Re: A Sufi Cult
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: August 15, 2017 11:00AM



I used to be afraid of having my smug little syda fantasy life destroyed.

I heard about things I refused to investigate. I hid behind the lie that my
own inner experiences validated and exonerated syda and its gurus. What was
I hiding from? What were we all hiding from when we put on our blinders
along with our rudraksha beads?

I think I was hiding from my vulnerability. Syda seemed to offer me a path
to invulnerability, to a fantastic and infantile vision of safety. Having
rejected syda, I find myself returning to personhood, becoming a regular
person again. Does this seem familiar?

This is how I see it: We have descended from the high mountains of
discipleship and supreme attainment, and where have we arrived? We have
arrived at our brokenness, our human frailty, our flawed natures, our
weakness. We have arrived at our vulnerability, the same vulnerability which
once led us blindly into betrayal and humiliation. But that was because we
were afraid of our vulnerability and we were running away from it. This time
we have arrived at our vulnerability in acceptance of it.

What was all that nonsense about putting on the broad smile of the fantasy

Why did I think I needed to dress up my limping psyche in the royal
colors of the magic kingdom and the phony pride of denial?

Siddha yoga
appeared to be a fortress which would protect me forever from my
vulnerability. After all those years I am discovering that my vulnerability
needs me to accept it, not to run from it, or destroy it, or transcend it.
It now seems to me that this understanding unlocked the gate which held me
inside syda long after my inner voice told me to leave.

Re: A Sufi Cult
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: August 26, 2017 11:23PM

We rarely Google check guru endorsements from friends
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: September 10, 2017 12:56AM

The most effective recruiters for a guru or hidden agenda group are people who do not know that they and their
sincerity are being pimped by their group.

Pimped to to recruit for their guru or group via their existing relationship networks.

The best recruiters are people you already trust. And the best recruiters
are not pushy - enthusiastic.

They are sincerely enthusiastic.

Sincerity is attractive and appealing.

Problem is, sincerity does not in itself prove anything. Sincerity is
like sweet tasting substances.

We are wired to seek out the taste of sweetness.

Sweetness can and has been used to mask the taste of poison.

Those you trust who are sincere, may without their knowledge have had
this very sincerity co-opted by indoctrination experts to serve an agenda of deceit.

Feelings....Only Feelings

These trusted friends, coworkers, a teacher at your children's school, lovers, relatives, even in some
cases, yoga teachers or therapists -- they will be unaware that
their feeling of salvation and transformation has been produced
a set of stimuli deployed by a dishonest group or guru, who are adept at manipulating the neurochemistry of trustful persons.

Feelings are not facts. Feelings are neurological flux elicited by stimuli.

Both crooks and saints can trigger ecstasies.

But the two have very different intents.

A crook may deceive and exploit a charismatic but naive saint. The crook can exploit the dead saint - avatar's reputation.

Persons who feel liberated from their addictions will be unaware that
they have not been freed from their addictions; they have merely
transferred their addiction to a guru or agenda driven group
that, unlike healthy families and participatory democracy, has features
which replicate features of a dysfunctional family in which addiction are fostered and fester. It does not matter if this all can be justified
by ancient tradition or by a human leader claiming to be god or at some
exalted astral-theosophical level of attainment.

Addicts are scared of losing access to their drug dealer. Disciples stab each other in the back and live in fear of losing access to and favor of the guru.

Those persons you trust do not feel exploited, even though
they are being exploited without being aware of it.

You are therefore unlikely to research this leader and group your
sincere, radient friend is involved with.

Even if you do learn alarming information about this group, you
may feel afraid to compromise a valued relationship by taking this
seriously. You may persuade yourself that this is obsolete
information, that it is about a different sect from the one your
friend is in.

You become an enabler for your friend by making these excuses to yourself.

