Skull & Bones Society, Bohemian Grove, Order of Death, Illumanati
Posted by:
just-googling
()
Date: November 23, 2007 10:03AM
More info is coming forward on this dangerous cult... evidence of satanic type rituals, burning human effigies... some insiders even claiming human sacrifices ...
But what is even more amazing is the kind of people who are involved with this cult... yes, Heads of State, US Presidents, big media personnel, etc.
[www.infowars.com]
Difficult to believe, I know, but judging by what these leaders are doing on the world stage, it seems likely they do have a hidden agenda - the ORDER OF DEATH?
In my opinion, the more people who know about this cult, the better.
But what is even more amazing is the kind of people who are involved with this cult... yes, Heads of State, US Presidents, big media personnel, etc.
[www.infowars.com]
Difficult to believe, I know, but judging by what these leaders are doing on the world stage, it seems likely they do have a hidden agenda - the ORDER OF DEATH?
In my opinion, the more people who know about this cult, the better.
Re: Skull & Bones Society, Bohemian Grove, Order of Death, Illumanati
Posted by:
just-googling
()
Date: November 23, 2007 02:07PM
This cult is the expert at mind control.
The following paragraph is taken from a long letter, supposedly written by one of the Illuminati cult, but maybe just written by someone who knows what is going on with the agenda of this cult:
YOUR CONTROLLED MIND
We run Hollywood. The movies such as Terminator and Armageddon, along with a great host of others, were simply created to get you thinking according to our directions. You have been made to delight in violence so that when we send you off to kill some bad man we have put before you, you move without a whimper. We have placed violent arcade games in your malls to prepare your young minds in the art of battle. We have made you to view our armies and police as the good forces and you submit to things that were unthinkable just a few decades ago. Our artful programs, are all designed to help you submit and even help the New World Order. Star Trek, and other such creations, have taught you to simply obey orders from the new international rulers. Oh, silly people, you thought you were being entertained, while you were actually being educated. Dare I use the words, "brainwashed" or "mind control?"
The following paragraph is taken from a long letter, supposedly written by one of the Illuminati cult, but maybe just written by someone who knows what is going on with the agenda of this cult:
YOUR CONTROLLED MIND
We run Hollywood. The movies such as Terminator and Armageddon, along with a great host of others, were simply created to get you thinking according to our directions. You have been made to delight in violence so that when we send you off to kill some bad man we have put before you, you move without a whimper. We have placed violent arcade games in your malls to prepare your young minds in the art of battle. We have made you to view our armies and police as the good forces and you submit to things that were unthinkable just a few decades ago. Our artful programs, are all designed to help you submit and even help the New World Order. Star Trek, and other such creations, have taught you to simply obey orders from the new international rulers. Oh, silly people, you thought you were being entertained, while you were actually being educated. Dare I use the words, "brainwashed" or "mind control?"
Re: Skull & Bones Society, Bohemian Grove, Order of Death, Illumanati
Posted by:
zeuszor
()
Date: November 23, 2007 02:17PM
Dude, this is silly X-files stuff. If it's this secret society and all that, then how come "they" let the guy that made the documentary live to make it? How and why did "they" ever allow for its release in the first place? You are really straining credulity.
Re: Skull & Bones Society, Bohemian Grove, Order of Death, Illumanati
Posted by:
just-googling
()
Date: November 23, 2007 11:29PM
Quote
zeuszor
Dude, this is silly X-files stuff. If it's this secret society and all that, then how come "they" let the guy that made the documentary live to make it? How and why did "they" ever allow for its release in the first place? You are really straining credulity.
Ha! Exactly what they want you to think... X-files programming !
All of this may seem too far-out to be believable, and that's exactly how they can get away with it!
Just like the so-called moon landings in 1969 ... When I heard people saying that this was a hoax and that this was filmed in a studio, I DID NOT BELIEVE IT.!
However, having studied the pictures, and the arguments*, I now know that I have been deceived yet again ! IT WAS A HOAX... yet the vast majority of my generation still remain decieved!
E.g. -- how come the so-called moon astronauts did not take a telescope to the moon and leave it there? Instead, they took a barbie-doll dune buggy that served no useful purpose! why did they not point their cameras to the starry firmament, which would have been magnificent on the moon (as there is no atmosphere)??? Why not? Because the positions of the stars would have given the game away!
