> My family and devotees around me were
> divided and struggling emotionally and
> spiritually. and yes, devotee business fired
> devotees or became otherwise unbearable to work at
> as the judgement was constantly there.
There are also untold stories from Poland from the beginnings. Devotees worked to the bone even all night , and the hero beautifully dressed coming out from a beautiful car, the hero who manages them, humiliates them and is initiated. There are such reminiscences ..
I have never met Chris Butler. But i met the hero and haven't hear any apology or about his apology.
> like Mahabhagavata were forced by Butler to write
> apology letters denouncing their association with
> such and such Vaishnava group/guru and groveling
> in self deprecation in front of Butler and their
> godbrothers. It was sickening.
First time i read that.
> But alas, nothing is without an agenda with Butler
> and SIF. It was not too long after that all this
> "friendliness" was shown for what it was really
> about: Butler was planning yet another one of his
> political power plays using his disciples
> (Gabbards). With the advent of the internet and
> the prospect of mass world influence and
> communication, Butler started the grueling process
> of having his disciples wipe the slate clean
> (scrub) and reinvent the old SIF and cover up any
> wrongdoings that were bound to bubble to the
> surface in Internet forums and blogs around the
Everyone has the right to start all over again, but when it comes to politics, this is not a Vaisnava tradition.
> It was around this time that I started to ask
> around and started my personal blog about the
> Baguio Brahmacaris. I was sincerely interested in
> what happened to all these guys.
There is never enough truth. Truth should defend itself.
> I was confronted
> with the fact that no image existed of what Butler
> actually looked like at that time. While other
> vaishnava gurus never hid their aging faces from
> the public, it seemed as if Butler's cult was
> making a concerted effort to hide his image and
> only offer a highly polished and youthful
> version... It was then that I discovered this
> forum and slowly began to unravel this tar-like
> cult I grew up in and lost my childhood to and
> years of mental agony.
Today, more annoying to me are the artificial comments on Mr. Midget webinars. For example, one of the initiated writes how delightful the science (the basics) is when this person wrote a book about i. You know, webinar looks nicer when something is happening, but it's more about treating people like idiots who can find out that the commenting person has been the author for years and has been sitting on the topic for years.
> Only about 2 years ago did SIF finally release
> images of how butler looks now. An image of an
> aging, frail, bald man dressed in white.
> image from a local New Zealand paper revealed
> Butler in his native habitat: A tin foiled room
> and all surfaces covered with white cloth...
An exciting life It doesn't look like Yoda would say.
> claims to have gotten very sick in the PI
> (disciples were always to blame).
Why to gather kids there then?
> He secluded
> himself and claims to have written Reincarnation
> Explained in Baguio (further research revealed
> that Tusta actually write most of it).
This is a good book. It was good for it's time. Certain concepts could be questioned of course, but the book was good.
> bizarre opinions about women, childrearing, race,
> sex(uality), Hitler, cosmology, medicine (One of
> my favorites: Letter to Aniruddha, San Francisco,
> April 9, 1968 "Milk and salt should never be
> mixed, it is improper, and will cause leprosy. But
> salt can be mixed with yogurt."), biology etc etc.
Generally, if reductionisms are applied or discussed, then thorough knowledge allows to prove scientifically, formally, etc. where these reductionisms came from.
There is a question of the depth of understanding, Phenomena, processes, etc. For example, one may discuss guna's theory literally. And someone can confront it with the dynamics of phenomena in the network of neurons and, for example, the accumulation of heavy metals, etc. For simple minds, full knowledge is not digestible.
> Butler's lectures that were played to boys and
> girls as young as 8 years old included vivid
> descriptions of anal sex, scatophilia, urination
> and other fringe sexual fetishes.
> of Butler claiming that AIDS would stop if gay's
> stopped having anal sex is just the tip of the
> iceberg of choice lectures about some of his
> favorite topics. His disciples sat there laughing,
> whooping and hollering like a bunch of suck-up
> frat boys.
AIDS would stop. Simple question is: why then they wanted people to come to retreats with medical tests for AIDS done ...
> Ironically, DeWatcher, the Vaishnava faith DOES in
> fact encourage hyarchial thinking in terms of
> devotees: Kanistha, madhyama, uttama-adhikara.
> This is regularly used to discriminate and
> identify association amongst vaishnavas.
In fact - no.
Hinduism is a composite of various cults and a variety of creeds; the conflict amongst them is avoided by the twin doctrines of "Adhikara" and "Ista". Adhikara means eligibility; it is not a gradation but acceptance of fact or realism in the spiritual sphere and a question of duty.
Hierarchical interpretation is a sign of lack of any understaning in this matter. Old spiritual poverty in other words.
> Aside from this, concepts of Rasa and Swarup are
> also used to to create hyarchial status:
> santa-rasa, dasya-rasa, sakhya-rasa, vatsalya-rasa
> and madhurya-rasa. Madhurya often painted as the
> "top-most". And the swarupa of a gopi being
> advertised as the "highest"...
As above. More like a depth of intimacy.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 03/24/2021 03:03AM by DaWatcher.