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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: August 26, 2025 03:47AM

Check out these books about Siddhaswarupananda’s top cult follower, Tulsi Gabbard. Ironically, not one of them mentions her lifelong ties to the Science of Identity Foundation, her guru Chris Butler (Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa), or her family’s—especially Mike Gabbard’s—decades of service to him and the Hare Krishna offshoot he runs.

This one doesn’t even seem to feature an actual photo of her, just some AI-generated generic woman… LOL!

https://www.amazon.com/Tulsi-Gabbard-Biography-Yahia-Belkherouf/dp/B0CWG8SCG2/ref=asc_df_B0CWG8SCG2?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80264541548647&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=109446&hvtargid=pla-4583864010950742&psc=1&msclkid=f3c0ea24872c103978cf828829988c50

https://www.amazon.com/Tulsi-Gabbard-Biography-Ambition-Service/dp/B0DLC5GZ4B/ref=asc_df_B0DLC5GZ4B?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80264541548647&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=109446&hvtargid=pla-4583864011027494&psc=1&msclkid=7fb683fc6a2714b6c081eb50c493c8e1

No doubt churned out with ChatGPT by a loyal Butler disciple in Hawaii or New Zealand…

https://www.amazon.com/Tulsi-Gabbard-Intelligences-Cybersecurity-Counterterrorism/dp/B0DVSMT7K5/ref=asc_df_B0DVSMT7K5?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=79852230889389&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=109446&hvtargid=pla-4583451694876881&psc=1&msclkid=7a9dd3d5f6fa1a81c98fbb79584ed7d3

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/tulsi-gabbard-warrior-and-peacekeeper-a-heros-quest-for-truth-and-transformation/53482493/item/71604202/?mkwid=%7cdc&pcrid=76622380847791&pkw=&pmt=be&slid=&product=71604202&plc=&pgrid=1225955718369265&ptaid=pla-4580221858468446&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Shopping+%7c+NEW+condition+books&utm_term=&utm_content=%7cdc%7cpcrid%7c76622380847791%7cpkw%7c%7cpmt%7cbe%7cproduct%7c71604202%7cslid%7c%7cpgrid%7c1225955718369265%7cptaid%7cpla-4580221858468446%7c&msclkid=3a8ae12e3a6f13f2b79d89828afa138c#idiq=71604202&edition=71690284

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-story-of-tulsi-gabbard-a-journey-of-courage-service-and-leadership-from-combat-veteran-to-us-congress/53256937/item/64792522/?idiq=64792522&mkwid=%7Cdc&pcrid=76897258815619&pkw=&pmt=be&slid=&product=64792522&plc=&pgrid=1230353765528421&ptaid=pla-4580496734886475&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Shopping%20%7C%20NEW%20condition%20books&utm_term=&utm_content=%7Cdc%7Cpcrid%7C76897258815619%7Cpkw%7C%7Cpmt%7Cbe%7Cproduct%7C64792522%7Cslid%7C%7Cpgrid%7C1230353765528421%7Cptaid%7Cpla-4580496734886475%7C&msclkid=60be6b64195c18c2eb9203c8a9c97e70#edition=71548998&idiq=64792522

This one’s the best—it actually features the back of what looks like a pharmacist…

https://www.amazon.com/Tulsi-Gabbard-Biography-Ambition-Service/dp/B0DLC5GZ4B/ref=asc_df_B0DLC5GZ4B?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80264541548647&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=109642&hvtargid=pla-4583864011027494&psc=1&msclkid=7bf645cc79831542ef042d60c9166368

Remember—this is a top follower of a fanatical religious cult that has spent years trying to infiltrate society through “mantra meditation” and “service to God,” only to funnel loyalty and money back to Chris Butler, his wife Wai Lana, and his endless vanity projects (like pushing a Hare Krishna into the White House). If that ever happened, Tulsi would be pushing an agenda in line with Butler’s worldview—one openly hostile to LGBTQ people, Islam, and anything outside his Krishna-centric sectarianism.

Butler’s followers believe that once he sees his vision fulfilled, he’ll leave his body by “mystic willpower” in samadhi. Until then, his disciples keep washing his dirty laundry and massaging his decaying body.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: August 30, 2025 11:51AM

Butler lingo in full display. Religious fanatic in the Whitehouse.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/tulsi-gabbard-accuses-jen-psaki-hatred-god-after-minneapolis-school-shooting-remarks

Read that shit. Its like sitting through buttholes lectures all over again...

