Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: April 08, 2020 04:07AM

Butler the Cult Leader Litmus test-

Quote:"Dangerous Cult Leaders
Clues to what makes for a pathological cult leader
Posted Aug 25, 2012

One of the questions that I am often asked by students of criminology and psychology is, how do you know when a cult leader is “evil” or “bad”? These of course are vague descriptors to some extent, but I also get the question, “When is a cult leader pathological or a danger to others?” This is a valid question in view of the historical record of suffering and hurt caused by various cult leaders around the world.

From my studies of cults and cult leaders during my time in the FBI, I learned early on that there are some things to look for that, at a minimum, say "caution, this individual is dangerous, and in all likelihood will cause harm to others."

Having studied at length the life, teachings, and behaviors of Jim Jones (Jonestown Guyana), David Koresh (Branch Davidians), Stewart Traill (The Church of Bible Understanding), Charles Manson, Shoko Asahara (Aum Shinrikyo), Joseph Di Mambro (The Order of the Solar Temple a.k.a. Ordre du Temple Solaire), Marshall Heff Applewhit (Heaven’s Gate), Bhagwan Rajneesh (Rajneesh Movement), and Warren Jeffs (polygamist leader), I can say that what stands out about these individuals is that they were or are all pathologically narcissistic. They all have or had an over-abundant belief that they were special, that they and they alone had the answers to problems, and that they had to be revered. They demanded perfect loyalty from followers, they overvalued themselves and devalued those around them, they were intolerant of criticism, and above all they did not like being questioned or challenged. And yet, in spite of these less than charming traits, they had no trouble attracting those who were willing to overlook these features.

These personality traits stand out as the first warning to those who would associate with them, but there are many others. Here is a collection of traits of cult leaders that give us hints as to their psychopathology. This list is not all-inclusive nor is it the final word on the subject; it is merely my personal collection based on studies and interviews that I conducted in my previous career.

If you know of a cult leader who has many of these traits there is a high probability that they are hurting those around them emotionally, psychologically, physically, spiritually, or financially. And of course this does not take into account the hurt that their loved ones will also experience.

Here are the typical traits of the pathological cult leader (from Dangerous Personalities) that you should watch for:

He has a grandiose idea of who he is and what he can achieve.

Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, or brilliance.

Demands blind, unquestioned obedience.

Requires excessive admiration from followers and outsiders.

Has a sense of entitlement—expecting to be treated as special at all times.

Is exploitative of others by asking for their money or that of relatives, putting others at financial risk.

Is arrogant and haughty in his behavior or attitude.

Has an exaggerated sense of power (entitlement) that allows him to bend rules and break laws.

Takes sexual advantage of members of his sect or cult. [Or forbids sex]

Sex is a requirement [or outlawd] with adults and sub adults as part of a ritual or rite.

Is hypersensitive to how he is seen or perceived by others.

Publicly devalues others as being inferior, incapable, or not worthy.

Makes members confess their sins or faults, publicly subjecting them to ridicule or humiliation while revealing exploitable weaknesses of the penitent.

Has ignored the needs of others, including: biological, physical, emotional, and financial needs.

Is frequently boastful of accomplishments.

Needs to be the center of attention and does things to distract others to ensure that he or she is being noticed, e.g., by arriving late, using exotic clothing, overdramatic speech, or by making theatrical entrances.

Has insisted on always having the best of anything (house, car, jewelry, clothes) even when others are relegated to lesser facilities, amenities, or clothing.

Doesn’t seem to listen well to needs of others; communication is usually one-way, in the form of dictates.

Haughtiness, grandiosity, and the need to be controlling is part of his personality.

Behaves as though people are objects to be used, manipulated or exploited for personal gain.

When criticized he tends to lash out not just with anger but with rage.

Anyone who criticizes or questions him is called an “enemy.” [karmis]

Refers to non-members or non-believers as “the enemy.”[karmis]

Acts imperious at times, not wishing to know what others think or desire.

Believes himself to be omnipotent.

Has “magical” answers or solutions to problems.

