

So instead of taking the death of a wonderful inavative man to use as the subject in your ranting blogs,
go back to something that no one understands.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/06/2011 11:15PM by concernedmom83.

Here is page 106 of the pages that were lost from this thread since the domain name was changed. Some links might be out of date but links to this forum have been updated.

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October 07, 2011 05:38AM
Sandman
Date Added: 06/12/2008
Posts: 295
Desteni, South Africa, newspaper, Poolman

Desteni will try to cash in on any news item going, but when it comes to their own story in the press it's another matter...

The South African newspaper, Sondag published a piece on Desteni but Poolman refused to speak to them:

http://www.sondag.co.za/artikels/Nuus/LES-BES-BLES-PES-

An English translation:


"Bernard Poolman, the mysterious father figure of the Desteni cult, by some described as a phantom who refuses to face the world show.

Others say that self-confessed Hitler fan is a tough Dictator!

Very little is known about the charismatic KULTVADER apparently engaged young people worldwide heads FULL BOULE talking - but we can reveal that his "strange gospel" sermon from a farm about 20km outside Pietermaritzburg.

On Sunday last week several attempts to contact the controversial Poolman, apparently a born Namibian, get in touch - but the guy had apparently tried to evade us.

One of Poolman's "akoliete" had informed Destonians that "journalists do not trust" and therefore we will not talk.

None of the followers with whom we made contact, Poolman's number would provide to us or talk to us about the cult.

Facebook messages and emails that Poolman left, is flatly ignored.

A reporter who a few years back Poolman on his farm, said Poolman refused to take pictures of him taken.

He said: "I have half the old uncomfortable feeling. It seemed to me that if I put a foot wrong they (the Destonians) my dog started going, "said the journalist. Full report in the newspaper."


[They mean the reporter who published these articles in Rapport back in 2009:

[www.rapport.co.za]
[www.rapport.co.za]
[www.rapport.co.za]]

Two of the comments are:

"His parents well. His mother June is still alive. Does the nursing home in Okahhandja. Wonderful people."

"Bernard Poolman of Okahandja, Namibia. His parents then Poolman Motors owns."


It's dated 12 Sept, but in this video by Poolman released 6 Oct he makes some sarcastic remarks about another different newspaper article from Mar 10...

Internet Cult Exposed
[www.youtube.com]


October 08, 2011 12:09AM
concernedmom83
Date Added: 02/23/2011
Posts: 80
Re: Desteni

CALLING ALL DESTENI CULT MEMBERS!!
I have (as usual) been giving desteni cult and it's members alot of thought. I ask you members:
Do you still have contact with your family and friends? Be honest with yourself.
I have a feeling that some may not. Why is that?

Did they hassle you too much about you belonging to a cult?
Did your friends just 'give up' trying to hang aound and do the things that you'd always done?
Do you find that all your friends now consist of desteni cult members?
Do you find this odd at all, that you have nothing or limited contact with your family and your life seems to revolve around
the goings on at desteni cult?

Now why is this? Why do you think it is that in some cases your family and friends (pre-desteni cult) cannot let you
just walk away? With limited contact? Your parents and families LOVE you! Believe me when I say that. We do want
what's best for all, but not at the sake of ruining your lives on a MLM, pyramid scheme, money making cult! Do you
send money to bernard each month? Where is it going? Please ask him to come here on RR, make a video and tell us
his plan for making everyone on Earth equal? We all think it's a wonderful idea, but we are interested in how it's going
to be done...aren't you? Why don't you ask? Why all the self forgiveness, breathing (which we all have to do)? Why the
iprocess? Why PAY MONEY to take part in the iprocess? Before the info was taken off of the desteni cult forum, it was said
to cost $200.00 US dollar/month. Then there was a 'sale' of sorts and it was down to '$100.00/month. I know perfectly
well how bernard has fooled you all into believing that charities and kind giving is nonsense....but it's not! Really it isn't.

Please at least think of what I've said. All you members aren't stupid, you have to realize the numbers. How many members
are in desteni cult, paying members, destonians? Now factor that with the world, the Earth of people and there has to be
another way to accomplish your goal. Most of you have wonderful aspirations to want to help make this world a better place,
but desteni cult is definitely not the way, I'm sorry.



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October 11, 2011 02:51AM
TheHiddenMagi
Date Added: 10/09/2011
Posts: 2
Re: Desteni

There is an awful lot of information here that I have not yet had the leisure to go through, but I do want to take this opportunity to thank all who have contributed. I have been looking for some sources on this group since a young acquaintance of mine has become increasingly involved in following this group. His parents are concerned, as am I. I couldn't find a wikipedia article on this outfit, unless I was searching incorrectly, but I wonder if one of you could provide a brief sketch of this group, or maybe a link to a brief rundown so that I may better be able to know just what we are dealing with here? Much appreciated-


October 11, 2011 10:15AM
concernedmom83
Date Added: 02/23/2011
Posts: 80
Re: Desteni

Hi, The Hidden Magi,
There are others who can speak much more in depth on the subject of desteni cult than myself. However
I would like to address your aquaintance's parents. If this desteni cult member has not yet become too
enamored with the cult, please tell them to try to reason with your friend.
It is run by bernard poolman, along with sunette spies. They more or less hate everything about the world
as we live in it today. Their goal (questionalbe) is an equal money system. The members must pay for the
course (about $200/month). Then the member get's 10 people and so on until you have .... yes
A PYRAMID SCHEME, or a MULTI LEVEL MARKETING scheme. These monies go to bernard and the 'farm' in
South Africa. Also, I should mention that sunette spies is a portal. By that I mean, she channels the dead,
the living, inanimate objects, etc.
Please get to your friends parents and warn them. Tell them to feel free to PM me anytime, and you as well.

I'm sure that some of the others on RR will be better able to discuss desteni cult from a different perspective.
Mine is from a parents (and our family) ... much giref they have caused.



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October 11, 2011 01:19PM
Sandman
Date Added: 06/12/2008
Posts: 295
Desteni farm, sondag, bernard poolman, esteni de wet

Here's another piece from Sondag dated 19 Sept 2011...

If anyone has the full texts of these articles from the newspaper please post. Thanks.

[[url=http://www.sondag.co.za/artikels/Nuus/Cultpa-en-sy-2-wywe]www.sondag.co.za[/url]]

Google translation:



Cult father and his two wywe

The leader of Pietermaritzburg's Bald CULT, Bernard Poolman, is apparently a polygamist like much of a bald-cock to the hens cult Trouble!

On Sunday last week reported on the strange cult on a farm outside Pietermaritzburg remain shave their hair and some weird philosophy believes that aspects of fascism, Nazism, kommunisime and hippy-crap combine.

Now unveiled a former note that Poolman, leader of the cult-Desteni, "TWO CULTWYWE" continue - but might play among other cult members too!

The source is a former member of the cult.

He said: "There are so between 20 and 30 people on the farm.