For the rest of the article go here:


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Healing From Purity Centered Authoritarian Aesthetics
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: October 17, 2017 12:32AM

A number of Western Traditionalists and Westernized Sufists have fostered
art movements. Evola was an early participant in the Dada movement. Rene Guenon
influenced the aesthetic theories of many Traditionalists. Guenon was introduced to Sufism by a Swedish artist, Agueli. Guenon influenced Frithjof Schuon.

Gurdjieff had ideas of his own regarding music and dance.

Small excerpts from a long and very interesting article by Joe Szimart

Szimhart followed Clare B Prophet, a theosophical guru-ess who dressed in white
and encouraged her followers to build bunkers.


(CUT stands for Church Universal and Triumphant)

Of Urinals and Dark Forces


An essay on harmful cult influence on an artist

Joe Szimhart
Abstract: This essay discusses cultic influences that affected my career as an artist in the late 1970s. I adopt a suggestion by researcher Ellen Dissanayake that a “behavior of art” means “aesthetic making special.” Dissanayake argues for a biological or evolutionary basis for the aesthetic impulse. That impulse to survive through art led to my desire to find the essence of creative inspiration in Theosophy and its sects because the Modern artists I emulated had pursued Theosophical ideas. My discussion of harmful effects centers primarily on a cult headed by Elizabeth C. Prophet. I also discuss related influences from G.I. Gurdjieff and Nicholas Roerich.


It is natural to view a cult with suspicion or as spurious if you are an outsider. The uninformed outsider will not share the feelings nor appreciate the aesthetic appeal, the language, and the meaning behind the devotion. The outsider may even experience revulsion. The scholar and the journalist may strive to appreciate the phenomenon of a cult aesthetically and historically with no intent to convert or “go native.” However, the natives or members of a cult experience a range of satisfying sensual and intellectual responses to ritual and dogma. Satisfying may not always mean entirely pleasurable, for example, in fire walking or fasting and end times myths or demon attack. Satisfaction comes from knowing that even unpleasant revelations and practices augment personal enlightenment or planetary salvation.

Faith provides enjoyment, but suspicion or doubt increases anxiety in the devotee. To sustain homeostasis in devotion, aesthetic judgment must adjust to the demands of the faith. If cults have aesthetic features that enhance their attractiveness, then members will adapt to these features. In other words, to belong to a cult requires certain adaptations and restrictions of aesthetic judgment in the devotee.


CUT viewed colors as aspects of cosmic “rays” of energy, some of which elevated consciousness while others trapped awareness in lower states. The color aided in one’s ascension or hindered it. For example, ascension-aiding rays were white/purity, yellow/intelligence, blue/god power, green/supply and health, pink/love, rose/deeper love, and violet/purification. The cult avoided black, brown, silver, gray, checkered or patterned colors, red, and muddy shades. The latter colors polluted the energy of the “lower bodies” or physical self composed of earth, air, fire and water. Classical music, certain hymns, Hindu bhajans, and chanted CUT decrees were good sounds but rock music, jazz, rap, and country music were deleterious. Gold jewelry could touch the skin but not silver. Silver as gray energy was too intellectual and lacked love. An organic, raw food diet was best when I was involved but basic vegetarianism was required. Sex was for procreation only and performed only after certain decrees or mantras. Celibacy was better. Sleeping was better metaphysically if on the back with right leg crossed over left and hands over the solar plexus.

In CUT teaching, certain environments like taverns and rock concerts contained dark forces called entities that could attach to one’s “aura” (a kind of personal force field). Newspapers, movies and television shows bombarded the devotee with psychic pollution. Nicotine, alcoholic drinks, sugar, chocolate, and all drugs could cause an entity or demon to lodge in one’s aura. CUT teachings chided devotees to avoid all negative thoughts, argument, anger, fear, jealousy, lust, doubt, and thoughts of feeling sick or crazy. Men’s hair length should not touch the collar and almost all the CUT men were clean-shaven. Modern or abstract art was not good, but realistic religious art enhanced one’s consciousness—Picasso, Camille Pisarro and Jackson Pollock were out while Raphael, Gustav Doré and Roerich were in. Cult teaching invaded all of my senses and appetites.