Save yourself from these crippled goons.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: August 31, 2025 12:10AM

RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote:
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> Butler lingo in full display. Religious fanatic in
> the Whitehouse.
>
> https://www.foxnews.com/media/tulsi-gabbard-accuses-jen-psaki-hatred-god-after-minneapolis-school-shooting-remarks
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> Read that shit. Its like sitting through buttholes
> lectures all over again...
>
> Save yourself from these crippled goons.
>
> RUN


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Gabbard responded: "So why is it that people like Jen Psaki and others have such a spontaneous visceral negative reaction to those who are praying to God for refuge, strength, and for the wellbeing of the victims of this heinous attack? Because they do not believe in God or His love."

And why did Ms. Gabbard, who professes faith in God, take money from Planned Parenthood, which officially performs up to 400,000 abortions a year?

Disgusting hypocrisy. One wants to vomit just seeing this creature.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Truth wins ()
Date: August 31, 2025 06:32AM

I hope she knows that many Christians see Yoga and Hindu deities as demonic.
Maybe soon she will say she converted to Christianity.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: August 31, 2025 05:11PM

In Memory of Curly Dave:

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I have to thank Ess Ajay for drawing my attention to this. Warning: gruesome details ahead.
On 13 May 1976, a shed in Grey Lynn blew up.
"An explosion in a shed in Grey Lynn, Auckland, late this afternoon killed two persons, scattering their remains 100 yards on to Great North Road. The people, believed to be members of the Hare Krishna sect, were thought to be working in a shed behind a house in Dean Street rented by members of the sect.
"At first the police were not sure how many people had died. Parts of bodies were scattered over a wide area. The cause of the explosion was not immediately known. It occurred at 4.40 p.m. The police cordoned off almost a quarter of a mile of Great North Road, diverting homeward drivers and pedestrians. The explosion shattered windows of adjoining buildings, scattering wood, iron, and steel tubing over 100 yards from the shed. Human remains were quickly covered, but smaller pieces of matter covered the road, adjoining buildings and cars in several sales yards nearby. The wooden building was reduced to a kindling-wood pile of rubble.
"Inspector P I Jenkinson, in charge of police inquiries, said the cause of the explosion was not known, but an inspector of explosives was making inquiries. One witness, Mr J Litherland of Gollins, said he heard a "terrific” explosion. Still shaken while telling of his experience, Mr Litherland said: “As I came around the corner the first thing I saw was a human arm on the road. The hand had a wedding ring on it. I looked up the road about 175 yards and there were bits of body strewn around. It looked like a bloody battlefield. I looked around and could see where the explosion had been. It was a terrific shock.”
"Another witness, Mrs B Fraser, who works in an adjoining building, said she heard an “almighty” bang, followed by a “plop,” and a small piece of a body landed on the road. “I looked further along the road, although there was a car blocking my view. I saw a hand. I just screamed. I screamed to the boss, went to the back and looked out of the building. I saw streaks of blood across the place and could just see bits and pieces of wood where the shed was. I could see bits and pieces of human. It was ghastly — unbelievable,” Mrs Fraser said.
"Two Roman Catholic priests who heard of the fatalities went to the scene to anoint any bodies. They soon found out the extent of the damage. The Rev P M Meuli said: “We walked right past the scene without realising we were in the middle of it.”
"One witness, who was working in the offices of a car sales yard, Sports Car World, which backs on to the area where the explosion occurred, said he thought his building had been blown up. “I thought the whole place had blown up because the building just suddenly shook violently. I was shocked for a minute,” he said. “A concrete retaining wall which backs right on to the scene probably saved us from the blast. As it was all the light fittings in the office were smashed and fell to the floor.” A carport at the rear of the office had several large holes ripped out of the ceiling and a stack of shelves in it had its contents thrown to the ground.
"Mr M J Loverich, the manager of Loverich Motors, whose property is only yards from where the explosion happened, said he was outside scraping paint off some cars. “There was a loud bang, and then an explosion. Debris was flying through the air, followed by a very dense cloud of smoke which filled the sky,” he said. He said bits of timber and iron rocketed from the explosion and were flung through the air and landed as far as 200 yards away.
"Another witness near the scene said pieces of human membrane were flung out and some landed on the surface of Great North Road, some 100 yards from the seat of the explosion. “It was just unbelievable; really bad; the guys would not have had any time at all to think what had happened.” The ferocity of the explosion was evident. Many of the cars in the car sales yards which line Great North Road, near the scene, were splattered with blood." (Press 14 May 1976)
Those killed in the blast were David Bonner, 22, and Duncan Bonnington, 21. At a Hare Krishna spiritual centre on a farm in Hikurangi in 1974, Bonner's interest in explosives became well known, and he was called "Dave the Bomber" by some, but not really taken seriously. He and Bonnington moved into a rented house and shed at 49 Dean Street in 1975, neither of them a member of the Hare Krishnas. Some had joked that Bonner may have had intentions to blow up a meat works, but none could say Bonner actually said that himself. He was, however, an anti-abortion supporter.
Whatever his intentions, things ended rather abruptly with that premature explosion one day in May, in Grey Lynn, in 1976.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: September 01, 2025 06:29AM


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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: September 01, 2025 04:33PM

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She added: “I completely feel that way. And what I said yesterday and will say again now, though, is that prayer alone is not enough to prevent and end the crisis of gun violence in America. It’s not.”