In some of the photos from the "men on the moon", the wires that support the astronauts to simulate low-gravity can be seen!!!!! The shadows show definitely that these were created by a nearby light source - a SPOTLIGHT! If they really went to the moon, why would they have to fake ANY of the pictures?
Just an example of how we are all easily decieved by the reality that they give us through the television.
Re: Skull & Bones Society, Bohemian Grove, Order of Death, Illumanati
Posted by:
firstplumbline
()
Date: November 24, 2007 01:23AM
Hi this is my own personal work on this group.
[www.firstplumbline.net]
What is Skull and Bones ?
(A.K.A Russell Trust Association)
Skull and Bones is the most well known of the so-called
secret societies based at Yale University. It was founded
in 1832 by William Huntington Russell and Alphonso
Taft, two students who were not admitted into Phi Beta
Kappa at Yale University, in New Haven, Connecticut.
[1] The first Skull and Bones class, or "cohort", was in
1833. Skull and Bones is known by many names,
including The Order of Death, The Order, The Eulogian
Club, and Lodge 322. Initiates are most commonly
known as Bonesmen, Knights of Eulogia, and Boodle
Boys. The females who have recently been permitted
to become members would be known as Boneswomen,
Ladies of Eulogia, and Boodle Girls.
Who is Eulogia ?
Please note the two owls either side of this ancient carving of the goddess Ishtar.
This shows the obvious link between the cult of Ishtar and the cult of Moloch (Owl).
Eulogia is a female goddess of Blessing that was concocted
by the Skull and Bones in order to hide its roots which are
found in a ancient babylonian goddess called Ishtar, High-Mother-Goddess. Like Inanna, she is the goddess of fertility, love and war. Her cult was the most important one in ancient Babylon. Ishtar, known under various names, was the most important Goddess of the Near-East and Western Asia. The word Eulogia which, in Greek, means "to be blessed." They believe this goddess ascended into heaven in 322 B.C. (a number that appears in their own logo) upon the death of Greek orator Demonsthenes and subsequently descended from heaven in 1832, landing at Yale University. Also known as Assyrian goddess of sexuality, referred to in the Bible as "queen of heaven" (Jeremiah 7:18, 44:17, 25). However the name "Ishtar" does not actually appear in the Bible, but she does appear under her other titles (i.e. Ashteroth).
What Dose The Number 322 Mean ?
Those familiar with Skull and Bones (S&B) know that "322"
is the room number of the initiation room — the sanctum sanctorum or "holy of holies" — in the organization’s
forbidding structure on the Yale campus. That structure
is commonly known to insiders and outsiders alike as "the Tomb," but is also referred to by members as "the Temple."
The "322" also refers to the society itself; it is "Chapter 322"
of an older German secret society.
What Happens in Room 322 ?
This is the most private room in the building, known as
the Inner Temple, or (this will be no surprise) Room 322,
is approximately fourteen feet square and guarded by a
locked iron door. Inside, a case contains a skeleton that
Bonesmen refer to as Madame Pompadour. Compartments
in the case guard the society's cherished manuscripts,
including the secrecy oath and instructions for conducting
an initiation.
The initiation ceremony, held in April, involves as many
alumni, or "patriarchs," as possible, one of whom in each
instance serves as the supervisor, known as Uncle Toby.
The Inner Temple is cleared of furniture except for two
chairs and a table, and Bonesmen past and present assemble:
Uncle Toby in a robe; the shortest senior, or "Little Devil,"
in a satanic costume; a Bonesman with a deep voice in a
Don Quixote costume; one in papal vestments; another
dressed as Elihu Yale; four of the brawniest in the role of "shakers";
and a crew of extras wearing skeleton costumes and carrying
noisemakers. According to the initiation script, Uncle Toby
"sounds like the only sane person in the room."
As an initiate enters the room, patriarchs standing outside
the Inner Temple shout, "Who is it?" The shakers bellow
the initiate's name, which the patriarchs echo. The shakers
push the initiate toward the table, where the secrecy oath
has been placed, and he is enjoined to "Read! Read! Read!"
The shakers then half-carry the initiate to a picture of
Eulogia, and the Bonesmen shriek, "Eulogia! Eulogia!
Eulogia!" After another trip to the oath, the shakers fire
the initiate toward a picture of a woman that Bonesmen
call Connubial Bliss.