"Bernard and two of the girls (Esteni the Act and Sunette Spies) is in a relationship with each other involved and share the same room at the farmhouse.

"They that sleep in a room with all the dogs and cats and all the things," he says.

Sunette Spies is the cult member who claimed she could with aliens, reptilian gods and the spirits of Gert van Rooyen and Hitler communicate.

The source said: "There are regularly held threesomes - but Poolman expected from other cult members to inform them of such type of behavior withheld.

"They may be involved in any relationship - and if you do not find someone, then they arrange someone for you," he says.

"Bernard is the owner of the farm and believe in free love.

"His life has always three D's turn.

"He loves gambling, drugs and d ** s".

According to the source of the cult members years earlier the drug Ecstasy - also known as the "Love Drug" use.

But, he said, "now it will not be done."

"Bernard is strongly opposed to drinking and members are forbidden to take the drink," said the source.

He said: "Poolman occurs when the mystic who some spiritual enlightenment attained - but really he was just like you and me.

"He knows so little of psychology and use it to manipulate people.

"It's a case of Bullshit Baffles Brains.

"Bernard likes when people everything he told them to eat hot cakes - he gets pissed when people questioned him."

According to the source, people are regularly fired because they differ Poolman.

"It's like a dictatorship - you dare not with the leader difference."

He told Poolman, a Namibian by birth, formerly lived in Kloof and computers and educational software sold.

"But now his dream.

"He always wanted to have this type of lifestyle," says the source.

He said: "But what do Poolman is not right. He fuck people's relationships. He even isolate them from their families and put them as the group.

Read the full report in the newspaper.


October 11, 2011 02:50PM
The Anticult
Date Added: 03/17/2006
Posts: 4558
Re: Desteni farm, sondag, bernard poolman, esteni de wet

Even with a mangled translation, you can see the newspaper got it right. It would be good to see the full articles.

a cult of gambling, drugs, sex, hitler nazism, fascism, communism...abuse of teenagers.

the only thing they forgot is capitalism, as in trying to line their own pockets by any means necessary, under the guise of group communism. (equal money)
Equal for you, but not for Poolman. Some are more equal than others.

Next watch Desteni try to go after this newspaper, but its doubtful Desteni has the resources for that, like a Scientology.


Foreign adult teenagers and others being exploited in SA by Desteni on some remote farm?
the jig is up for Deseni, now its on the radar of the officials in SA.


October 11, 2011 03:21PM
concernedmom83
Date Added: 02/23/2011
Posts: 80
Re: Desteni farm, sondag, bernard poolman, esteni de wet

As painful as it is for those of us that have loved ones in this cult, we HAD to know
it was just a matter of time before bernard's sickening little brainchild had to close
it's doors. But he will find some other scam to lure people in, get money and sit back
home on the farm AND NEVER DO AN HONEST DAY'S WORK.



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October 11, 2011 09:31PM
TheHiddenMagi
Date Added: 10/09/2011
Posts: 2
Re: Desteni

Thanks for the response ConcernedMom, and others as well, I can see you've done a good deal of work on this matter. Heavens, this is sounding bad, very bad, I'm so glad I found this site. Now it's polygamy mixed into this mess? Yuck. I've still much more reading to do, but obviously we've got a real problem here!


October 11, 2011 09:52PM
corboy
Date Added: 06/19/2002
Posts: 4934
Re: Desteni

Prior posts on this thread concerning:

poker

[[url=http://forum.culteducation.com/search.php?12,search=poker++poolman,page=1,match_type=ALL,match_dates=0,match_forum=ALL]http://forum.culteducation.com/search.php?12,search=poker++poolman,page=1,match_type=ALL,match_dates=0,match_forum=ALL[/url]]

and

gambling

[[url=http://forum.culteducation.com/search.php?12,search=gambling++poolman,page=1,match_type=ALL,match_dates=0,match_forum=ALL]http://forum.culteducation.com/search.php?12,search=gambling++poolman,page=1,match_type=ALL,match_dates=0,match_forum=ALL[/url]]


October 11, 2011 11:02PM
The Anticult
Date Added: 03/17/2006
Posts: 4558
Re: Desteni poolman site:[www.sondag.co.za]

For more results from that source, search in Google for this:

poolman site:www.sondag.co.za



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October 13, 2011 04:01PM
concernedmom83
Date Added: 02/23/2011
Posts: 80
Re: Desteni

This article and others in the www.sondag.co.za should upset anyone reading them.
If this is how bernard, sunette and esteni are looked at in SA, I can only imagine.
It is my hope that this paper keeps digging into this cult and expose them for the
MLM, cult that they are.
Their (desteni's) forum is also very disturbing... it seems to get worse with time,
and no closer to the equal money system than they were when bernard founded
it.


October 14, 2011 11:30PM
concernedmom83
Date Added: 02/23/2011
Posts: 80
Re: Desteni

To repeat myself: sorry for hogging the forum!

I just got through listening to Sunette discussing the fear of parents. It was painful to sit through,
but I did it. Painful, because she makes no sense at all.

Sunette I ask you: When you say that parents are basically the blame for the child's problems,
what do you believe about disipline, love, care? You said that generation aftergeneration parents have
passed on through their children qualities that the child does not like, and says he or she will
never pass these on to his or her child, but in the end ...he does. Why do you think that is Sunette?
Could it be that a child is just that:a child. As parents we are responsible for our children. We do
what we believe is best for them. We love this child, given to us to raise to an adult.

When I see blog, vlogs on desteni about parents and how you 'demonize' us (to use your own lingo),
it absolutely enrages me. I bet you get a kick out of that! Parents are the backbone of this world!!
Think about it!

It seems to me and always has that you are trying desparately to turn your members away from their
parents (and families). For those of them that have fallen for it, shame on you and bernard. I think there are those members that question why you have to always try to make them feel bad, about EVERYTHING! I think
the reason that you do this is to keep the members in your cult.

But too much evidence is coming to the top, for members of desteni cult to blindly believe everything, that bernard and you say without question. First of all it makes no sense, and secondly, it's just downright wrong.
Some of these members have given up many years, families, friends... and yes thousands of dollars. But as
I said the truth is coming out, kind of busting at the seams and soon all your members will realize that they
themselves are the only ones who can make an equal money system. They don't need to go through all the
hoops.

It's just a matter of time...



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/14/2011 11:36PM by concernedmom83.


October 15, 2011 05:31AM
The Anticult
Date Added: 03/17/2006
Posts: 4558
Re: Desteni

Every word of that drivel about parents is coming from Poolman.
Poolman learned that every single cultish sect that targets young people, of course has to target "parents" and use that as leverage.

One could list 100 sects right now, who attack the parents, and try to separate the teens and young adults from the parents, and then break the relationship.
Why?
So they are dependent on the sect, and the sects leader.

Every sect like Desteni works very very hard to drive a wedge between families, parents, and the members of the sect.
They all do it.

And Poolman studied enough sects and cults to know he has to do that too, if he wants to maintain control of his younger sect members.