On the topic of gun violence, Tulsi Gabbard is a bit of an oddity, as she's seen carrying a gun. She's taken money from arms companies and hunting companies (small amounts, but still a violation of Vedic principles).

According to Prabhupada's teachings, the primary activities are book distribution, prasadam, and kirtans. Not political activity. The question arises whether a woman in the Vedas is supposed to be a warrior and not stay at home with her husband. She left her husband and went to Iraq.

Then the question arises as to why she's promoting weapons and flaunting them. In Iraq, she didn't participate in any combat or patrol. She was behind a computer. A clerk.

She directly promotes firearms, but the realities of her life show she didn't have such a need. Let's say, the National Guard. Except that no Guardsman in the US actually shoots people.

As a "vedic" woman she should be at home with husban. What in todays realities is rather a kind of utopia. All parents work etc. She talks about prayer. She has to decide - is she a warrior, director of intelligence or a priest. Priest she's not. Not a sanjasi, not a babaji. Narada did not initiate woman.

Contemplating weapons... There was a juvenile murderer in Poland, Karol Kot. On vacation, he spent time at a nearby slaughterhouse, contemplating it. He drank fresh blood. Then he became fascinated with weapons and knives. Eventually, he began killing people. People on walks, elderly women in church, etc.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/01/2025 04:36PM by Culthusiast.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: September 01, 2025 07:23PM

RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote:
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> Calling it like it is...
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> https://2paragraphs.com/2025/08/tulsi-gabbard-slammed-by-father-of-child-murdered-in-parkland-school-shooting/
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> Despicable is right.
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> RUN


Another question is - why Butler's bodyguards are armed? Rama Ranson:

[ramaransonvsthecult.wordpress.com]


And why didn't Chris Butler just pray? Why wanted armed guards?

I remember the story of the three spiritualists and the lion, one of whom, the Bhakti-yogi, climbed a tree. He was pragmatic. So, is prayer alone enough, since the Vedas recommend pragmatism?

As DNI she has specific responsibilities. She does not manage ATF.

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"The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is a law enforcement agency within the **U.S. Department of Justice**. Formerly, prior to approximately 2003, the ATF was under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Department of the Treasury, but has since been transferred to the oversight of the Department of Justice."



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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: September 02, 2025 02:20AM

Butler always had armed guards. Even in the Philippines, we were taught how to shoot. The older boys—many of whom later served him in Hawaii—spent time firing guns in the backyard of the school.

We were raised with an antagonistic, violent view of the outside world. A lot of us got Narasimha tattoos and wore jackets with roaring Narasimha patches like some kind of cult biker gang. Add in the martial arts obsession, and you basically had soldiers being groomed for Butler.

Intimidation was routine at beach gatherings. His guards sat on Malibu cliffs with binoculars, scoping out anyone who lingered. People were confronted, moved along, made to feel unwelcome. Fear and distrust were built into the culture.

ISKCON has always had violent streaks—members ending up in jail, leaders glorifying a “war against maya.” Bhaktisiddhanta himself styled as the “Narasimha guru,” dismantling anyone who opposed him, which only got him shut out from debates and gatherings. That aggression carried forward—splitting Gaudiya groups into warring factions, breeding distrust. Even now, camps compete for disciples and poach followers with underhanded tactics.

The online Gaudiya forums are proof—bickering endlessly over guru status, whether the jiva fell, or Prabhupada’s position. Same cult, same nonsense, different camps.

Then there’s the hypocrisy of taking money from groups totally opposed to their theology. The justification is always that they’re “purifying karmis’ money for Krishna.” Pure arrogance, with no real scriptural basis—just an excuse to infiltrate politics, business, and anything else they can.

At its core, the movement pushes violent rhetoric—Narasimha, Parasurama, Krishna and Balaram avatars, and endless scriptures glorifying barbaric punishment as “transcendental solutions.” Meanwhile, the modern world has moved on. Violence is lower than ever thanks to humanitarian progress, not cult revenge fantasies.

Butler himself was violent—fascinated by guns, reliant on strongmen, and in recent years still harassing journalists and threatening anyone who speaks up.

Even the violent death of Caroline Sinavaiana-Gabbard shouldn’t be dismissed without scrutiny. Maybe it’s coincidence—but the timing, right as Tulsi maneuvers for higher political ground, is too sharp to ignore. She’ll posture as “anti-war” while posing with rifles on the 4th of July if it wins votes. She talks peace while feeding the same culture of intimidation and violence she was raised in.

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