Re: "New World Translation" Jehovah's Witness bible
Posted by:
TheLambOfGod
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Date: November 26, 2007 10:48AM
Answering Brian's question about how to authentic Bible translations. It's simple 'The Bible' translation's that most people use were translated back in the 16th century as 'The New World Translation' was done in this century. I know what your thinking, but doesn't a re-print count? No it doesn't.
The name Jehovah is the most frequently used name in The Bible. The name Jehovah in the original biblical manuscripts is used over 6,823 times. The name Jehovah is known as the Tetragrammaton, four Hebrew letters that are transliterated as YHWH or JHVH. The Hebrew vowels were not included, so a German Christian transliterated The Bible into Latin for a Pope…JeHoVaH.
Tyndale’s translation of the Pentateuch appeared as ‘Iehouah’ in 1530 and then the name passed onto other Protestant Bibles. The English transcription ‘Iehovah’ is found in the 1611 edition of the King James Bible, and during the 1762-1769 edit of the King James Bible the spelling ‘Iehovah’ was changed to ‘Jehovah’.
Despite the fact that God’s true name ‘YHWH’ or ‘JHVH’ was used over 6,823 time on original manuscripts and early Bibles, nowadays the name only appears about 8 times in modern Bibles without any explanation to why Bible Publishers have removed God’s most Holy and Sacred name?
‘The New World Translation’ is the only modern Bible that has gone back and put God’s most Holy and Sacred name Jehovah back in The Bible. If people are so against 'The New World Translation', then how do they explain how God's name is missing close to 7,000 times. If you have faith and respect for God wouldn't you want the true picture. If anyone wants to check the original biblcial manuscripts there welcome to do it.
I am not saying that being a JW is the way. All I am saying is that since the Church refuse to do what the Berean's did, why should I trust them, especially when The Bible has been changed and perverted. Say what you like about the 'NWT' at least they didn't hide God's name close 7,000 times.
Matthew 4:4
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of Jehovah.’
Acts 17:11
Now the Bereans were of more noble character then the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/26/2007 08:59PM by rrmoderator.
The name Jehovah is the most frequently used name in The Bible. The name Jehovah in the original biblical manuscripts is used over 6,823 times. The name Jehovah is known as the Tetragrammaton, four Hebrew letters that are transliterated as YHWH or JHVH. The Hebrew vowels were not included, so a German Christian transliterated The Bible into Latin for a Pope…JeHoVaH.
Tyndale’s translation of the Pentateuch appeared as ‘Iehouah’ in 1530 and then the name passed onto other Protestant Bibles. The English transcription ‘Iehovah’ is found in the 1611 edition of the King James Bible, and during the 1762-1769 edit of the King James Bible the spelling ‘Iehovah’ was changed to ‘Jehovah’.
Despite the fact that God’s true name ‘YHWH’ or ‘JHVH’ was used over 6,823 time on original manuscripts and early Bibles, nowadays the name only appears about 8 times in modern Bibles without any explanation to why Bible Publishers have removed God’s most Holy and Sacred name?
‘The New World Translation’ is the only modern Bible that has gone back and put God’s most Holy and Sacred name Jehovah back in The Bible. If people are so against 'The New World Translation', then how do they explain how God's name is missing close to 7,000 times. If you have faith and respect for God wouldn't you want the true picture. If anyone wants to check the original biblcial manuscripts there welcome to do it.
I am not saying that being a JW is the way. All I am saying is that since the Church refuse to do what the Berean's did, why should I trust them, especially when The Bible has been changed and perverted. Say what you like about the 'NWT' at least they didn't hide God's name close 7,000 times.
Matthew 4:4
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of Jehovah.’
Acts 17:11
Now the Bereans were of more noble character then the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/26/2007 08:59PM by rrmoderator.
Re: "New World Translation" Jehovah's Witness bible
Posted by:
rrmoderator
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Date: November 26, 2007 09:02PM
TheLambofGod:
This response was moved to its own thread because it was off topic.