Rituals along these lines go on for quite some time, recalling
a cross between haunted-house antics and a human pinball
game -- "like something from a Harry Potter novel," in the
words of one Bonesman, now an engineer. It is perhaps
worth noting, in light of George W.'s controversial episode
at Bob Jones University and the specter of anti-Catholicism,
that at one point in the proceedings every initiate kisses
the slippered toe of the "Pope." At last the initiate is
formally dubbed a Knight of Eulogia. Amid more raucous
ritual he is cast from the room into the waiting arms of
the patriarchs.
WITHIN the tomb students run on Skull and Bones time,
which is five minutes ahead of the time in the rest of the
world. "It was to encourage you to think that being in the
building was so different from the outside world that you'd
let your guard down," a Bonesman ('72) explains. At 6:30
on Thursdays and Sundays the Bonesmen gather in the
Firefly Room for supper. The room is dim and intimate;
light shines through the gaping eyeholes of fixtures shaped
like skulls. Bonesmen drink various refreshments from
skull-shaped cups, but never alcohol. The dry-society rule,
fervently enforced, was designed to keep members level-
headed for discussions -- a change of pace for George W.,
who drank heavily during his college years.
At 7:55 barbarian time Uncle Toby rings a bell to summon
the members to the session. When the knights are seated,
they sing two sacred anthems before the Hearing of Excuses,
as arriving late or using a society name outside the tomb.
Uncle Toby then draws debate topics and an order of
speakers from the Yorick, a skull divided into compartments.
The ninety-minute period of debate can be frivolous or grave.
One of the standard pieces of lore about Skull and Bones is
that each member must at some point give an account of
his sexual history, known as the CB (for "Connubial Bliss").
"After the first one or two times it's like guys listing their conquests,
and that gets old," one young Bonesman told
me recently. "There's just not that much to talk about"
-- and so CBs have evolved into relationship discussions.
"It's the kind of stuff a lot of guys do with their
teammates," says another Bonesman ('83). "There was
nothing perverse or surreal or prurient -- just an open
exchange. It's like TV's Ricki Lake -- there's now a
national mania for purging thoughts at large. This is a
way of doing it in a very private, non- sensationalist
way that benefits the people who are listening and the
people who are telling."
ibid: [www.fattyboombatty.com]
Who Is Uncle Toby ?
Uncle Toby is one distinguished member serves as Master
of Ceremonies. Once enrobed, he is known as “Uncle Toby”.
ibid: [www.stopdubya.com]
0Bones/Societies_p6.htm
What Is Tap Day ?
In the late 1870s, the juniors revolted. Instead of waiting
alone in their rooms on election night, they gathered outside
on the steps of the Old Campus dormitories to see which societies their friends would accept. But the seniors didn't
want to announce the elections publicly, so they simply
tapped each selected junior and said only,"Go to your room." Thus Tap Day was born.
Each May on "Tap Day," senior Bonesmen troll around
Yale's campus, selecting, or "tapping," 15 juniors for membership in the upcoming class.
Ibid: [www.yalealumnimagazine.com],
[archive.salon.com]
Please goto the link for photos
[www.firstplumbline.net]
videos are soon to be on their.
[www.firstplumbline.net]
What is Skull and Bones ?
(A.K.A Russell Trust Association)
Skull and Bones is the most well known of the so-called
secret societies based at Yale University. It was founded
in 1832 by William Huntington Russell and Alphonso
Taft, two students who were not admitted into Phi Beta
Kappa at Yale University, in New Haven, Connecticut.
[1] The first Skull and Bones class, or "cohort", was in
1833. Skull and Bones is known by many names,
including The Order of Death, The Order, The Eulogian
Club, and Lodge 322. Initiates are most commonly
known as Bonesmen, Knights of Eulogia, and Boodle
Boys. The females who have recently been permitted
to become members would be known as Boneswomen,
Ladies of Eulogia, and Boodle Girls.
Who is Eulogia ?
Please note the two owls either side of this ancient carving of the goddess Ishtar.
This shows the obvious link between the cult of Ishtar and the cult of Moloch (Owl).