Is superficially charming.

Habitually puts down others as inferior; only he is superior.

Has a certain coldness or aloofness about him that makes others worry about who this person really is and or whether they really know him.

Is deeply offended when there are perceived signs of boredom, being ignored or of being slighted.

Treats others with contempt and arrogance.

Is constantly assessing people to determine those who are a threat or those who revere him.

The word “I” dominates his conversations. He is oblivious to how often he references himself.

Hates to be embarrassed or fail publicly; when he does he acts out with rage.

Doesn’t seem to feel guilty for anything he has done wrong nor does he apologize for his actions.

Believes he possesses the answers and solutions to world problems.

Believes himself to be a deity or a chosen representative of a deity.

"Rigid," "unbending," or "insensitive" describes how this person thinks.

Tries to control others in what they do, read, view, or think.

Has isolated members of his sect from contact with family or the outside world.

Monitors and/or restricts contact with family or outsiders.

Works the least but demands the most.

Has stated that he is “destined for greatness” or that he will be “martyred.”

Seems to be highly dependent on tribute and adoration and will often fish for compliments.

Uses enforcers or sycophants to ensure compliance from members or believers.

Sees self as “unstoppable” and perhaps has even said so.

Conceals background or family, which would disclose how plain or ordinary he is.

Doesn’t think there is anything wrong with himself and in fact sees himself as perfection or “blessed.”

Has taken away followers' freedom to leave, to travel, to pursue life and liberty.

Has isolated the group physically (moved to a remote area) so as to not be observed.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: T_is_the_shit ()
Date: April 08, 2020 10:01AM

She just got a mask lol!

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: T_is_the_shit ()
Date: April 09, 2020 02:44PM

Does anyone think that Tulsi maybe running for Governor?

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: April 09, 2020 04:32PM

Small bits of chatter on the 'net indicate a "maybe".
Twitterlandia has snippets of intel- and land mines.
Beware Butler, beware.

Orders given by her guru has caused TG to make some
serious mistakes that do not sit well on any political stage.
It is hoped that the good people of Hawaii take note: her guru's
political aspirations knows no bounds.

She of course remains, as always, a loyal devbot.
A vote for Tulsi will always be a vote for Butler.

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: T_is_the_shit ()
Date: April 09, 2020 10:34PM

I would assume if she runs that people will start to dig into the “cult” stuff.

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: April 11, 2020 07:13AM

Word is already out.
People already digging.
Much dirt located.

Tick, tick, tick, Butler.

"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot" - Mark Twain

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Dudley ()
Date: April 11, 2020 09:50AM

You have become the person you rant against.

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Dudley ()
Date: April 11, 2020 09:52AM

Ian you have become the person you rant against.

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: IanKoviak ()
Date: April 11, 2020 11:58AM

I would never want to be the person I rant against. You're welcome to clarify why you support a rabid cult leader. I'll be here relaxing and enjoying the life I have guided by my curiosity, risk taking and brain I have between my ears. I need not believe in fairy tales and vile gurus to achieve contentment and meaning and fulfillment.

Take your bhaktivedanta swami hypocrisy and love for butlers toenails and make your jolly way to frolic with Krishna's cows. Why are you even here? Do you have some vital information to share about your time in this cult or just being the troll you are?

Butler and Bhaktivedanta ruined people's minds and made them slaves to utter idiocy and mind garbage. The stuff written in bhagavatam and bhaktivedanta purports is pure fiction. Butler is shown in videos (soon to be many more that surface) behaving like a high school homophobic jock getting a cheap laugh from his locker room buddies. This is the type of bullshit I had to endure as a 10 year old kid. My childhood was flushed down the toilet. I got a subpar education about horsedrawn chariots pulling the sun around the earth. Being told women were less intelligent and black people a sub race. And three cheers to Hitler while were at it per thr swami!

Cheers good man. Enjoy your summer.

Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Dudley ()
Date: April 11, 2020 08:52PM

"I will continue to smash anyone who comes here playing apologist for bhaktivedanta"

The bullied becomes a bully.

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