I thought I was into something new, into a cutting edge revelation that required submission first to achieve clarification with deep understanding coming later.

In subsequent years I learned that most if not all the “new” religious ideas that so intrigued and attracted me were recycled notions re-presented in modern drag or, if you will, a current aesthetic.

Cults continue to reinvent the wheels of human spirituality and too often repeat the mistakes of old and harmful group formations. I also learned that what appears first as a precious opportunity to transform my soul, if that were even possible, can easily convert to a cult of endless submission and mindless ritual.

The wheels merely ran in ruts around and around one leader’s grandiose claims. She wore the crown of the Mother of the Universe! She had the stamp of an ascended host on her metaphysical curriculum vitae! She was the most valuable person living on the planet! Was I willing to pay for the privilege of serving her mission with all I had and with my very life?



Roerich and Gurdjieff inferred that they were specially chosen by some higher power yet all that their disciples had for proof was the guru’s word and a devotee’s personal experience of charisma. Is the lesson here about what we do for our art and not about what our gurus do for our art?

The lesson for me from the cult experience as an artist is complicated. I can no more blame a group’s influence for my lack of creativity or success as an artist than I can blame my career as an exit counselor or mental health professional.

Cults like careers take up a lot of time.

I still exhibit a few paintings a year and attract a commission or win an award now and then but my income from art is negligible. The great artists are not distracted from their quest by jobs and family matters much less by quirky cults. Art is their job notwithstanding cultic influences.

The damage I think occurs more often to sensitive artists who are either early in their creative careers or struggling to establish an oeuvre or art identity.

If a struggling artist buys into the notion that a group or guru’s techniques and influence are necessary for a personal transformation to find one’s artistic identity, then the possibilities of restricting a creative career increase.

Mr. Szimhart suggests that recovering from an authoritarian cult also means re-assessing the aesthetics that form a major part of its doctrine.


I wish to point out how sensual signals perform as “triggers” to stimulate compliance to cult milieu and doctrine. Unloading all the cult-induced meaning (all black is bad) from signs in the environment can seem nearly impossible at first despite therapeutic assistance.

To be effective, I think, therapy of any kind should take into account the context and history of the delusional belief that affects a cult member’s aesthetic world. Most therapists I have known are client-centered and try to honor the cultural beliefs of their clients within reason.

As an exit counselor, I challenge false beliefs by introducing a wider frame of reference based on reasonable evidence—totalist cults by nature restrict information and choice in closed systems. My role is to encourage psychological and intellectual expansion.

For example, one of my clients, a young lady who was a dedicated CUT member for six years, left the cult after talking with me and a colleague for several days. Her parents arranged a non-coercive intervention at their home in Florida. A week later I escorted the now ex-member to the Unbound recovery center in Iowa but it was cold there and she needed a coat. She experienced near panic when, with my encouragement, she tried on a red jacket at a mall.

She was not yet ready for red!

Recovery required months for that ex-member to restore black and red to a wider and positive frame of reference. She needed to learn more about the source of the color code and its flimsy justification to dispel it. In my case, after making the emotional and intellectual adjustments, I could relate to colors appropriately and individually in short order.

In contrast to my client who had little background in comparative occultism, I already knew the history of how conflicted occultists were (and are) over the spiritual effects of color. Goethe saw red as “grave and magnificent” (Goethe, p. 315) whereas the “I AM” cult saw red as anger and charged with inappropriate sexual excitement, and Corinne Heline claims, “Red is the color whereby the Holy Spirit manifests the Activity Principle” (Heline, p. 40).

I was struggling with personal conflict: Was there any ideal or Platonic universal regarding color? Might black always be a negative? This weird color revelation through my daughter reestablished my appreciation for color and styles of art like Cubism prohibited by the cult.