Eulogia is a female goddess of Blessing that was concocted
by the Skull and Bones in order to hide its roots which are
found in a ancient babylonian goddess called Ishtar, High-Mother-Goddess. Like Inanna, she is the goddess of fertility, love and war. Her cult was the most important one in ancient Babylon. Ishtar, known under various names, was the most important Goddess of the Near-East and Western Asia. The word Eulogia which, in Greek, means "to be blessed." They believe this goddess ascended into heaven in 322 B.C. (a number that appears in their own logo) upon the death of Greek orator Demonsthenes and subsequently descended from heaven in 1832, landing at Yale University. Also known as Assyrian goddess of sexuality, referred to in the Bible as "queen of heaven" (Jeremiah 7:18, 44:17, 25). However the name "Ishtar" does not actually appear in the Bible, but she does appear under her other titles (i.e. Ashteroth).
What Dose The Number 322 Mean ?
Those familiar with Skull and Bones (S&B) know that "322"
is the room number of the initiation room — the sanctum sanctorum or "holy of holies" — in the organization’s
forbidding structure on the Yale campus. That structure
is commonly known to insiders and outsiders alike as "the Tomb," but is also referred to by members as "the Temple."
The "322" also refers to the society itself; it is "Chapter 322"
of an older German secret society.
What Happens in Room 322 ?
This is the most private room in the building, known as
the Inner Temple, or (this will be no surprise) Room 322,
is approximately fourteen feet square and guarded by a
locked iron door. Inside, a case contains a skeleton that
Bonesmen refer to as Madame Pompadour. Compartments
in the case guard the society's cherished manuscripts,
including the secrecy oath and instructions for conducting
an initiation.
The initiation ceremony, held in April, involves as many
alumni, or "patriarchs," as possible, one of whom in each
instance serves as the supervisor, known as Uncle Toby.
The Inner Temple is cleared of furniture except for two
chairs and a table, and Bonesmen past and present assemble:
Uncle Toby in a robe; the shortest senior, or "Little Devil,"
in a satanic costume; a Bonesman with a deep voice in a
Don Quixote costume; one in papal vestments; another
dressed as Elihu Yale; four of the brawniest in the role of "shakers";
and a crew of extras wearing skeleton costumes and carrying
noisemakers. According to the initiation script, Uncle Toby
"sounds like the only sane person in the room."
As an initiate enters the room, patriarchs standing outside
the Inner Temple shout, "Who is it?" The shakers bellow
the initiate's name, which the patriarchs echo. The shakers
push the initiate toward the table, where the secrecy oath
has been placed, and he is enjoined to "Read! Read! Read!"
The shakers then half-carry the initiate to a picture of
Eulogia, and the Bonesmen shriek, "Eulogia! Eulogia!
Eulogia!" After another trip to the oath, the shakers fire
the initiate toward a picture of a woman that Bonesmen
call Connubial Bliss.
Rituals along these lines go on for quite some time, recalling
a cross between haunted-house antics and a human pinball
game -- "like something from a Harry Potter novel," in the
words of one Bonesman, now an engineer. It is perhaps
worth noting, in light of George W.'s controversial episode
at Bob Jones University and the specter of anti-Catholicism,
that at one point in the proceedings every initiate kisses
the slippered toe of the "Pope." At last the initiate is
formally dubbed a Knight of Eulogia. Amid more raucous
ritual he is cast from the room into the waiting arms of
the patriarchs.
WITHIN the tomb students run on Skull and Bones time,
which is five minutes ahead of the time in the rest of the
world. "It was to encourage you to think that being in the
building was so different from the outside world that you'd
let your guard down," a Bonesman ('72) explains. At 6:30
on Thursdays and Sundays the Bonesmen gather in the
Firefly Room for supper. The room is dim and intimate;
light shines through the gaping eyeholes of fixtures shaped
like skulls. Bonesmen drink various refreshments from
skull-shaped cups, but never alcohol. The dry-society rule,
fervently enforced, was designed to keep members level-
headed for discussions -- a change of pace for George W.,
who drank heavily during his college years.
At 7:55 barbarian time Uncle Toby rings a bell to summon
the members to the session. When the knights are seated,
they sing two sacred anthems before the Hearing of Excuses,
as arriving late or using a society name outside the tomb.
Uncle Toby then draws debate topics and an order of
speakers from the Yorick, a skull divided into compartments.
The ninety-minute period of debate can be frivolous or grave.