October 15, 2011 07:44AM
freespeech4tw
Date Added: 03/13/2011
Posts: 20
Re: Desteni

The focus on parents seems logical, for the only demographic group Desteni can successfully target are teens and tweens, who are not exactly known for their abilities to reason or be realistic and down to earth: Give them a reason to be angry at someone, especially parents that they feel treated unjust by (as all teens do, they love melodrama and self-pity) or the 'system', that they are yet scared of - they will love you in return, just like they love every commercialised 'rebellion' that sells itself via image rather than substance.

(I've watched some new entries on their 'introduce yourself'-forum that might actually get Desteni into trouble: some of those new recruits talked about not even being out of highschool yet, which would suggest that they are quite possibly around or under 18. If any money-transactions had taken place in these cases, Desteni might get into serious trouble with the law from what I can tell.)

The fact that so many tweens are in the same emotional position regarding Desteni can only be attributed to the changing of the times. Most of these 'young' people in there are well into their twenties, most close to thirty, yet they seem to suffer from the same teenage-brattiness, stubbornness and closed-mindedness as the average underage Twitard, including respect less ranting about their parents while yet being financially dependent on them and not a single indication of being thankful or understanding, not in the least realising that their parents are just human themselves...

It seems to be a problem with this generation in general (aka also outside Desteni) that they live through their puberty (including the point where you usually separate yourself from your parents, break away, begin your own life and then look back considering all they've done for you from the perspective of an adult and not a whiney self-obsessed teenager) about ten years later than people a few generations before used to.

They are very much a product of their time in this regard, regardless of all their 'self-honesty' and everything, going through the phase of being disappointed finding out your parents are not flawless, all-knowing beings (as children often believe), channelling it in disrespect, only ten years late because the age of infantility does not stop with being physically grown up these days anymore.

And in all this teenage-disillusionment all of a sudden there is Bernard, being this self-proclaimed flawless father-figure, the lie that their inner child desperately wants to believe in, and this time, the lie can go on forever because they do not have to live under the same roof, they will never have to find out that he is not all they imagine him to be.
He appears powerful and without fault, he gives them strict guidelines as to what behaviour will make them gain his approval, because all we want is please our daddies, don't we?
He offers them a second 'upbringing' making them something better than what came out before, a second try for all those who blame their parents for their own misguided lives.

It is really childish to blame parents for all that is wrong in your life. Sure, they give you the basics you work with, but they are not responsible for the decisions you make. Desteni attacking the 'system of parenting' or whatever is nothing but catering to the self-righteous teenager within it's target-audience, that wants their own opinion - that every flaw in their lives is not their own fault but their terrible, tyrannical, weak, selfish parent's doing - repeated to themselves.

Of course they'll believe it. After all, it's what they wanted to hear all along.


October 15, 2011 08:09AM
rrmoderator
Date Added: 06/17/2002
Posts: 4921
Re: Desteni

It certainly is wrong for Destini to recruit minor children.

It is also rather sinister in my opinion for Bernard to target young people and their vulnerabilities, which he seems to do through his group.

It's important to place the blame where it belongs, which is on the cult group exploiting human frailties and vulnerabilities, not on its victims.

Everyone has problems and groups called "cults" certainly feed on and exploit that.


October 16, 2011 01:14PM
concernedmom83
Date Added: 02/23/2011
Posts: 80
Re: Desteni

I have to respond re: sunette's video.

I am very well aware that when the teen years come, there is a big change in one's child.
Rebellion, 'freshness', doesn't want to go to family functions, etc.
But to equate this rather normal, (kind of HAS to happen behavior) to being drawn into a
cult and having that evil man as the child's father figure, I have to disagree. Granted there
is a reason why the child or young adult is searching for answers. But I'd say, and have actually
been contacted by more than one ex member (this is true). One young girl said 'they were hyp
ocrites and didn't live by what they preached. As far as shaving her head and going to the farm,
her response was: 'it just didn't feel right'.
So this isn't some group that has a bunch of 'hate my parents' kids and young adults in it, well
it's nothing short of 'A CULT'.
Kids rebel in high school and college, but they always seem to know when they are near the edge,
even if they fall off, because their parents and famiies are there to help and love them.

bernard wouldn't be.


October 16, 2011 02:25PM
concernedmom83
Date Added: 02/23/2011
Posts: 80
Re: Desteni

One more thing:
I just got through reading today's desteni 'blogs' one about how bad we are, how ashamed we shoud be that there
is poverty in this world. Another was on the 'introduce me section' of desteni forum. The writer was complaining
about the US thinking it's great. Martin agreed that America was evil. They naturally think that ems will 'poof' get
rid of all of the world's probelms.
I tried to get on their forum, they won't let me, so I have no choice but to come her to Rick Ross, where I know
desteni cult members monitor regularly.

To those that 'diss' the US I say, Shame on you! The US isn't perfect, but we are overall a kind and generous people.
We have given billions to your causes around the world. I know you don't agree with charities, helping out in anyway.
Will one of you destonians PLEASE COME HERE ON RR AND:

TELL US HOW YOU ARE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THE EMS? TO THE WORLD? WILL THERE BE SOMEONE IN CHARGE?
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY WILL YOU USE MONEY, WHICH YOU ALL SEEM TO HATE SO MUCH?

I am most serious when I ask you to let us know HOW this is going to be done. Put it up on desteni cult forum if
you'd like, but let the world know. You're asking people to give THEIR money, time, give up their family, friends for
this ems, the least you could do is let people know.

For example: Say one went to take a 'CPR' course and it cost $500.00. This person signed up, gave their $500.00 check,
and asked, "Is there a book or sylibis I could use to prepare myself for this course". The answer was no. You went
to the course and the instructor kept talking about how important CPR is, how many lives it will help save,....but you
never learned how and what to do with the CPR method. The instructor kept giving evasive answers. Well that's just exactly what is happening here. Oh hold on, then the
CPR instructor says: "you have to sign up for the next part of the CPR course for $1000.00" When he asked what it entails
or why, he is as evasive as berard, darryl, sunette, andrea and the rest...

So please let us know how the plan is going to work. Do you have a plan laid out to put into action at 'some point'? I believe
that this is a very honest and straightforward question to ask, and it just doesn't seem to be getting answered.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/16/2011 02:31PM by concernedmom83.


October 16, 2011 06:26PM
Natasha
Date Added: 08/21/2011
Posts: 16
Re: Desteni

Re :

(I've watched some new entries on their 'introduce yourself'-forum that might actually get Desteni into trouble: some of those new recruits talked about not even being out of highschool yet, which would suggest that they are quite possibly around or under 18. If any money-transactions had taken place in these cases, Desteni might get into serious trouble with the law from what I can tell.)

Is this true ? Can the ages be verified, and the law be invoked ?


October 17, 2011 02:24PM
freespeech4tw
Date Added: 03/13/2011
Posts: 20
Re: Desteni

[desteni.co.za]

Page I was referring to. Desteni hides their members though (so much for honesty and showing your true face), and also even if these kids had paid any money, they would never admit to it.