Those interested may respond and discuss the new topic here.
The NWT remains a very controversial "translation" of the bible used by Jehovah's Witnesses.
It is often dismissed by bible scholars as deeply flawed, poorly done and contrived by the Witnesses for dogmatic purposes.
This response was moved to its own thread because it was off topic.
Those interested may respond and discuss the new topic here.
The NWT remains a very controversial "translation" of the bible used by Jehovah's Witnesses.
It is often dismissed by bible scholars as deeply flawed, poorly done and contrived by the Witnesses for dogmatic purposes.
Re: "New World Translation" Jehovah's Witness bible
Posted by:
sadkimmy
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Date: November 27, 2007 01:34AM
Have you read the forwards/prefaces of the NIV and NASB versions? They do mention the YHWH issue. From what I understand, in the NIV, YHWH is translated "LORD" all in caps. Maybe other versions have a similar statement, I just don't have them handy. Don't just go by what I say, please check them out. After you do, in light of that, I don't know if you will feel things have been hidden or taken out.
As for mentioning God expressly as YHWH or not, I think it is well understood who is being spoken about. Do you think we need to use that specific way to refer to God?
As for mentioning God expressly as YHWH or not, I think it is well understood who is being spoken about. Do you think we need to use that specific way to refer to God?
Re: "New World Translation" Jehovah's Witness bible
Posted by:
firstplumbline
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Date: November 27, 2007 02:31AM
Here is my take
the WTBS teach that not all JW`s are part of the 144,000 and the faithfull witnesses are dead spiritually.
this is what the WTBS say about their OBEDIENT SLAVES.
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Since the days of Rutherford, the Watchtower Society has defined a two-class system of believers: the anointed class (144,000) and the great crowd (originally called the Jonadab class).
The Watchtower insists that only the anointed are "born again," and that, technically, Jesus is the mediator for that small group alone. They teach that the great crowd cannot look to Jesus as their mediator
(Watchtower, 1 April 1979, p. 31). The vast majority of Jehovah's Witnesses fall into the great crowd category, which is also called the 'other sheep.' They have traditionally been excluded from upper-level leadership and decision making because the Watchtower teaches that they have spiritual handicaps. More importantly, they are also taught that they are not anointed with the Holy Spirit, nor does God communicate directly with them.. Instead, the average Jehovah's Witness believes that (s)he must "come to Jehovah's organization for salvation" (Watchtower, 15 November 1981, p. 21).
The Watchtower Society claims that is "God's sole collective channel of communication from heaven to earth for the flow of Biblical truth to men on earth ..." (Watchtower, 07/15/60 pg. 439), and that "Jehovah never makes mistakes... he is consistent, credible and true in his word (Watchtower 195, p.327). But the doctrinal flip flops of the WT Society show that either God does not give right information to his channel, or this channel is used by someone else - according to the Society, Satan himself!
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"When Jesus was on earth as a man, he was a Hebrew, and now in his capacity as Jehovah's royal Executioner he is called by the Hebrew name Abad'don, which means Destruction. (Job 26:6; 28:22; 31:12; 12:23; 14:19) In the Greek in which the inspired Christian Scriptures were written his similar title is Apollyon, which means Destroyer." (Watchtower 12/1/1961, pp. 719)
F.W. Franz during his Scotland trial was asked this question (p.39-40) by the attorney
"is there any unique element in association between the belief in the existence of the various ranks of angels and their activities in relation to J.W .'s" Franz states "well we believe that the angels of God are used in directing J.W.'s."
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Here here I feel they are breaking their own rulings and the Bibles of having no communication - with spirits.