I grasped that I was not capable of finding a universal theme for black, nor was there any compelling reason for me to pursue an absolute. I was neither God nor a god.

Consequently, I could again enjoy a Picasso, a Pisarro and a Pollock if I chose to. However, even if I could afford it, I doubt I would pay millions of dollars for a ceramic urinal even if it is a wonderful, historical joke.

Note: Szimhart wrote,

"If a struggling artist buys into the notion that a group or guru’s techniques and influence are necessary for a personal transformation to find one’s artistic identity, then the possibilities of restricting a creative career increase."

Independantly of Szimhart, Philip Kinnicott, music critic for The Washington Post
wrote that he feared that the composer Thomas de Hartmann's artistic career suffered because the composer submitted to the domination of Gurdjieff.

The Composer and the Musical Guru - Washington Post, 2000



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"we had doctors, lawyers, social workers..."
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: November 03, 2017 03:05AM

These are comments following an article written by a former member of one Sufi group.


Why people stay


AnonymousAugust 14, 2015 at 12:11 PM

Peer Pressure and Lack of Information

Peer pressure is a critical factor in keeping people in cults.

Former members have told me, "In my group we had doctors, lawyers, social workers, people with all kinds of advanced degrees, intelligent people. I would look around, and I'd think, Well, Joe's still doing it. Mary's still doing it. It must be me; it must me. I just don't get it. There is something wrong with me; I just have to try harder."

Cult members feel that way because nobody else is speaking out---because nobody CAN speak out. The one who does feels alone, isolated, contaminated, wrong.

Directly or indirectly, all the cult members actively encourage each other to behave in certain ways. Since we are social animals, it is difficult to resist such pressures.

In addition, the cult's dishonesty about many things keeps members from knowing what is really going on. Members are not only kept from sources of outside information but are also told lies and misrepresentations about the cult, the leader, and the group's activities. The importance or influence of the cult's actions is made larger than it really is; the leader's reputation is embellished, if not fabricated; the number of members or followers is often exaggerated to make the group look larger and more popular; and world events are distorted, as are the outside world's attitudes toward the cult. All these myths bout the cult and the society at large are generally perpetuated not only by the leader but by his inner circle of leadership as well.

The resulting lack of knowledge among most members helps prevent them from making a real assessment of the situation they are in.

Margaret Thaler Singer
Cults In Our Midst - pg. 269-270

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If you are in 12 Step recruiters will mimic recovery lingo
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: November 03, 2017 03:17AM


AnonymousJuly 13, 2015 at 12:02 PM

Healing Intensive Workshop or Retreat

One former member's description of an introductory weekend illustrates why such an impressive process works:

"On the surface it seems simple enough: come to a weekend workshop, learn about some new ideas, try them out; if you don't like it, leave. But a lot more than that is happening. When a person is isolated, he is not in a good position to discover that he is being deceived. Deception and isolation reinforce each other. It begins with physical or geographical isolation.

Perhaps more importantly, you are isolated from your own mind. How can that happen?

If your day starts at seven a.m. and ends at midnight, and is extremely active and filled with group events, it becomes difficult to turn inward and reflect.

By the end of the day when your head hits the pillow, you just do not have the energy to stay awake. In the workshops there is virtually no privacy.

You are intensely pressured to identify with the group. The whole is much more important than the individual….You are put in the position of competing with the interests of the whole, which generates guilt…

The workshop lectures are an emotional rollercoaster and an intellectual barrage. To deal adequately with the concepts explored in a workshop would take months and months, if not years and years. By the end of the workshop, you have been through an intense period of no reflection, constant activity, no privacy, immense pressure toward identification with the group, suspicion of your desires to be separate from the group, roller-coaster emotions, and a barrage of ideas that have left you confused and unsure of yourself."