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October 18, 2011 02:20AM
freespeech4tw
Date Added: 03/13/2011
Posts: 20
Re: Desteni

[desteni.co.za]

This person actually states that he is 16.

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October 19, 2011 06:39AM
Sandman
Date Added: 06/12/2008
Posts: 295
under age Desteni members

Posts were made regularly at the previous Desteni forum by people who admitted they are under 18, but that forum was deleted without explanation in July this year.

Current members aged around 20 first got into it when they were under 18. Many of them first got involved aged around 18-23. Desteni started in 2007.

Ryan Paul Franklin was making Desteni promo videos when he was about 15...

[manageapply.blogspot.com]

He's deleted his YouTube channel for some reason.

New recruit Marcus Duffy has said he is 15:

[www.youtube.com]
[marcusduffy.blogspot.com]

So when did he start? Age 12?

Another recruit Jessica N Smith gives her age as 18:

[www.youtube.com]
[exposingmyselfthroughequality.blogspot.com]

Poolman set the precedent when he hired Sunette Spies to front the group. She was said to be about 22-23 in the original videos but I would say looks about 15-18. Either way, if she was going to have an appeal it would only be for a younger audience or for those interested in young people, and that would be a deliberate tactic on the part of Poolman.

At the time, many people commented on her young age, some saying she was about 12. Notably, some of the old videos of Sunette Spies currently being re-uploaded to YouTube have only the audio track and her image removed.

Although Poolman gives his age as 49-50 I'd say he looks and sounds more like 55-65.



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October 19, 2011 02:16PM
The Anticult
Date Added: 03/17/2006
Posts: 4557
underage Desteni members, Warren Jeffs life in prison for sex crimes

Just like anything else, if a concerned citizen has evidence that illegal activities involving minors is occurring in a group, a complaint can be filed with the police, and followed up on.

for example, the 'Holy Man' spiritual leader Warren Jeffs was charged, convicted and jailed for life for sex offenses with minors.
[en.wikipedia.org]


October 19, 2011 05:30PM
Sandman
Date Added: 06/12/2008
Posts: 295
Re: Desteni

Yes, but uh, the police are not going to accept Warren Jeffs as evidence against Desteni.


October 19, 2011 11:32PM
The Anticult
Date Added: 03/17/2006
Posts: 4557
illegal activities

Obviously the general point is that if some sect or group is engaging in illegal activities like the use of illegal drugs with minors, or illegal sexual activity involving minors, then in fact the police can investigate that based on the evidence.


October 20, 2011 08:41AM
Natasha
Date Added: 08/21/2011
Posts: 16
Re: illegal activities

So who would be best placed to file a complaint, and get the SA police investigating? would it have to be based on having had more contact than just having read their forum?


October 20, 2011 12:16PM
Sandman
Date Added: 06/12/2008
Posts: 295
Re: Desteni

To file a complaint with the police in Pietermaritzburg, I don't think it would necessarily have to mean having had direct contact with the Desteni group, but it would have to be based on facts to make it worth their while in terms of being able to identify criminal activities.

The Desteni scam is at least to some extent successfully being deterred by a number of individuals online as they are providing factual information and reasonable ideas about it, not setting off false alarms. Unless somebody is keeping it secret, there is no evidence that Poolman or anyone else in Desteni are sexually abusing minors. There is not even evidence that people under 18 are visiting or live on the Desteni farm. Poolman's aggressive stance against the world could be such that he is in possession of illegal arms, but again that is mere speculation.

As freespeech4tw pointed out, there's something very adolescent about Desteni media, and that's the case whatever the age of those involved.

There are now a great deal of videos released by Desteni which are supposed to convey the idea that parents are "evil". They are deliberately aiming to recruit young people with problems with their parents.

The age of the ex-Desteni member who ran this currently inactive YT channel:
[www.youtube.com]
and contributed to this forum is given as 22, so he was only 17-18 when he got into Desteni and paid out for their Structural Resonance Alignment Training.

It could be that parents' money is being used without knowledge of what it's being used for. It could also be that Desteni websites and courses ought to be bound by law to have an adults only policy. In which case, their web host or some other internet authority could be informed.


October 20, 2011 03:23PM
concernedmom83
Date Added: 02/23/2011
Posts: 80
Re: Desteni

Thanks Sandman, great points. We have all read on this RR, the posts by an ex member.
I can only speculate as to why his youtube account has not been written on within the last
few months. Hopefully any ex members will come here, read the info, get help if necessary
and start their new 'desteni cult free' lives. Also, if they feel the desire to contact any of us,
I'm sure that I speak for all, we would be more than happy to help.

As a mother of a member, I have lived this nightmare. This group of people are no where
closer to their ems than then is a man on the moon! I do, however, feel that many of the
members truly believe in the theory, and I feel badly saying that to them. If they would
just ask themselves the important questions, and answer honestly. Talk with a sibling,
a friend, see what they think of the new 'desteni cult' you. Your parents love you and
only wants what's going to make your life a healthy, happy and sucessful one.
PLEASE JUST TRY THIS, share yourself with them and ask them to listen, and in turn
you listen back. Then, try to match it with bernard and sunette's version of family. Do you
really believe these two strangers (until the last few years!) over your flesh and blood.
I am telling you, it's just not right. No group, company, friendship, team, etc would ask
you to give up your family and tell you that 'love' is not real. We (your parents) LOVE YOU!!


October 20, 2011 04:14PM
The Anticult
Date Added: 03/17/2006
Posts: 4557
Re:

Just a general point, which of course most people are aware of, but some people might not be.

If a citizen sees or suspects some type of illegal activity where minors are being exploited, then of course they can contact the authorities and report it.
If a person really cares about it, they can submit the complaint in writing, and then follow up on it as it goes through the system.

Or if a former member of a group has a report of illegal activities with minors, then they could report that as well.

But of course making a complaint to the authorities is serious business.

But its like anything else.
If a person hears a neighbor doing what sounds like the serious abuse of a minor, for example, without seeing it, can they report that? Yes they can, and hopefully, it will be investigated.


October 20, 2011 04:20PM
The Anticult
Date Added: 03/17/2006
Posts: 4557
Re: Re:

Also, different areas have different laws for the age of consent, and how that applies to adults.

[en.wikipedia.org]


October 20, 2011 04:31PM
The Anticult
Date Added: 03/17/2006
Posts: 4557
Osho / Rajneesh MDMA Ecstasy

Lastly, if some sect is using illegal drugs like Ecstasy-MDMA [www.drugaware.co.za] with minors, or with anyone, one assumes that would be investigated.

Or if the sect has some registered, unregistered or illegal guns, certainly the local police would like to be aware of that.


OSHO-Rajneesh was the cult leader who really promoted the use of MDMA, and would slip it to groups of people without their knowledge.