This fact is blatantly clear when they used Grebers Translation of John 1:1 "a god". Greber and his wife were spirit mediums who received this translation by the words passing before his eyes. The W.T supported him as a scholar with running a full page in their Feb.15 1956 W.T. and quoted his translation in 1962 p.5 9/15 1962, The Word p.554, Make Sure of All Things p.489 1965, Aid to Bible Understanding 1969, the Word p.1134 &1669, Even as late as W.T. p.640 8/15 1975 they quoted him knowing his trafficking in the Occult.
The Jesus of the Watchtower is an angel yet they receive revelation not only from him but other angels (whatever their secret names may be). What is even more confounding is their current opinion on who Jesus is. In 1917 they held a closer to orthodox view, That Apollyon in Revelation 9:11 was the destroyer whose name is Satan (Finished Mystery C.H. Russell). However in the Watchtower May, 1 1992 it said "A plague of locusts, sent forth by Jehovah under a king, the angel of the abyss " who is none other than Jesus Christ. His names Abaddon (Hebrew) and Apollyon (Greek) mean destruction and destroyer. These locusts picture the anointed remnant of Christians who, now in the Lord's day, go forth to devastate Christendom's pastures by completely exposing false religion and proclaiming Jehovah's vengeance upon it". We find that it is the "remaining anointed Christians are reinforced by more than 4 million "other sheep" together making up an irresistible Calvary. !" (Shades of Joel's army of the Vineyard !)
This would imply that the J.W.'s are out right with prof that, they're following the angel of the abyss who has deceived them to fight against the Christian church.
I have found that despite the fact that they once believed Apollyon was Satan with i quote
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"When Jesus was on earth as a man, he was a Hebrew, and now in his capacity as Jehovah's royal Executioner he is called by the Hebrew name Abad'don, which means Destruction. (Job 26:6; 28:22; 31:12; 12:23; 14:19) In the Greek in which the inspired Christian Scriptures were written his similar title is Apollyon, which means Destroyer." (Watchtower 12/1/1961, pp. 719)
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Abaddon: (Hebrew for "The Destroyer"; in Greek, Apollyon) A demon described in the Bible as "the angel of the bottomless pit" (Revelation 9:11).
here are a few other names for Satan
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Other names for Satan which Christians believe can be found in the Bible include Abaddon (Revelation 9:11), Accuser of our brothers (Revelation 12:10), Ancient serpent ((Revelation 12:9; 20:2), Angel of the Abyss (Revelation 9:11), Apollyon (Revelation 9:11), Beelzebub (Matthew 12:24), Belial (2 Corinthians 6:15), Coiling serpent (Isaiah 27:1), Dominion of darkness (Colossians 1:13), Dragon (Isaiah 27:1, Revelation 20:2), Enemy (Matthew 13:39, 1 Peter 5:Cool, Evil one (Matthew 13:19, 380, Evil spirit (1 Samuel 16:14, Matthew 12:43), Father of lies (John 8:44), Gliding serpent (Isaiah 27:1), God of this age (2 Corinthians 4:4), Leviathan (Isaiah 27:1), Liar (John 8:44), Lying spirit (1 Kings 22:22), Murderer (John 8:44), Powers of this dark world (Ephesians 6:12), Prince of demons (Matthew 12:24), Prince of this world (John 14:30), Red dragon (Revelation 12:3), Ruler of the kingdom of the air (Ephesians 2:2), Satan (1 Chronicles 21:1, Job 1:6), Serpent (Genesis 3:4, 14; 2 Corinthians 11:3), Spirit that works in those disobedient (Ephesians 2:2), Tempter (Matthew 4:3; 1 Thessalonians 3:5). [Taken from Naves Topical Bible (NIV), Hodder and Stoughton, 1992
Here are a few from the Satanic Bible.
