Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: July 29, 2025 11:39AM

Not all cheese has rennet:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y8LL97XwCjQ

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: July 29, 2025 10:39PM

From RUN UPANISHAD 7.13.21

Where there is Krishna, there is his so-called servant, Chris Butler.
Where there is Butler, there is Tulsi Gabbard, loyal and ambitious.
From Butler comes control; from control, obedience.
From obedience, ambition clothed in virtue.
From ambition, alliance with the corrupt.
From alliance, the shielding of predators.
And from that shielding, the betrayal of truth.
Thus, believing herself a savior, she became their sword and shield.


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Purport:
When obedience to a guru replaces independent thought, and ambition disguises itself as service, the result is a follower who serves power, not principle. Tulsi Gabbard, under the lifelong influence of Chris Butler, entered politics with the image of a reformer but now functions as a protector of the powerful—deflecting scrutiny, softening outrage, and playing the part of the hero while standing guard for abusers. This is not dharma. It’s delusion in holy robes.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Truth wins ()
Date: July 30, 2025 05:58AM

Devotees are proud Tulsi exposed Obama and the Elite.
I was sure that they think she is in office to play some kind of truth hero.
It does not matter that her own boss is protecting a massive amount of Elite perverts who are on the list.
These people think they are expert in conspiracies.
Surface level 101 conspiracies. They have never gone deeper because their fanatical beliefs will not allow them to.


They will always live in a sweet illusion.
Little babies with their pacifier in the mouth. Chasing the bliss and the nectar.
They go after the demonic Elite, but no one cares that their own guru is not better than the Vermin they want to expose.
Their guru has trafficked devotees for decades in order to use them as free slaves.
Slavery aka devotional service. Not just any service but direct service.
Nothing like corrupt devotees trying to expose the corruption of the so called Elite.

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: August 01, 2025 02:40PM

RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote:
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> From RUN UPANISHAD 7.13.21
> ---
>
> Purport:
> When obedience to a guru replaces independent
> thought, and ambition disguises itself as service,
> the result is a follower who serves power, not
> principle. Tulsi Gabbard, under the lifelong
> influence of Chris Butler, entered politics with
> the image of a reformer but now functions as a
> protector of the powerful—deflecting scrutiny,
> softening outrage, and playing the part of the
> hero while standing guard for abusers. This is not
> dharma. It’s delusion in holy robes.
>
> RUN


Kali Yuga Purana

"Driven by the desire for power and fame, the whims of her guru, a married paramahamsa, and the ambition of her father, Tulsi entered into compromises that were inconsistent with dharma, building the foundations of a miserable material existence for at least three kalpas..."

Truth wins Wrote:
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> They will always live in a sweet illusion.
> Little babies with their pacifier in the mouth.
> Chasing the bliss and the nectar.
> They go after the demonic Elite, but no one cares
> that their own guru is not better than the Vermin
> they want to expose.

So we remind:

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Kasia must have been quite a student if she came here to study from a small village several hundred kilometers from Krakow and started her studies at the Agricultural University, at the department of horticulture. It was 1995. She was staying with her aunt.

Unfortunately, she failed - after the first year she failed the botany exam. As she had quite serious health problems while still in high school, she went on sick leave. She stayed in Kraków and worked at Mac'Donalds. After a year, she returned to her studies again, failed botany again and passed it only in the autumn session. On October 1, 1997, she moved out of her aunt's and moved into a double room with her family. Much further from the university, she also had worse access. She told her parents that she wanted to become independent. When she came home for Christmas in December of that year, she talked a lot about faith, quoted the Holy Scriptures, mentioned that she wanted to start studying at the Pontifical Academy of Theology. The fact that she had resigned from studies in horticulture not long ago, her parents found out only in January of the following year, when they received a letter from the AR Dean's Office. Immediately afterwards, in a telephone conversation, it turned out that Kasia, despite having abandoned her studies, decided to stay in Krakow. She also changed the address. When, after a few months, her mother visited her there, she saw that Kasia lived in a house where there was no bathroom, no hot water, and the toilet was outside. She also learned that Kasia had signed up for a year-long public relations course and was going to sell incense on the street from November. The girl stopped having contact with her aunt and did not come home either. Occasionally she would call or write a short letter. She often asked for money. She was sick a lot, she said it was colds. When a year later, at the end of October 1999, her mother visited her again with the intention of persuading her to return home, Kasia showed her the beads for chanting, saying that she was praying on them. She also admitted to being associated with the Chaitanya Mission. In November, she took a job as a cook in a printing house and soon moved into the Mission center. On Christmas Eve 1999, she called her aunt and said she was happy because she thought she had found her place in life.