One of the standard pieces of lore about Skull and Bones is
that each member must at some point give an account of
his sexual history, known as the CB (for "Connubial Bliss").
"After the first one or two times it's like guys listing their conquests,
and that gets old," one young Bonesman told
me recently. "There's just not that much to talk about"
-- and so CBs have evolved into relationship discussions.
"It's the kind of stuff a lot of guys do with their
teammates," says another Bonesman ('83). "There was
nothing perverse or surreal or prurient -- just an open
exchange. It's like TV's Ricki Lake -- there's now a
national mania for purging thoughts at large. This is a
way of doing it in a very private, non- sensationalist
way that benefits the people who are listening and the
people who are telling."
ibid: [www.fattyboombatty.com]
Who Is Uncle Toby ?
Uncle Toby is one distinguished member serves as Master
of Ceremonies. Once enrobed, he is known as “Uncle Toby”.
ibid: [www.stopdubya.com]
0Bones/Societies_p6.htm
What Is Tap Day ?
In the late 1870s, the juniors revolted. Instead of waiting
alone in their rooms on election night, they gathered outside
on the steps of the Old Campus dormitories to see which societies their friends would accept. But the seniors didn't
want to announce the elections publicly, so they simply
tapped each selected junior and said only,"Go to your room." Thus Tap Day was born.
Each May on "Tap Day," senior Bonesmen troll around
Yale's campus, selecting, or "tapping," 15 juniors for membership in the upcoming class.
Ibid: [www.yalealumnimagazine.com],
[archive.salon.com]
Please goto the link for photos
[www.firstplumbline.net]
videos are soon to be on their.
Re: Skull & Bones Society, Bohemian Grove, Order of Death, Illumanati
Posted by:
greg hamond
()
Date: November 24, 2007 02:29AM
This shows the obvious link between the cult of Ishtar and the cult of Moloch (Owl).
interesting.....secret,,,and in the case of the UN...started by communist traitor Alger hiss...not quite so secret !!!!
interesting.....secret,,,and in the case of the UN...started by communist traitor Alger hiss...not quite so secret !!!!
Re: Skull & Bones Society, Bohemian Grove, Order of Death, Illumanati
Posted by:
firstplumbline
()
Date: November 24, 2007 09:35AM
it was very hard work getting the info, but yes they are not as secretive, they have secrets as in connections but their practices are transparent.
their is no really conspiricy theory made about them, but the only conspiricy theories are the stories about who rules the world.
some are true like operation north woods.
others are just theories, nothing absolute.
their is no really conspiricy theory made about them, but the only conspiricy theories are the stories about who rules the world.
some are true like operation north woods.
others are just theories, nothing absolute.
Re: Skull & Bones Society, Bohemian Grove, Order of Death, Illumanati
Posted by:
just-googling
()
Date: November 25, 2007 12:00PM
Yup, it's hard to believe that the President of a great nation admits that he belongs to a secret occult society - "so secret, we can't talk about it." This is extra scary, considering that these people have control of the army, the police, the law courts, the judges, the whole damned system itself....
I wonder what those secrets could be???
*As for the so-called conspiracy theories:
911 - I didn't believe this was an inside job - UNTIL I STUDIED THE EVIDENCE (Hint: building 7 = smoking gun)
FALSE MOON LANDINGS - I didn't believe it - UNTIL I STUDIED THE EVIDENCE.
PRINCESS DIANA - I thought this was just a horrible road accident - UNTIL I read evidence of a motorcycle passing the Mercedes and flashing a strobe light at the driver. Plus evidence that the Royal Family is also so-called illuminati.
INDONESIAN TSUNAMI - I didn't believe this was caused by a H-bomb - until someone mentioned there was an extra-large amount of radiation measured on that date ... hhmmmmm - now I am having second thoughts.
Gradually, it is dawning on me how EVIL and DANGEROUS this cult is!
*More on the microwave/ELF towers:
[www.youtube.com]
Many thanks to the "etheric warriors" and to the pioneers of crystal powered orgonite!
I wonder what those secrets could be???
*As for the so-called conspiracy theories:
911 - I didn't believe this was an inside job - UNTIL I STUDIED THE EVIDENCE (Hint: building 7 = smoking gun)
FALSE MOON LANDINGS - I didn't believe it - UNTIL I STUDIED THE EVIDENCE.