In addition to these overt examples, certain common and socially accepted interactions might be part of the bag of tricks used by schmoozers, con artists, and cult recruiters to manipulate, influence, control, and, in the end, get recruits to say yes, come back for more, sign up, and make a commitment.

For example, a good recruiter knows that people will respond to certain buzzwords, such as love, peace, brotherhood. He might explain that these idealized goals can be attained if the recruit behaves "properly." In most cases, the desired behavioral change is accomplished in small incremental steps; conversion to the new worldview is a gradual process.

Some methods used during cult recruitment and indoctrination are similar to hypnotic techniques used in various clinical or therapeutic contexts. In a cult environment, however, this type of manipulaton has a dual purpose:to instill deep hypnotic suggestions that are meant to change behavior and patterns of thinking; and to maintain control of the individual.

Recruiters use similar tactics in their mirroring of the interests and attitudes of recruits.

By striking a responsive chord, the recruiter, like the hypnotist, paces the subject from a psychological beginning point, slowly and carefully leading the person to the next stage. If successful, the recruiter will now be able to define the recruit's reality.

A skilled recruiter establishes an environment in which the recruit is made to feel special, loved, among new friends, and a part of something unique. While the recruit is in a susceptible state, verbal and nonverbal messages are directly and indirectly conveyed about proper behavior and thinking patterns.

"It cannot be stated strongly enough," writes Jesse Miller, a clinical psychologist, "that the process of pacing and leading recruits is not only part of the initial indoctrination but is also, along with elaborate reinforcement schedules and the merciless manipulation of guilt and humiliation, an ongoing feature of cult membership."

Cults can exert significant control over the individual, ultimately influencing his mental processes and daily activities and actions, even while he is physically away from the group.

Take Back Your Life
by Janja Lalich and Madeleine Tobias
pages 24-26

You become afraid without wanting to admit you are afraid
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: November 03, 2017 08:37AM

When you have become afraid without admitting you're afraid, your inner life
has been pissed in by an intrusive and controlling group.

This was also listed in the comments section following discussion of
the Sidi/Jaffe group.


Corboy: This list, by 'Moriarty' is excellent. What I am going to to is
supply a few additional observations - in italics.


AnonymousMarch 11, 2015 at 1:07 PM


Here are some key warning signs that may indicate a cult is trying to recruit you:

Hyped Meetings

Rather than explain to you what the group believes or what their program is up front, they will instead insist that you can only understand if you come to a group meeting. There everyone around you will seem so enthusiastic that you will start to think there is something wrong with you. They create an environment where you will feel uncomfortable and the only way to become comfortable is to join them. This is an application of controlled peer pressure.


Another method is, let the target be aware that this is a very, prestigious, special group. Drop a few words about initiation. Your friend may say he or she is unavailable due to a retreat, day of silence. If you ask, they'll tell you that it is confidential. Perhaps they may scold you for being pushy.

Over time, this person may say they described you to their spiritual director or preceptor. This authority figure may have said you have special talent.

The friend may give you a book. This may be a test. If you really dig the book, this may be a signal that you're a promising recruit.

All this may be a set up to pique your curiosity.

Intense Unrelenting Pressure

They call repeatedly. Trick you into coming for only an hour and then lead you into a long study, meeting or talk. They have to keep the pressure on, otherwise you might snap out of the mind control environment they are trying to immerse you in.


A group might not seem to apply pressure. You may have a life crisis.
Your may ask your friend to recommend a psychic reader or life coach.

Your friend may be entangled with a counselor who is part of a secretive lodge.

Once you're a client, whatever you say may no longer be private.


This is a preemptive strike against the warnings from friends and family members which they know will come. In fact, some cults go so far as to tell you that Satan will try and dissuade you by sending family members and friends to tell you it is a cult. When this tactic is used then often a warped form of logic occurs in the recruits' mind, the "agents of Satan" do come and tell them that it is a cult. So since the group predicted that would happen, the group therefore must be true! Basically if any group tells you that they are not a cult, or that some people call them a cult, then for goodness sake find out why!