By the end of the year, she lost her job at the printing house and after an absence of almost two years, in early January 2000, she came home. She gave her parents the impression of being mentally retarded. They got scared. A month later she came again. She was kind of scared, asking if everything was okay at home. She confessed to being kicked out of the Mission Center. Within an hour she had to pack up and leave. She returned to her old place. She came home to rest and sleep. Under the pretext that she wanted to finish her driving license course, she returned to Krakow. Later, she called home from a new place in Poland. As the notes indicate, her travels were related to the arrival of one of the masters from the United States. On April 1, she came back to her family home, she was tired and had a cold. After a few days she contacted one of the Mission Centers. Despite this, the parents managed to convince Kasia to stay at home. In June, she took a job in a nearby town, in a bookstore. Soon she began to fear something, she felt watched. In early August, she left for one of the Mission Centers. She came back reassured. She slept a lot. On August 21, she left for a reunion. In the evening she called home saying she was already there. On August 25, she called her father to wish him. On the morning of August 30, she called again, saying that she had left her backpack with her belongings and money at the center and was coming home herself. It would be in the evening. In the evening, a policeman called - Kasia was found hanged in a village 40 kilometers from her home. Due to the lack of evidence of third party involvement, the police discontinued the proceedings.


In Kasia's backpack, there was, among other things, a very carefully written statement: "I declare that my activities and personal involvement in the Institute of Identity Knowledge of the Chaitanya Mission is voluntary. I am willing to engage in various types of activities as much as it is possible for me to perform, because I see the need for help in spreading this type of activity. The main goal of the Institute of Identity Knowledge of the Chaitanya Mission is to offer people a relationship with God that leads to a happy and full life, without unnecessary suffering of various kinds. Each person considers his desires individually and has every right to follow them. I also follow my desire to help other people because I feel the need to do so.”


Under the name and surname, Kasia entered her ID card number. There was no date on the statement.

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Truth wins ()
Date: August 01, 2025 06:51PM

SoI is the cult of false idols.
They are like groupies who line up and scream when celebrities exit their hotels.
Now the demigod of the season is Tulsi.
They must absolutely praise and worship.
As if it is not enough to kiss the feet of butler and the deities.
They need more heroes to keep them buys and happy.
Tulsi the truth warrior?
The professional liar is now labeled truth warrior. What a joke!

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: August 01, 2025 08:13PM

Truth wins Wrote:
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> They must absolutely praise and worship.

So we remind. The lecture about "leaders" of SIF Poland. Few years after Kasia's suicide.

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...The whole problem is that there are leaders who try to be a copy of me and unfortunately they end up with psychological terror. I already have 3 such leaders in my collection. I don’t know if this doesn’t already apply to all the others who are also fighting for their position. They are constantly fighting for respect for themselves and trying to be a copy of Balakhilya das or me. And in reality they are only supposed to be a leader – a foreman. Why do they want to be some kind of religious authority? They are simply confused in their heads. And now either I will destroy it once and for all or there will be no leaders. I don’t need such leaders. What is happening, all these situations are simply “Corrigan not this way”. And these leaders create such a mood. Then everyone thinks that this is what it's all about and that spiritual life is about climbing up, over dead bodies.

