First I would like to say hello to all of you and to express how grateful I am to have found this very useful website.

Let me quickly introduce myself, I am French (so please forgive in advance my broken english) and for a couple of years I've noticed in my country some growing cultish activities.

I guess a turning point was the Solar Temple collective suicide that involved several French celebrities.

This event made me realize that cults were not only fancy organisations with funnily dressed gurus, meditative music and followers dancing in a kind of trance, but that cults can also kill.

After typing "raelian" in the forum and getting zero result, I thought it could be worthwile to start a discussion about this cultish movement (sorry if it has already been discussed).

Rael movement initiated in France. The database links to many relevant articles dealing with the specificities of the raelian movement.

I would like to add a personal experience I had with this movement. It was springtime about twenty years ago in Southeastern France (Aveyron county). I was doing some truit fishing along a small wild river when I started to get a very strong allergy (sneezing, crying, nose running, etc.). The allergy was so strong that I could barely see anything any more. I started to get afraid to lose my way so I started to look around and saw a blurred old house a few hundreds of meters away from the river.

I walked towards the house. Some people went towards me. I explained them that I had a strong allergy and couldn't see much. They made me sit outside their property and gave me some water. I cleaned my eyes and got back my breath.

After a few minutes I could see better and I realized that I was sitting next to a big swimming pool that was surrounded with naked people.

Then the guy that gave me some water explained to me where I was. This huge house was the summercamp of the raelian movement.

Everybody was living naked and actually everybody was having sex with everybody. He also told me that in order to respect nature, children were also having sex. He said he had two children and that it is a great privilege for a parent when rael accepts to have sex with a children.

Well I had recovered and I started to understand in what kinf of weirdos place I had stumbled. So I proposed to leave. This guy told me I should stay because Rael should arrive very soon.

Indeed a few minutes later, Rael was reaching the place. He was driving a pink convertible BMW (quite unusual and extravagant in France) and his passenger was a typical blond bimbo with short skirt and high heels.

The guy who had helped me introduced me to Rael. After a quick introduction he started to promote the raelian life while trying to enrol me : "look at this nice castle we are living in", "we have many other properties", "see all those beautiful women", "here men can have sex with any women", etc.

Well he saw that his speech didn't have much impact and after thanking him for help I left the place and went back fishing.

Later on I saw Rael a couple of time on TV, he was talking about genetics, building spaceships, creating clones. Each time I couldn't stop thinking about what this guy had told me : "it is a great privilege for a parent when rael accepts to have sex with a children"

I thought it could be worthwile that I share with you a direct testimony about the life inside Rael's summer headquarter.

There are actually some threads about the Raelians...you need to press the SEARCH ALL DATES option, as the default is only 30 days..

you may want to repost your comment in the main thread about them called...

Raelian Movement?
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Shouldn't any first hand reports of child abuse, in any circumstance, be immediately be reported to the authorities? They might send an undercover officer in there, and see what is happening...

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The Anticult
There are actually some threads about the Raelians...you need to press the SEARCH ALL DATES option, as the default is only 30 days..

you may want to repost your comment in the main thread about them called...

Thank you for this information, I will repost my message in the existing Raelian thread.

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The Anticult
Shouldn't any first hand reports of child abuse, in any circumstance, be immediately be reported to the authorities? They might send an undercover officer in there, and see what is happening...

I didn't see any sexual interaction per se. I only saw naked people around the swimming pool and some adults flirting. However the guy who gave me water told me that sex was free (including children).

I edited my initial message in order to clarify this point.

Though I didn't witness sexual chidren activities I could have reported what I heard. I didn't. When I left this place it was like unreal, I just wanted to wake up and to forget.

In addition it's only later that I got confirmation that indeed there were some very weird things going on in the Raelian movement, at the time there was no Internet and almost no information about this movement. I didn't know if what this guy had said was true.