They joke about being a cult, right at the start.

You may be told there was discord years back and the ones calling it a cult are the ones in the other group. Or you're told some members 'kicked themselves out'.

You may be so afraid to compromise your friendship or be so dependent on the counselor your pal recommended that you may ignore or rationalize any warnings you're given by well informed outsiders.


(not all necessary)
Single charismatic leader.
People always seeming happy and enthusiastic.
Instant friends.
If you are told who you can or cannot talk to or associate with.
They hide what they teach.
Say they are the only TRUE group, or the best so why go anywhere else.
Hyped meetings, get you to meetings rather than share with you.
Experiential rather than logical.
Asking for money for the next level.
Saying that they have to make people pay for it because otherwise they will not appreciate it. This is of course a very silly reason, plenty of people are able to appreciate things which they did not pay for.

Cults know that if they can control your relationships then they can control you. Whether we like it or not we are all profoundly affected by those around us. When you first go to a cult they will practice "love bombing", where they arrange instant friends for you. It will seem wonderful, how could such a loving group be wrong? But you soon learn that if you ever disagree with them, or ever leave the cult then you will lose all your new "friends". This unspoken threat influences your actions in the cult. Things that normally would have made you complain will pass by silently because you don't want to be ostracized. Like an unhealthy relationship love is turned on and off to control.


Disrupting friendships with the person who recruited you is another way for the group to monopolize your emotional life. By this point you may be
involved with a group member who, unlike your friend, has become an authority figure in your life, someone on whom you have become dependent for guidance.

The friend who recruited you into the group may suddenly vanish or reject you with zero explanation. They may be told something fake that leads to them avoiding you. Or you're told something fake that leads to you avoiding your

If you're told a secret and told not to tell your friend this secret, you're made to feel special, you're burdened with a secret -- and worst of all,
you're estranged from your friend. This is an effective and evil way to disrupt your pre existing friendship once you're in the group along with the pal who recruited you.

You may find yourself clamming up around friends who are outside of the group.
Eventually the strain of keeping quiet around your outside friends is so great, you drop those friendships and socialize only inside of the group.

Thus you drop outside relationships without being told to do so.

Privacy is mutual and consensual. Both of you have all cards on the table. You both consent to keep quiet. A secret is imposed on you. Secrets exist amid power imbalances. And, all too often secrets carry a burden of fear and you end up being unable to think clearly about them.

Cults also try to cut you off from your friends and family because they hate others being able to influence you. A mind control cult will seek to maneuver your life so as to maximize your contact with cult members and minimize your contact with people outside the group, especially those who oppose your involvement.

'maneuver your life' -- see above


Everyone is encouraged to watch out for "struggling" brothers and sisters and report what they see to leadership. Cult leaders will then use this information to convince their members that they have a supernatural link, the trusting member does not suspect the very natural mechanism behind the supernatural revelations they are given.

Corboy: Or the cult leader uses this information to disrupt friendships within the group - see above. Really astute cult leaders are like chess grandmasters. They break up friendship pairs and groups that could potentially generate
zones of loyalty independent of the leader.


Mind control cults keep their members so busy with meetings and activities that they become too busy and too tired to think about their cult involvement.

Time control also helps the cult keep their members immersed in the manufactured cult environment.

And time control helps keep members away from friends and family.


If a cult keeps you busy, busy busy, eventually it may seem
quite natural to decide to move closer to where the group has its

No more long commutes.

A friend in the group may even
tell you that an affordable apartment or house has become available in the neighborhood. They may route you to a job opportunity that just happens
to be tied to the group. Then you decide to move to the area....
you are becoming an inmate and you do not even realize it.