PRINCESS DIANA - I thought this was just a horrible road accident - UNTIL I read evidence of a motorcycle passing the Mercedes and flashing a strobe light at the driver. Plus evidence that the Royal Family is also so-called illuminati.
INDONESIAN TSUNAMI - I didn't believe this was caused by a H-bomb - until someone mentioned there was an extra-large amount of radiation measured on that date ... hhmmmmm - now I am having second thoughts.
Gradually, it is dawning on me how EVIL and DANGEROUS this cult is!
*More on the microwave/ELF towers:
[www.youtube.com]
Many thanks to the "etheric warriors" and to the pioneers of crystal powered orgonite!
Re: Skull & Bones Society, Bohemian Grove, Order of Death, Illumanati
Posted by:
rrmoderator
()
Date: November 25, 2007 09:13PM
This thread is becoming increasingly bizarre and filled with conspiracy theories.
This message board and Web site is not about such theories.
Some recent posts have been deleted.
Please refrain from posting conspiracy theories.
This message board and Web site is not about such theories.
Some recent posts have been deleted.
Please refrain from posting conspiracy theories.
Re: Skull & Bones Society, Bohemian Grove, Order of Death, Illumanati
Posted by:
just-googling
()
Date: November 27, 2007 12:32PM
Yeh, I do not put much weight on theories, either... I am more interested in truth...
The following short video clip actually shows Mr. Bush admitting that he IS part of a secret society and he states: "It's so secret we can't talk about it" while laughing in our faces!
[video.google.com]
As far as I can see, this was a real televised interview and not a "photoshop job" although at first I thought it might be one of those wacky Canadian comedies and they found a really good look-alike to act as Mr. Bush ! (where are those smiley emoticons when we need them?)
Is it just me going crazy, or what?? Here we have the president of a mighty nation stating that he is part of a secret society that is so secret he cannot talk about it!!!!!
* Would be it illogical to ask what other secrets he could be keeping from the public?
* Would it be illogical to ask whether this could be a CONFLICT OF INTEREST, namely being part of the "ORDER OF DEATH" and being in control of the largest military power on the planet?
Or would a person asking these questions be considered treasonous and arrested by the Cult's Indoctrinated Androids (CIA) and locked up for good under the newly formed "Patriot Act" ??? (so much for freedom of speech, eh?)
At first I thought maybe this Skull & Bones thing was just a few teenagers going through their rebellious stage in university... but no, apparently there are many heads of state, elite, powerful politicians who attend the "Bohemian Grove" just north of San Francisco, and these people are 50-year-old and 60-year-old men...
And both the Skull & Bones Society and the Bohemian Grove are both associated with ancient Egyptian symbols and other satanic-type images that would make the average Christian frown. And the burning of human effigies seems definitely anti-Christian and very cult like -- not the kind of thing one expects from powerful politicias, huh?
The following short video clip actually shows Mr. Bush admitting that he IS part of a secret society and he states: "It's so secret we can't talk about it" while laughing in our faces!
[video.google.com]
As far as I can see, this was a real televised interview and not a "photoshop job" although at first I thought it might be one of those wacky Canadian comedies and they found a really good look-alike to act as Mr. Bush ! (where are those smiley emoticons when we need them?)
Is it just me going crazy, or what?? Here we have the president of a mighty nation stating that he is part of a secret society that is so secret he cannot talk about it!!!!!
* Would be it illogical to ask what other secrets he could be keeping from the public?
* Would it be illogical to ask whether this could be a CONFLICT OF INTEREST, namely being part of the "ORDER OF DEATH" and being in control of the largest military power on the planet?
Or would a person asking these questions be considered treasonous and arrested by the Cult's Indoctrinated Androids (CIA) and locked up for good under the newly formed "Patriot Act" ??? (so much for freedom of speech, eh?)
At first I thought maybe this Skull & Bones thing was just a few teenagers going through their rebellious stage in university... but no, apparently there are many heads of state, elite, powerful politicians who attend the "Bohemian Grove" just north of San Francisco, and these people are 50-year-old and 60-year-old men...
And both the Skull & Bones Society and the Bohemian Grove are both associated with ancient Egyptian symbols and other satanic-type images that would make the average Christian frown. And the burning of human effigies seems definitely anti-Christian and very cult like -- not the kind of thing one expects from powerful politicias, huh?
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