The raelians like nutity and sexual freedom (the right to have sex in any form they want between consenting adults) but are against sexuality with children. Both specialists of religion James R. Lewis (An Encyclopedia of Contemporary Myth) and Susan Palmer (Alien's Adored: Rael's UFO religion) confirm this view. Also Massimo Introvigne and J.Gordon Melton from the CESNUR (Center of Study of the New Religions), international association grouping specialists on the new religions internationally, have published a book (Pour en finir avec les sectes- "To End the Cults") where they confirm that rumors have taken priority upon rigorous studies. Their studies of many new movements have confirmed that many rumors are not true, specifically the one about the raelians and pedophilia. Also the raelians have a website [www.nopedo.org], which works against pedophillia and are helping society to denounce pedophiles. There is also a message on the home page of the raelian website www.rael.org for pedophiles (bottom of page) that debunk this rumor about raelians having sex with children. But I guess, as long as people like "consciousness" will propagate this rumor, it will continue. That is why rigorous methods are so important to get to the bottom of things. Knowing what is and is not rumors is science and help society overall by targeting the real problems instead of going after the fog of the rumors. But it is interesting how a rumor can propagate for those who study that phenomenon. We have an example right here with what "consciousness" has written.
Here is the text I found on the raelian homepage using the link "Message to pedophiles":

Excerpt from raelian website:

"Even if we are in favor of sexual freedom between consenting adults, if you are a pedophile you are definitely not welcome in the Raelian movement. Not only because our position is very clear condemning it as a mental disease, but also because, contrary to the politics of the Catholic church which has been hiding pedophile priests (see nopedo.org) and moving them from parish to parish so they can make more victims of their disgusting behavior, the Raelian movement has a strict policy of not only expelling immediately any member suspected of pedophilia or sex with people under legal age BUT ALSO to immediately report them to the police."

"Some of you may have been attracted to our philosophy due to defamatory articles in French speaking newspapers and magazines, stating that our philosophy being in favor of sexual freedom would then favor pedophilia. The reality is strictly the opposite. When individuals have a fulfilled sexual life, they don't even think of imposing their sexuality on children, unlike Catholic Priests unfortunately do, due to their lack of sexuality. ...
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Cultconsciousness
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I guess a turning point was the Solar Temple collective suicide that involved several French celebrities.

This event made me realize that cults were not only fancy organisations with funnily dressed gurus, meditative music and followers dancing in a kind of trance, but that cults can also kill.
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Cults have destroyed alot of people's lives as well. Its not just the physical damage you see on the outside. They have created alot of damage people. (Its about time that high school students should start learning about the dangers of cults. I dont know why it isnt being done.)

But yes cults can kill. Some cults are not just dangerious to their followers (Jim Jone's the People's Temple, Solar Temple, Heaven's Gate etc) but they can pose serious dangers to society (like the Aum cult with their infamous Tokyo nerve gas attack). I'm sure there are quite a number of cults developing weopons of mass distruction (its scary if you ask me). I'm also sure there are cults that wants to to overthrow governments or at least have strong political influence in governments.

mletou:

Are you serious?

Gordon Melton is paid by cults to his "research."

Melton, Susan Palmer, James Lewis and Introvigne have all been called "cult apologists."

See [www.culteducation.com]

Their commentary and research is not credible.

The "Cult Awareness Network" was taken over by Scientology after it was bankrupted through Scientology lawsuits.

See [www.culteducation.com]

Credible scholars have lamented the corruption within academia by cult apologists.

See [www.culteducation.com]

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mletou
Also the raelians have a website [www.nopedo.org], which works against pedophillia and are helping society to denounce pedophiles. There is also a message on the home page of the raelian website www.rael.org for pedophiles (bottom of page)

Serioulsy do you think that the raelians would advertise their pedophile activities ?

It's not because the raelians write disclaimers about pedophilia that there is no pedophile activity within the raelian movement.

That's the usual stance of pedophiles declaring that they love children, that they would never hurt children, that if they found a pedophile they would kill him.

The problem is that sometimes there are some discrepencies between what one says and what one does.

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mletou
But I guess, as long as people like "consciousness" will propagate this rumor, it will continue.

What I heard directly from a raelian member in their summer headquarter is : "in order to respect nature, children were also having sex. He said he had two children and that it is a great privilege for a parent when rael accepts to have sex with a children."