Many posts and links by Moriarty at

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Re: A Sufi Cult
Posted by: sagamo ()
Date: November 18, 2017 02:50PM

The first wife of Ibrahim Jaffe, his real name is Robert Torin Jaffe and he was a Jew, was my sister birgit- she died of cancer and her husband could not help her - 2 Days before she died, our father was forced by Ibrahim to buy medicine for my sister for 35 000 $ - she died with her father by her side - Ibrahim forced my father to pay the funeral - one year after my sister passed away Ibrahim married a 20 year old women and gave his 11 & 13 years old children to his old,ill parents - with the money from my father they raised the children up, while Ibrahim witness 3 other children
Ibrahim is a liar - his illness is a nessesary fairy tale,to gain trust, the requirement to made the students dependent
Ibrahim is a charlatan, he exploit the search for a better life and love and pull a lot of money out of the people’s pocket for his goog life
He manipulated my sisters life, forced during his marriage with my sister nearly 500 000$ from our father, destroyed the life of my parents and made his first two children to orphans
This men knows nothing about INNER LOVE

Re: A Sufi Cult
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: December 29, 2017 05:01AM

This statement came up in a discussion of a guru.

It gets to the heart of the issue.


Jasun Horsley
APRIL 10, 2017 AT 1:54 PM REPLY
Critical faculties are, IMO, insufficient protection when it comes to charismatic leaders skilled in finding and pulling emotional/energetic triggers, patterns of abandonment and trauma and imprinting us with their own words and presence while in that raw state. It is like accelerated transference and there’s no rational protection against it if you are susceptible (a good match for the teacher) and unless you are forewarned.

APRIL 10, 2017 AT 7:06 PM REPLY
You may be right. I noticed in one of your articles about Leonard Cohen you said that you had come to the conclusion that you couldn’t any longer trust your gut feeling. I agree with that. And I can envision situations where I might make a wrong decision about a particular guru. But this guy? First of all claiming to be Christ would raise a huge red flag for me. And all the staring followed by platitudes? He sounds like the Barack Obama of gurus. Definitely hearing about and reading up on these people is a huge help. You’re doing a good service here. I probably would not have heard of him otherwise.

Jasun Horsley
APRIL 10, 2017 AT 7:13 PM REPLY
John doesn’t ever publicly claim to be Christ; he has let it be known among long-term followers and then continues to nurture that belief through hints and nods and innuendos. As Tim says in our talk, he rules through implication.

Full article and discussion here - very intense, about a 30 to 45 minute read.

Ignorance is Strength: John de Ruiter’s Empire of One


Re: A Sufi Cult
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: January 18, 2018 11:03PM



Thank you puddington for the Rachael Bernstein link.

Corboy note: here is the link to the RB video


1. Is there a power difference between the leader and the follower that requires unquestioning devotion?

2. Do the teachings change over time to accommodate the whims of the leader?

3. Is there deception about what you are signing up for?

4. Are there secret teachings that you only find out about after you are fully indoctrinated?

5. Does it require leaving behind relationships (e.g. family) for the group?

6. Are there a few rules for the leadership and many rules for the followers?

7. Are the followers required to answer to the leader while the leader is not accountable to anyone?

8. Does the teaching have a goal or purpose, or is the real purpose just to control the followers?

9. Is there only lateral growth of the individual resulting in continued immaturity?

10. If you question something about the group, are you told it is your reactive mind, Satan, etc. and the problem is you – not the group?

11. Is there a code of secrecy protected by fear of something bad happening to you or your loved ones if you mention it or leave the group?

12. Are you told that you are specially chosen as “saviors” of the world, as long as you remain in the group?

I would answer, “Yes” to all twelve. Perhaps you cannot help but notice that many of these points would also apply to Jesus and his followers and therefore brand them as a destructive cult – something many cult leaders use as an example to manipulate their followers into thinking they are just like Jesus.

I would suggest that the big difference is that Jesus is God and is looking out for our good and a cult leader is a thief that wants to take the place of God for personal gain.

The fruit of obedience is completely different.

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