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The Satanic Bible lists these 'infernal' names: Abaddon, Adramelech, Ahpuch, Ahriman, Amon, Apollyn, Asmodeus, Astaroth, Azazel, Baalberith, Balaam, Baphomet, Bast, Beelzebub, Behemoth, Beherit, Bile, Chemosh, Cimeries, Coyote, Dagon, Damballa, Demogorgon, Daibolus, Dracula, Emma-O, Euronymous, Fenriz, Gorgo, Haborym, Hecate, Ishtar, Kali, Lilith, Loki, Mammon, Mania, Mantus, Marduk, Mastema, Melek Taus, Mephistopheles, Metztli, Mictian, Midgard, Milcom, Moloch, Mormo, Naamah, Nergal, Nihasa, Nija, O-Yama, Pan, Pluto, Proserpine, Pwcca, Rimmon, Sabazios, Sammael, Samnu, Sedit, Sekhmet, Set, Shaitan (Satan), Shamad, Shiva, Supay, T'an-mo, Tchort, Tezcatlipoca, Thamuz, Thoth, Tunrida, Typhon, Yaotzin, Yen-lo-Wang.
The Jw`s believe that Abaddon is now currently Jesus, the angel of the Abyss. Once again the light is getting dimmer instead of brighter. Of course this would only make sense if the light bearer is Lucifer who is bringing it in the first place.
The Jesus/michael of the WTBS is Satan him self.
this is what the Bible says about Satan.
In Greek, the three words are respectively Abysson, Abaddon, Apollyon.
The Abyss is neither Hades, Hell, or the Lake of Fire. Here is what the Bible says about this dreadful place.
Luke 8:31 Demons begged Jesus not to order them to go there
Rev 9:1, 20:1 Like Death and Hades, the Abyss has a key to lock beings inside.
Rev 9:2 The Abyss is a smoke-filled pit.
Rev 9:3 Special locusts that tormented men for five months came from the Abyss.
Rev 9:11 The King of the locusts, the angel of the Abyss is Abaddon (Hebrew), Apollyon (Greek)
Rev 11:7 The beast that kills the two witnesses is from the Abyss.
Rev 17:8 The beast the woman sits on comes out of the Abyss.
Rev 20:2 Satan will be locked in the Abyss for 1,000 years. It is interesting that Satan is chained as well as thrown in there.
Rev 20:3 It will be sealed shut for 1,000 years.
Rev 20:7 The Abyss will be a prison for Satan. (No mention of torment though.)
Abaddon, destruction, is mentioned in Job 31:12, 36:6, 38:12
Ps 88:11
Prov 15:11, 27:20
the WTBS teach that not all JW`s are part of the 144,000 and the faithfull witnesses are dead spiritually.
this is what the WTBS say about their OBEDIENT SLAVES.
Quote:
Since the days of Rutherford, the Watchtower Society has defined a two-class system of believers: the anointed class (144,000) and the great crowd (originally called the Jonadab class).
The Watchtower insists that only the anointed are "born again," and that, technically, Jesus is the mediator for that small group alone. They teach that the great crowd cannot look to Jesus as their mediator
(Watchtower, 1 April 1979, p. 31). The vast majority of Jehovah's Witnesses fall into the great crowd category, which is also called the 'other sheep.' They have traditionally been excluded from upper-level leadership and decision making because the Watchtower teaches that they have spiritual handicaps. More importantly, they are also taught that they are not anointed with the Holy Spirit, nor does God communicate directly with them.. Instead, the average Jehovah's Witness believes that (s)he must "come to Jehovah's organization for salvation" (Watchtower, 15 November 1981, p. 21).
The Watchtower Society claims that is "God's sole collective channel of communication from heaven to earth for the flow of Biblical truth to men on earth ..." (Watchtower, 07/15/60 pg. 439), and that "Jehovah never makes mistakes... he is consistent, credible and true in his word (Watchtower 195, p.327). But the doctrinal flip flops of the WT Society show that either God does not give right information to his channel, or this channel is used by someone else - according to the Society, Satan himself!