Osho / Rajneesh MDMA Ecstasy [forum.culteducation.com]
OSHO Rajneesh was one of the worst. Brainwashing, sexual abuses, mass druggings, poisonings...
Followers of Rajneesh to this day still don't seem to realize that they were probably DRUGGED by the Osho/Rajneesh goonsquad, in those all night ecstatic meditation sessions. To this day there are people posting about it...they can't seem to realize that they were most likely DRUGGED by those Osho maniacs. They would regularly poison people, never mind "merely" drug them.

Please let me say this:

He, the inventor of that "mind-game" is dead ALREADY!

Please note what it means: The head is off! Only the body is running around. But that is just some movement. And the other "heads" who belong to that "body", are going to drop soon.

Because once it is known to them that one head is off, they panic. But don't react to that. It is just some movement. Like a chick can move for some seconds after the head is removed.

I know it sounds strange what I say, but LISTEN:

What "destini"-child called a "portal" is not a portal anymore.

If a "higher" portal shows up, the "lower" portal is "done".

Please note that "lower" frequencies can not survive if "higher" ones show up.

And in the end it is like this:

Don't diss the bliss...

...because you will miss...

...what it is...

...to be like this...



The "fight" between good and evil went on for eons. But know it's done. Because untruth can not win. It is impossible. Only the good, the "good" intention can, and will, win. The good...the GOD...the individuality...that came from the source...that expresses itself in a unique and genuine style.

It is impossible to channel a spirit because the "spirit-world" is just an imagination for those who are trapped in a mind-fuck. Lost in an idea of "spirituality". There is no such thing in REALITY.

REALITY means: You are here...right now...in flesh and blood...with all vulnerablities...with all insecurieties...but without any fear what-so-ever...because...the child of victory...the innocent...can not loose...it is impossible...and you are "beyond" the physical...beyond the "spiritual" (pseudo) reality...and this "beyondness" makes you a real human...a real man...a real woman...something that does NOT...in any way...would repeat some superimposed structure that is given by some entity who claim to know it all...

Never ever would a child of victory dance to the tune of someone who claim to be a "knower".

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October 20, 2011 04:44PM
The Anticult
Date Added: 03/17/2006
Posts: 4558
Re: Osho / Rajneesh MDMA Ecstasy

For the Desteni experts, is this a real quote pointing to the Desteni group? There appear to be hundreds of these statements cross-posted on the internet.



Search Google for this phrase, copy/paste into a search engine:


War on Love -- it is just a chemical -- see for yourself and use Ecstasy Join Research at www.desteni.co.za/forum/ MDMA Ecstasy



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October 21, 2011 01:11AM
The Anticult
Date Added: 03/17/2006
Posts: 4558
Re: Osho / Rajneesh MDMA Ecstasy

strange, there are all sorts of cross-posted links referring to Desteni and Ecstasy, to a deleted video with the title:



Ecstasy MDMA – Love is just a DRUG Part 2


(and below that are all of these keywords)
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War on Love — it is just a chemical — see for yourself and use Ecstasy Join Research at www.desteni.co.za MDMA Ecstasy Appetite loss Visual distortion Rapid, involuntary eye jiggling (nystagmus) Mild visual hallucinations (uncommon) Moderately increased heart rate and blood pressure (increases with dose) Restlessness, nervousness, shivering Change in body temperature regulation Upwellings of unexpected emotion, emotional liability Strong desire to do or want more when coming down Inappropriate and/or unintended emotional bonding Tendency to say things you might feel uncomfortable about later Mild to extreme jaw clenching (trisma), tongue and cheek chewing, and teeth grinding (bruxia) Difficulty concentrating & problems with activities requiring linear focus Short-term memory scramble or loss & confusion Muscle tension Erectile dysfunction and difficulty reaching orgasm Increase in body temperature, hyperthermia, dehydration (drink water) Hyponatremia (don’t drink too much water) Nausea and vomiting Headaches, dizziness, loss of balance, and vertigo Sadness on coming down, sense of loss or immediate nostalgia Post-trip Crash – unpleasantly harsh comedown from the peak effect Hangover the next day, lasting days to weeks Mild depression and fatigue for up to a week Severe depression and/or fatigue (uncommon) Possible strong urge to repeat the experience, though not physically addictive Possible psychological crisis requiring hospitalization (psychotic episodes, severe …


October 21, 2011 01:18AM
The Anticult
Date Added: 03/17/2006
Posts: 4558
Osho / Rajneesh MDMA Ecstasy DesteniProductions

Yep, the video was from Desteni Productions.

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Watch Here Ecstasy MDMA - Love is just a DRUG Part 2
Ecstasy MDMA - Love is just a DRUG Part 2
Free clip from DesteniProductions on YouTube
Jun 3, 2009 6:16
War on Love -- it is just a chemical -- see for yourself and use Join Research at [www.desteni.co.za] MDMA Ecstasy Appetite loss Visual distortion Rapid, involuntary eye jiggling (nystagmus) Mild visual hallucinations (uncommon) Moderately increased heart rate and blood pressure (increases with dose) Restlessness, nervousness, shivering Change in body temperature regulat ... more Tags: mdma, ecstasy, drug, psychedelics, rave, ravers, neurotically, fear, dissolution, kiss, spiritual, awareness, senses, empathy, belonging, closeness, comfort, ego, softening, inhibitions, war, on, love, chemical, fake, enlightenment, occult, galactic, fede


KelleyKatPLUR: I liked a @YouTube video from @DesteniUniverse [[url=http://youtu.be/kAFGa1y05ME?a]http://youtu.be/kAFGa1y05ME?a[/url]] Ecstasy MDMA - Love is just a DRUG Part 2

10 months
leonardlenoury: I favorited a YouTube video -- Ecstasy MDMA - Love is just a DRUG Part 2 [[url=http://youtu.be/kAFGa1y05ME?a]http://youtu.be/kAFGa1y05ME?a[/url]]


October 21, 2011 01:32AM
The Anticult
Date Added: 03/17/2006
Posts: 4558
Re: Osho / Rajneesh MDMA Ecstasy DesteniProductions

the scammers running Desteni have taken their Forum offline from the general public.

Desteni is getting more paranoid, more ruthless, more desperate, more coercive.

Of course, any authority could monitor the Desteni forums very easily, even send an undercover into the Desteni farm if they believed there was reason for it.


October 21, 2011 01:42AM
The Anticult
Date Added: 03/17/2006
Posts: 4558
Re: Osho / Rajneesh MDMA Ecstasy DesteniProductions

Its probably only a matter of time, until some journalist goes "undercover" and joins Desteni on the farm, and then writes an article about it.


And if a sect is dealing with the group use, distribution, or manufacture of an illegal drug like MDMA, then the police may even send an undercover in to investigate.


October 21, 2011 01:56AM
The Anticult
Date Added: 03/17/2006
Posts: 4558
Re: Osho / Rajneesh MDMA Ecstasy DesteniProductions

Of course here is a previous post in this thread about this subject, hard to keep track of everything.