Such a leader forces others to listen to him, considers himself an authority, thinks that sitting on vyasasana and teaching is what it's all about and is all about. Later, everyone stops doing anything, they just want to copy Balakhilya das, who when he comes to Poland for a retreat, doesn't put up posters, he just walks around, talks and instructs and sometimes rests a little, because speaking is a great effort (I know what an effort it is, especially when you're trying to say something well with maximum concentration). So it's either a cart or a ride. This is the cause of all the mess that started in MCz. Psychological terror.

This is what was written about in this article recently, that this person, when they considered someone a friend, confided in them, but a moment later the leader knew about it and this person was destroyed. I know this and I know that it's like this. Later, such leaders get on the pulpit and shout at this person from there when they don't like something and confuse it with what I do at meetings. So I'm announcing that from this meeting I won't do this anymore, I overestimated these people. I found out that when some people from abroad ask what happened at our last meeting, they get the answer that "Tapasya das scolded Madhava dasi, and at the previous meeting he scolded Bhava das, and at the previous meeting he didn't scold anyone". That's all they remember. That's all they come for, that's their version. Later they say - psychological terror.

The chairman obscures the picture and blurs his responsibility. Since it ended with Kasia's suicide, why didn't he replace the leader? He didn't because the leaders suited him. The adoration society suited him.A holy tribe of devoted acolytes.

The traditional organization of temples in the Gaudiya Sampradaya is a president, secretary, and treasurer. Later, the president questioned the wisdom of introducing leaders.

Witnesses remember being terrorized by the leader. It's no wonder the leaders copied him. According to witnesses, he behaved like an SS man. Worse.



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 08/01/2025 08:18PM by Culthusiast.

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Truth wins ()
Date: August 03, 2025 10:03AM

In the cult, the bad guys aka demons are the Iskcon devotees and gurus.
In the political world of Tulsi, the bad guys are the Elite/democrats…
Blame shifting is the number one weapon of narcissists.
She is just doing the perfect job she was trained to do.
Obey, protect, please narcissistic leaders.
Trained to please and get bliss from praise.
Programmed to fear to death displeasing the leader.
She may come across as a strong hero, but she still has no clue she is under narcissistic manipulation and spell.
And that she has been her entire life.

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: August 11, 2025 06:20PM

Truth wins Wrote:
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> In the cult, the bad guys aka demons are the
> Iskcon devotees and gurus.
> In the political world of Tulsi, the bad guys are
> the Elite/democrats…
> Blame shifting is the number one weapon of
> narcissists.
> She is just doing the perfect job she was trained
> to do.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: August 22, 2025 12:15AM

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2025/08/21/murder-trial-begins-samoa-over-death-former-hawaii-professor/

An update on this bag of tricks the reporter says…

Figiel was later found dazed on a beach, covered with leaves (drugged?). The official story is that she suddenly murdered her old mentor with a hammer and knife. To me, that stretches belief. It raises the possibility she was incapacitated or set up, while others slipped away.

The timing is what stands out most. Caroline Sinavaiana-Gabbard’s death came right as Tulsi Gabbard shifted her political stance and aligned with Trump. Caroline, an intellectual literary giant and sharp critic of Sceince of Identity Foundation/Chris Butler cult influence, could have been a strong opposing voice. Her absence, whether coincidence or not, clears the way for Butler's agenda.

Meanwhile, the trial has been slow-rolled with a 2,000-page mental health evaluation and a conveniently timed documentary painting Figiel as unstable. The whole package looks less like justice and more like narrative management.

I don’t claim to know what really happened, but the coincidences are too stacked to ignore. This case deserves far more scrutiny.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: August 22, 2025 12:33AM

Go Nitai!!!!

Sorry if someone already posted this earlier—deserves a listen:

https://www.conspirituality.net/episodes/152-tulsi-gabbards-krishna-consciousness-nitai-joseph


Nitai has been highly vocal about ISKCON and the cult in general. Well spoken and an insider take.

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