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mletou
That is why rigorous methods are so important to get to the bottom of things. Knowing what is and is not rumors is science and help society overall by targeting the real problems instead of going after the fog of the rumors. But it is interesting how a rumor can propagate for those who study that phenomenon. We have an example right here with what "consciousness" has written.

The French cult prevention organization has published a couple of interesting articles about pedophilia in the raelian movement (http://www.prevensectes.com/rael74.htm)

Here is a trial report (personal translation): "Sarine county court has stated that the content of the books that contributes to the [raelian] movement doctrine can 'behind any doubt lead to illegal behaviours towards children' "

And here is a translation of the first lines of an article written by Mr Deslauriers (who was a member of the raelian movement). This article was published in Apocalypse International, number 64 :

"... Love or sexual relationships between adults and children, that are strongly condemned by the society and its laws, revolts most parents. Here are some personal thoughts, in the light of the teaching of our creators, the Elohims. These thougts aim to start a dedramatization of this topic. Pleasure shouldn't be reserved to adults. Sexuality shouldn't either....From birth sexual organs are working : it means that they are ready to give pleasure to the individual, even if it's a child. And a child who learns earlier to draw pleasure from his body, from others' bodies, from his senses, develops his intelligence earlier. Pleasure generates stimulis. Thus an awakening of the sleeping cells happens and the indiviual's potential intelligence increases thanks to the new resulting neuronal connexions..."

10 years after this article, Vorilhon (Rael) who had lost his trial against the newspaper "La Liberté" (see above) was constrained to disclaim Deslaurier's article and that's what he did in Apocalypse International, number 108.

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mletou
The raelians like nutity and sexual freedom (the right to have sex in any form they want between consenting adults) but are against sexuality with children. Both specialists of religion James R. Lewis (An Encyclopedia of Contemporary Myth) and Susan Palmer (Alien's Adored: Rael's UFO religion) confirm this view. Also Massimo Introvigne and J.Gordon Melton from the CESNUR (Center of Study of the New Religions), international association grouping specialists on the new religions internationally, have published a book (Pour en finir avec les sectes- "To End the Cults") where they confirm that rumors have taken priority upon rigorous studies. Their studies of many new movements have confirmed that many rumors are not true, specifically the one about the raelians and pedophilia. Also the raelians have a website [www.nopedo.org], which works against pedophillia and are helping society to denounce pedophiles. There is also a message on the home page of the raelian website www.rael.org for pedophiles (bottom of page) that debunk this rumor about raelians having sex with children. But I guess, as long as people like "consciousness" will propagate this rumor, it will continue. That is why rigorous methods are so important to get to the bottom of things. Knowing what is and is not rumors is science and help society overall by targeting the real problems instead of going after the fog of the rumors. But it is interesting how a rumor can propagate for those who study that phenomenon. We have an example right here with what "consciousness" has written.
Here is the text I found on the raelian homepage using the link "Message to pedophiles":

Excerpt from raelian website:

"Even if we are in favor of sexual freedom between consenting adults, if you are a pedophile you are definitely not welcome in the Raelian movement. Not only because our position is very clear condemning it as a mental disease, but also because, contrary to the politics of the Catholic church which has been hiding pedophile priests (see nopedo.org) and moving them from parish to parish so they can make more victims of their disgusting behavior, the Raelian movement has a strict policy of not only expelling immediately any member suspected of pedophilia or sex with people under legal age BUT ALSO to immediately report them to the police."

"Some of you may have been attracted to our philosophy due to defamatory articles in French speaking newspapers and magazines, stating that our philosophy being in favor of sexual freedom would then favor pedophilia. The reality is strictly the opposite. When individuals have a fulfilled sexual life, they don't even think of imposing their sexuality on children, unlike Catholic Priests unfortunately do, due to their lack of sexuality. ...
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I wish I would have seen this earlier. What a crock. This guy is part of the Raelian movement so of course he defends them



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/04/2008 07:38AM by nellejohn.

this cult is horible!!!!! if they like to have sex with childrens they have to be stopped NOW!!! i hope they NEVER come to kenya!! I am sick of these cults. I want to do what i can to stop any cult like this to come to kenya