Desteni farm, ecstasy, drugs, MDMA [[url=http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,62042,99337#msg-99337]http://forum.culteducation.com/read.php?12,62042,99337#msg-99337[/url]]

But if there are links and evidence of illegal drug use...one would assume the authorities would be interested in that information.


October 24, 2011 10:43PM
concernedmom83
Date Added: 02/23/2011
Posts: 80
Re: Desteni

The latest assignment that the assigned members have received is 'talk about how the ems will effect all ways of life" (or something like that from bernard, I'm sure)
I am always struck by those blogs and posts about parents, siblings and families.

What the equal money system will do for families, is the topic of one members posts. I find it very difficult to read and absorb that these people think that everything is always bad. This post dealt with how parents basically have their children held captive, both mentally and physically (abuse). I find that SO insulting to myself and all parents. Why would ANYONE, who has a normal life, and loves their family and friends want to take part in desteni cult, (if that is the intent of the author)? We all know where the ems is going....nowhere. I'm sorry members. Instead of writing daily posts, forgiving every one in sight, breathing (which is part of the human condition) and the other things that your do, why not DO something? I just don't get it, and no one else does for that matter. Until we factor in bernard's and the others non-employment, and the fact that any of you who are involved in the iprocess (which is planned to go on for 10 years) ..that's at 200 USD/month. Do the math.

I listened to a young man's videos the other night. They were over a period of 3 years. He made a video in which he was talking about how dysfunctional his family is, and in the middle of the video, his father called his cell phone. He put it on speakerphone, so the viewer could hear. How and why would you do this to your father. He mentioned that someone had passed away and this member laughed. Such disturbing behavior.

So my point tonite is: while you are all following the marching orders of bernard, making sure that your payment is in by the 21st of the month for your next iprocess course. For the most part, most of you appear to be young adult with your lives ahead of you. This is the time when you should be preparing for the future, in our world. Schooling, working, dating, marriage, having children, sharing your life with someone you love. It's not the time of your life to be married to your computer to find out the latest about desteni cult.

Please give it some thought. I am only repeating what I read on the forum. I don't claim to know everything, but I do know that Family and Friends are a part of life you will regret someday having hurt and pushed out of your life. Again, just think about what I've said.



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October 31, 2011 04:15PM
unknown 2
Date Added: 10/30/2011
Posts: 2
Re: Equal Money System, Zeitgeist Movement, Desteni, Venus Project

I need to say that equal money system was maked by some maniac man. The Venus project is inofensive, only the people do not understand what kind of philosophy is this our what is thing our another things, and people have fear to change like Michiu kaku says.
Equal money system stole one of the ideas of the venus project, create a short list of people to help others understand the issue in which the transition was necessary.
They block me on youtube, and they are so convinced in all they aspects and actions, equal money system is for mercenaries.
The venus project never makes mistakes, the only thing the people are against this project its because they don't pull for their intellectuality.
Let's see what Poolman says:

"The RBE will not ever come into existence, there is to much freedom allowed in the RBE for it to be seen as a option."

I am sorry Poolman, but do you know how the human nature works? I don't think so. First the liberty cannot be put in a society profoundly sick. All the people who enter on the venus project have conscience about everything including the equality to all, and good behavior, so we whant a human being who is smarter, safer, more developed intellectually than the present life only brought us grief. This hurts somoene reading this? now, of corse, the money never makes peace and make a good behavior, in the ambient of the money the only thing the money makes is corruption and crime. Fi we whant peace we need to be really humans, but with the compreenshion of the nature, the only thing we deeper was superfluous in this society. everytime someone whants to create a just world to everyone, someone is allways trying to destroy a beutiful concept, and RBE can be a reallity if we collaborate with everybody like brothers and with rationality.
The poolman is a mercenary waithing for the big day they whant but that will not happen, is necessary know how we works and not inventing things beyond our nature, and not what makes us 100% rational.

"RBE still does not hold any solution for mankind, and for how mankind lives."

Is not no. they may not have seen the our concepts, or do not want to know the best, so is born of ignorance. People naturally want to explore not even know what it is, want to be against something rather than just support. What clear prouves this guy have against us? What is the reallity for this people? They whant make every people reach and end with the Elites on the politics, when acctually, they will do more elites on the world, because the the class the people have is maked be the ammount of richness.
i mean, this guy is not human, thats the reason some people in the mind have politics, and other parallel worlds.

I am only here because i whant to contest this the equal money system negatively.



The guy really whants we all cut the hair, they seems to be ULLIMINATI our something, because all the supporters in majority do not have they hair. So how this mercenary explain that?

this guy is like devil. I was a supporter of EQUAL MONEY SYSTEM, but with the fear they give, i pass to support the venus project, and i have more conscience now, what is the world today... Insane.

The guy belive in god? I whant proves, because i am tired of this organization of money.
The problem is you do not want to accept the the other as his brother, prefers to be against, and being a mercenary, than actually get equality. Equality is not about money, it is with honesty and love. You Equal Money System, and all mercenaries will LOSE!
The guy is very wrong, the error of all is not see and understand what is our point. So they are very wrong to if they thing the only way to solve problems, it is with money. The problems are not just about money, but the necessary education and welfare, and this is something where the money will never give.


November 01, 2011 03:55PM
concernedmom83
Date Added: 02/23/2011
Posts: 80
Re: Desteni

I would like to address the previous poster and another subject:

1. Your remarks are well taken. You have it right about bernard. I hear your frustration. The
fact that he is trying to be the founder of equality for all is rediculous, and the way he is
going about it, is even more rediculous.
One who seems to hate his own flesh and blood (his brother) as you mentioned, seems to
not have much credibility.

2. I would like to talk about the posts lately on desteni cult forum. They seem to be all about
how the ems is going to effect us (the world).
One post in particular made me very angry. It is about doctors becoming doctors for money.
I am fortunate enough to live in a country that has wonderful docotors and hospitals. These
doctors do much to help other parts of the world receive good health care.
To say that a doctor becomes a doctor for money is just plain ignorant. It takes many years,
sacrifice and hard work to finally achieve your goal.
Maya ( the destonian who wrote about this): Tell me that a doctor or nurse for that matter,
who works in an cancer hospital is doing that 'for the money'. How DARE you!! Doctors have
brought us to a point in our world where we are free from many diseases, and they work
diligently on those that still exist, to eradicate them.

I would suggest that you work within your government and be a spokesperson for health care
reform, if you are dissatified. Believe me, as sure as I know my name, I can tell you and all
the others here that the 'equal money system' is not going to do ONE thing.

Please destonians, stay on point. Get on with your ems and stop blabbing about waking up, going
to class, what happened here and there.... that will get NOTHING DONE.