Quote:
"When Jesus was on earth as a man, he was a Hebrew, and now in his capacity as Jehovah's royal Executioner he is called by the Hebrew name Abad'don, which means Destruction. (Job 26:6; 28:22; 31:12; 12:23; 14:19) In the Greek in which the inspired Christian Scriptures were written his similar title is Apollyon, which means Destroyer." (Watchtower 12/1/1961, pp. 719)
F.W. Franz during his Scotland trial was asked this question (p.39-40) by the attorney
"is there any unique element in association between the belief in the existence of the various ranks of angels and their activities in relation to J.W .'s" Franz states "well we believe that the angels of God are used in directing J.W.'s."
Quote:
Here here I feel they are breaking their own rulings and the Bibles of having no communication - with spirits.
This fact is blatantly clear when they used Grebers Translation of John 1:1 "a god". Greber and his wife were spirit mediums who received this translation by the words passing before his eyes. The W.T supported him as a scholar with running a full page in their Feb.15 1956 W.T. and quoted his translation in 1962 p.5 9/15 1962, The Word p.554, Make Sure of All Things p.489 1965, Aid to Bible Understanding 1969, the Word p.1134 &1669, Even as late as W.T. p.640 8/15 1975 they quoted him knowing his trafficking in the Occult.
The Jesus of the Watchtower is an angel yet they receive revelation not only from him but other angels (whatever their secret names may be). What is even more confounding is their current opinion on who Jesus is. In 1917 they held a closer to orthodox view, That Apollyon in Revelation 9:11 was the destroyer whose name is Satan (Finished Mystery C.H. Russell). However in the Watchtower May, 1 1992 it said "A plague of locusts, sent forth by Jehovah under a king, the angel of the abyss " who is none other than Jesus Christ. His names Abaddon (Hebrew) and Apollyon (Greek) mean destruction and destroyer. These locusts picture the anointed remnant of Christians who, now in the Lord's day, go forth to devastate Christendom's pastures by completely exposing false religion and proclaiming Jehovah's vengeance upon it". We find that it is the "remaining anointed Christians are reinforced by more than 4 million "other sheep" together making up an irresistible Calvary. !" (Shades of Joel's army of the Vineyard !)
This would imply that the J.W.'s are out right with prof that, they're following the angel of the abyss who has deceived them to fight against the Christian church.
I have found that despite the fact that they once believed Apollyon was Satan with i quote
Quote:
"When Jesus was on earth as a man, he was a Hebrew, and now in his capacity as Jehovah's royal Executioner he is called by the Hebrew name Abad'don, which means Destruction. (Job 26:6; 28:22; 31:12; 12:23; 14:19) In the Greek in which the inspired Christian Scriptures were written his similar title is Apollyon, which means Destroyer." (Watchtower 12/1/1961, pp. 719)
Quote:
Abaddon: (Hebrew for "The Destroyer"; in Greek, Apollyon) A demon described in the Bible as "the angel of the bottomless pit" (Revelation 9:11).
here are a few other names for Satan
Quote:
Other names for Satan which Christians believe can be found in the Bible include Abaddon (Revelation 9:11), Accuser of our brothers (Revelation 12:10), Ancient serpent ((Revelation 12:9; 20:2), Angel of the Abyss (Revelation 9:11), Apollyon (Revelation 9:11), Beelzebub (Matthew 12:24), Belial (2 Corinthians 6:15), Coiling serpent (Isaiah 27:1), Dominion of darkness (Colossians 1:13), Dragon (Isaiah 27:1, Revelation 20:2), Enemy (Matthew 13:39, 1 Peter 5:Cool, Evil one (Matthew 13:19, 380, Evil spirit (1 Samuel 16:14, Matthew 12:43), Father of lies (John 8:44), Gliding serpent (Isaiah 27:1), God of this age (2 Corinthians 4:4), Leviathan (Isaiah 27:1), Liar (John 8:44), Lying spirit (1 Kings 22:22), Murderer (John 8:44), Powers of this dark world (Ephesians 6:12), Prince of demons (Matthew 12:24), Prince of this world (John 14:30), Red dragon (Revelation 12:3), Ruler of the kingdom of the air (Ephesians 2:2), Satan (1 Chronicles 21:1, Job 1:6), Serpent (Genesis 3:4, 14; 2 Corinthians 11:3), Spirit that works in those disobedient (Ephesians 2:2), Tempter (Matthew 4:3; 1 Thessalonians 3:5). [Taken from Naves Topical Bible (NIV), Hodder and Stoughton, 1992
Here are a few from the Satanic Bible.
Quote:
The Satanic Bible lists these 'infernal' names: Abaddon, Adramelech, Ahpuch, Ahriman, Amon, Apollyn, Asmodeus, Astaroth, Azazel, Baalberith, Balaam, Baphomet, Bast, Beelzebub, Behemoth, Beherit, Bile, Chemosh, Cimeries, Coyote, Dagon, Damballa, Demogorgon, Daibolus, Dracula, Emma-O, Euronymous, Fenriz, Gorgo, Haborym, Hecate, Ishtar, Kali, Lilith, Loki, Mammon, Mania, Mantus, Marduk, Mastema, Melek Taus, Mephistopheles, Metztli, Mictian, Midgard, Milcom, Moloch, Mormo, Naamah, Nergal, Nihasa, Nija, O-Yama, Pan, Pluto, Proserpine, Pwcca, Rimmon, Sabazios, Sammael, Samnu, Sedit, Sekhmet, Set, Shaitan (Satan), Shamad, Shiva, Supay, T'an-mo, Tchort, Tezcatlipoca, Thamuz, Thoth, Tunrida, Typhon, Yaotzin, Yen-lo-Wang.
The Jw`s believe that Abaddon is now currently Jesus, the angel of the Abyss. Once again the light is getting dimmer instead of brighter. Of course this would only make sense if the light bearer is Lucifer who is bringing it in the first place.
The Jesus/michael of the WTBS is Satan him self.
this is what the Bible says about Satan.
In Greek, the three words are respectively Abysson, Abaddon, Apollyon.
The Abyss is neither Hades, Hell, or the Lake of Fire. Here is what the Bible says about this dreadful place.
Luke 8:31 Demons begged Jesus not to order them to go there
Rev 9:1, 20:1 Like Death and Hades, the Abyss has a key to lock beings inside.
Rev 9:2 The Abyss is a smoke-filled pit.
Rev 9:3 Special locusts that tormented men for five months came from the Abyss.
Rev 9:11 The King of the locusts, the angel of the Abyss is Abaddon (Hebrew), Apollyon (Greek)
Rev 11:7 The beast that kills the two witnesses is from the Abyss.
Rev 17:8 The beast the woman sits on comes out of the Abyss.
Rev 20:2 Satan will be locked in the Abyss for 1,000 years. It is interesting that Satan is chained as well as thrown in there.
Rev 20:3 It will be sealed shut for 1,000 years.
Rev 20:7 The Abyss will be a prison for Satan. (No mention of torment though.)
Abaddon, destruction, is mentioned in Job 31:12, 36:6, 38:12
Ps 88:11
Prov 15:11, 27:20
Re: "New World Translation" Jehovah's Witness bible
Posted by:
firstplumbline
()
Date: November 27, 2007 02:31AM
By their own admission the WTBS claim Jesus is Satan
Re: "New World Translation" Jehovah's Witness bible
Posted by:
zeuszor
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Date: November 29, 2007 06:36AM
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rrmoderator
TheLambofGod:
This response was moved to its own thread because it was off topic.
Those interested may respond and discuss the new topic here.
The NWT remains a very controversial "translation" of the bible used by Jehovah's Witnesses.
It is often dismissed by bible scholars as deeply flawed, poorly done and contrived by the Witnesses for dogmatic purposes.
AlAntony is a nuisance, and has been banned here in the past for his disruptions. Now he is back, and registered under a different name. Get lost, Al. This is a "no troll zone."
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