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November 03, 2011 08:31PM
truthbheard
Date Added: 10/31/2011
Posts: 14
Re: Desteni

Since my "friend" became deeply involved in Desteni, I have been following the posts here on Rick Ross. I don't feel comfortable to say whether my friend is a girl or boy, at least not for now. So if it's ok, I will refer to my friend as "him" or "he".
At first, "he" shall I say, dabbled, with the Densteni group. As time went on, "he" watched the videos all the time. "He" was so mesmorized by Sunette and Bernard. "He" wanted so much for me to become as interested as "he" was, but I could see that it was a scam. I couldn't figure out why Bernard and Sunette made all these wierd videos and blogs. Until my friend informed me the "he" was going to enroll in 'iprocess' and wanted me to consider joining with "him". That "he" had come to the point that "he" would blindly send $200.00 a month to this man, Bernard, whom he didn't know and who was doing nothing for my "friend" or anything else, was the last straw in our relationship! Eventually, we parted because, I hate to say this, but he was so brainwashed with this cultgroup and it's members, that there was nothing left to our "friendship".

This cultgroup has ruined our "friendship" and many other relationships in "his" life. I am hurt, angry, sad, resentful to have lost my "friend" .

I want to get to the bottom of how they work and if they are a legal group. Can anyone here help me?

Thank-you for your time,
truthbetold



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Here is page 110 of the pages that were lost from this thread since the domain name was changed. Some links might be out of date but links to this forum have been updated.

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November 04, 2011 08:00PM
Natasha
Date Added: 08/21/2011
Posts: 16
Re: Desteni

My sympathies. I too have lost a very dear friend to the Desteni fraud. . What is worse, is to see him spiral into chaos and madness. But this is an older person.... most of them are very young, and the most likely outcome is that they will come through it all OK and at worst, remember these years with embarrassment. I hope this will be the case with your friend.


November 04, 2011 10:41PM
truthbheard
Date Added: 10/31/2011
Posts: 14
Re: Desteni

Thank you Natasha, I do hope that you are correct. "He" is very much into the Desteni group now, and it seems that "he" has no interest in getting his life back on track. "He" is making money somehow with the Desteni group. I don't think that "he" actually has made money, but that seems to be the plan, according to Bernard. My friend is older, at least in years, but he is so brainwashed with the Desteni language and lifestyle. "He" is recruiting others into the group. I don't know how this is going for "him", but that was "his" plan.

Desteni claims to want an equal money system (which I think is silly and foolish to waste time on). I don't see how and why this group is involved in so many aspects of the members lives. Has anyone here witnessed this? If so, what were your findings?

I have gone back to RR page 1 and have been reading some very interesting posts from members of Rick Ross and apprearances of some Desteni members. My friend always felt that Rick Ross was a threat to the Desteni group. I think the truth coming out about Desteni is frightening to the members.

Does anyone have experience with 'donations' to human, animal, and earth research? Are these members qualified to do research? Are there findings published in any Journals. This was a very bright red light to me that something wasn't right. Desteni asks for money for research and where are the findings, examples of what they have done? My friend seemed to feel that "he" was doing his own research. Oh it was crazy.


November 05, 2011 11:37AM
freespeech4tw
Date Added: 03/13/2011
Posts: 20
Re: Desteni

@truthbeheard
They seem hardly qualified to lace their own shoes to be quite honest.
Just listen to anything they say, there is an enormous lack of knowledge in whatever they chose to talk about. Especially funny is their take on quantum-theory, they use words from it without even understanding what it is about in order to back up their science fiction fantasies. Their so called 'food-research' consists of picking their favorite food and attributing certain effects to it, such as 'helps you stay HERE', without giving an explanation as to why or any kind of evidence.

[[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYCUqp2x3Rc&feature=channel_video_title&hd=1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYCUqp2x3Rc&feature=channel_video_title&hd=1[/url]]
Little example of what they consider to be 'scientific research'. It's pretty stupid.

The usual Desteni-tactic of research is, unfortunately: 'Just make shit up.'


November 05, 2011 06:01PM
Sandman
Date Added: 06/12/2008
Posts: 295
desteni.org, Gottfrid Swartholm, Svartholm, prq.se, pirate bay

Not so long ago, Desteni announced they were changing servers. It seems the desteni.co.za domain is still registered to Esteni De Wet and the Domain Administrator is still hetzner.co.za.

[[url=http://co.za/cgi-bin/whois.sh?Domain=desteni]http://co.za/cgi-bin/whois.sh?Domain=desteni[/url]]

But they are now using the domain [desteni.org], which re-directs to desteni.co.za.

[demons.desteni.org] re-directs to [demonology.co.za]

The hosting location is Sweden.

[[url=http://www.pagesinventory.com/domain/www.desteni.org.html]www.pagesinventory.com[/url]]

The Registrant Name is Gottfrid Swartholm

[[url=http://www.whois.net/whois/desteni.org]www.whois.net[/url]]

Registrant Organization is PRQ Inet KB
[[url=http://prq.se/?intl=1]prq.se[/url]]

Wait a minute. Surely not The Gottfrid Swartholm?

[[url=http://website.informer.com/Gottfrid++Swartholm+PRQ+Inet+KB.html]website.informer.com[/url]]

That is, Gottfrid Svartholm, co-founder of the notorious (anti-copyright) Pirate Bay?

[[url=http://www.digitfreak.com/internet/p2p/261-thepiratebay-co-founder-gottfrid-svartholm-sentenced-to-jail.html]www.digitfreak.com[/url]]
[[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gottfrid_Svartholm]en.wikipedia.org[/url]]

It would seem that Swartholm works for [[url=http://prq.se/]prq.se[/url]].

The PRQ 'about us' page says they believe in freedom of speech, commerce, and the right to privacy and anonymity. They do not tolerate spam.

Why then is PRQ supporting the likes of Desteni, an organization which spams various networks on a daily basis and is known to issue false copyright claims, and admits it is opposed to commerce, freedom of speech, anonymity and privacy?

Conversely, why are Desteni patronizing PRQ, an organization with values directly opposed to them?

Maybe PRQ don't know what Desteni's about. Maybe someone should tell them: [[url=http://prq.se/?p=contact&intl=1]prq.se[/url]]



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November 05, 2011 07:57PM
The Anticult
Date Added: 03/17/2006
Posts: 4558
Re: desteni.org, Gottfrid Swartholm, Svartholm, prq.se, pirate bay

Very interesting.
It seems likely that Desteni, due to their Hitler-loving propaganda, and many other aspects of the Desteni fraud, like their pyramid schemes, was running into trouble with their webhosts?
For example, some of their material was operating on some servers in Germany, was it not?
And in Germany, its illegal to be a Hitler propagandist, and a history lesson for the Desteni-kids, it wasn't too long ago Hitler ordered the mass torture and horrendous mass murder of millions of humans in one of the worst crimes against humanity in human history.

And Bernard Poolman and his Desteni gang of idiots are Hitler worshipers.
Hitler, the most venal psychotic mass murderer of modern times, and Desteni loves Hitler.
If someone knows HTML, they could make a heart symbol for a slogan for Desteni...

Desteni (hearts) Hitler.


So it looks like Desteni figured if they buy their server time off those guys, then no one will bother them for their possibly illegal content and tactics.


Gottfrid Swartholm was just convicted in the last 2 weeks apparently. So obviously the last thing those guys are thinking about is Desteni, they just want the payments for server usage.
[[url=http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/15/swedish_jail_for_pirate_bay_founder/]www.theregister.co.uk[/url]]


November 05, 2011 08:17PM
The Anticult
Date Added: 03/17/2006
Posts: 4558
Re: desteni.org, Gottfrid Swartholm, Svartholm, prq.se, pirate bay

That is bizarre, that Desteni would totally turn over Desteni.org to Gottfrid Swartholm.

Considering that it just happened, and that Gottfrid Swartholm was in the middle of his trials, and now apparently has gone missing.
But those guys are pretty clever, perhaps since Gottfrid has disappeared, they are putting everything in his name like a phantom?
Who knows.

But notice below they only did it for one year, Aug 2011-2012.
Then Desteni will probably put it in someone else's name.

Or maybe one of the "other" Desteni groups will be able to buy the Desteni.org domain, and use it to educate the public about what Desteni really is.

It seems possible that PRQ are just using the name of this "missing" guy to use as the name they put down, as apparently he not in the country, and no one knows where he is.


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www.whois.net/whois/desteni.org

Domain ID:D163124296-LROR
Domain Name:DESTENI.ORG
Created On:23-Aug-2011 23:44:17 UTC
Last Updated On:23-Oct-2011 03:52:40 UTC

Expiration Date:23-Aug-2012 23:44:17 UTC

Sponsoring Registrar:eNom, Inc. (R39-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:cce6d0485ac1a25c
Registrant Name:Gottfrid Swartholm
Registrant Organization:PRQ Inet KB
Registrant Street1:Box ####
Registrant City:Stockholm
Registrant State/Province:SE
Registrant Country:SE

Admin Name:Gottfrid Swartholm
Admin City:Stockholm
Admin State/Province:SE

Tech ID:cce6d0485ac1a25c
Tech Name:Gottfrid Swartholm
Tech Organization:PRQ Inet KB
Tech City:Stockholm

Name Server:NS.PRQ.SE
Name Server:NS2.PRQ.SE

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November 05, 2011 08:54PM
Sandman
Date Added: 06/12/2008
Posts: 295
Desteni, PRQ Inet KB, pirate bay, Gottfrid Swartholm

It may be that the whois information is just slightly out of date and that's why it's still showing Gottfrid Swartholm's name, but it's clear that the PRQ Inet KB [[url=http://prq.se/?p=contact&intl=1]prq.se[/url]] server is operating [desteni.org].

PRQ Inet KB also host an anti-Scientology site: [[url=http://www.websitevalue.us/www/scientology-london.com]www.websitevalue.us[/url]]


November 06, 2011 10:34PM
truthbheard
Date Added: 10/31/2011
Posts: 14
Re: Desteni

Whoaaa! Desteni is much more underhanded than I had known.

Freespeech4tw, thanks for your help. I figured that they were blowing steam in claiming that they were doing research. The video that you directed me to, was so bad. To put a video up and claim that 'this' is your research, is rather naive and silly. But the scary part is that they believe that this is really helping their cause! They ask for money on their home page for reseach, shall I say a donatin? They use the Visa, and Mastercard symbol. I wonder how these companies would feel about precessing a payment to Desteni knowing what they stand for? I would think that these companies wouldn't like the fact that Desteni holds Hitler up to the highest esteem.

Also once the member get involved in the iprocess, they are working on the 10 people they need to get to make a small portion of money for themselves. My "friend" was and probably still is "recruiting" people, or trying too.

I have read on the previous pages on Rick Ross that Desteni is a pyramid scheme. It surly is.

I think that many companies that deal with Desteni would be very interested to know how they run their cult group. Obviously not Gottfrid Swartholm. I guess it should tell us that we are correct to define Desteni a bad news group, with their belief system, and who they associate themselves with.

I get very upset about this, because of my "freind", but also the other members. "He" was so normal, and is so abnormal now. I want to try to help him.

Thank you for listening. Your investigative reporting is great.


November 07, 2011 11:13AM
concernedmom83
Date Added: 02/23/2011
Posts: 80
Re: Desteni

Hi,
This is all very interesting. It is my assumption that if a business, group, or yes even a cult has to go to such extremes
to keep their website and forum, WHICH IS THEIR BUSINESS, they are running from something. The law, the authorities,
the truth.

So bernard got kicked off of youtube because they found his material offensive and an MLM. So now he switches everything
to a guy in Sweden, who is on trial and running from the law and in presently missing.

WHAT DOES THIS SAY TO ALL OF YOU DESTENI MEMBERS? If you have a good product that will sell, in a lawful way, bernard
wouldn't have to go through all this, would he? You can come up with all the excuses you want, (I've heard them all), but
honest is honest and dishonest is dishonest. Just like legal is legal and illegal is illegal.

Thanks Sandman, Anticult, Freespeech and all the others who are bringing the truth about desteni cult out.


November 07, 2011 06:39PM
Sandman
Date Added: 06/12/2008
Posts: 295
PRQ Inet KB, Desteni, Scientology, Anonymous, DoS, Visa

My point was that whatever the situation is with Gottfrid Swartholm, it is that PRQ Inet KB, the company he seems to be affiliated with, would be interested to know that in hosting desteni.org they are supporting a group with values diametrically opposed to their own.

[[url=http://prq.se/?intl=1]prq.se[/url]]

I could be wrong, because they do say they specialize in "refugee hosting"... Maybe they wouldn't care and just want the money but then they can't be making that much off of one domain.

There have been some individuals who may be loosely associated with the anti-Scientology group, Anonymous and threatened to issue Denial Of Service attacks on the Desteni website, which is illegal. I don't know but it is possible some attempts were made in the past.

It is a reasonable move on the part of Desteni to go with a server such as PRQ because unlike ordinary servers they will be more capable of shielding the sites from DoS attacks. The more Desteni publicize their scam the more likely such attacks could be attempted.

As to the interesting point made by truthbheard about Visa and Mastercard then this would be a valid and legal way of going about countering Desteni. Poolman admitted in a video that the group had been rejected by PayPal, so they could also be rejected by Visa, Mastercard or any other financial service they use if these companies were to be informed of the nature of the Desteni scam, specifically of the Desteni I Process multi-level marketing pyramid scheme.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/07/2011 06:45PM by Sandman.

Reviewing these posts from 2011...

Desteni.org was registered with the hosting site prq.se but changed servers some time not long after 2011. Then more recently Destonians made the bizarre statement that this forum is hosted by a hosting service based in Sweden:

http://teachersjourneytolife.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/cyberbullies-and-suicide-is-this-murder.html

when it is public knowledge that this forum is hosted in the US, as was the previous culteducation.com domain. Anyone can look it up. This site is not hosted in Sweden.

As for the Destonians enjoyment of the 'love drug', Ecstasy, which Poolman recommended in some of his now deleted videos, this was either stopped after 2011 or it is simply not broadcast in public anymore.