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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: July 08, 2022 04:02PM

Wai Lana,Hui Lan Zhang, and "River of forgiveness"

[www.facebook.com]

(Why does she move so strangely? Hidden akathisia?)

And here:

"Ping pong of unforgiveness", Madhai das:
[forum.bhaktijoga.pl]

Chris Butler would not forgive until Papa Midgett forgives and Papa Midgett would not forgive until Chris Butler forgives...

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: July 08, 2022 04:34PM

Translation of one excerpt:

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Many devotees in the Chaitania Mission still speculate on what was my offense and do not know exactly what offense I have committed to you, Balakhilya prabhu. I would like to make it clear and admit my guilt. My insult was that at the moment when you Balakhilya prabhu wrote to us, the first email that Gauranga lila dasi gave us afterwards, I quote: “I have very important information that Bhd gave me. [...] Madhai das, who is now probably called Madhavananda das (or something like that), uses all means [...] to get many of you to join his group or his new spiritual master. [...] Balakhilya das once again (he also said this in the last retricle) warns against any contact with him and the group he promotes. Bhd said that it is extremely dangerous to our spiritual life, extremely offensive. [...] Gld ”, apart from the fact that I did not do what I was accused of in this letter, until you said these words, I did not send as many emails with explanations as for these words. Although your words sound offensive to my spiritual master, they imply that contact with a pure devotee like my spiritual master and his sangha of disciples can be dangerous to someone's spiritual life. According to the etiquette of a Vaisnava, I have offended because I should not have disciplined a Vaisnava senior, age and experience senior like You, dear Balakhilya prabhu. Even though I am telling you the truth that what you said is a Vaisnava Aparadha, a hati-mata (insult to the mad elephant), I should not have personally paid attention to you, calling you to order and asking you to apologize to my guru diksa. Instead, I should have approached the older Vaisnavas and your God-brothers with the problem so that they would deal with you, rather than having to deal with the matter alone, which was doomed to fail. It was my mistake, I am not qualified to pay attention to other Vaisnavas and thus settle this conflict. I had no knowledge of it, because while in the Chaitanya Mission, the subject of relations with other Vaisnavas was not discussed in teaching, and I knew nothing about it. I have made an undeniable offense against You, which was to draw the attention of an elder Vaisnava, no matter what the circumstances. I humbly ask you to forgive me for not bringing this matter to your godbrothers who are of equal age and rank, who are now taking refuge at the feet of Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja and therefore more qualified to talk to You about these delicate matters. Please forgive me, a young and inexperienced devotee. I promise I won't make that mistake again.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: July 08, 2022 04:36PM

Papa Midgett:

"The very idea of inviting people to their place shows that they think they have something better, that what we get through A.C. Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Srila Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa Prabhupada and Tusta Krishna dasa is insufficient, that we lack opportunities, knowledge, proper care. and guidance, proper training, etc. They want to help us, they want to open our eyes. This is undoubtedly offensive to Srila Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa Prabhupada and our parampara. "

Papa Midgett, tell me then, what about "the greates authority on reincarnation", ha??



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/08/2022 04:50PM by Culthusiast.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: July 08, 2022 04:46PM

And here, sweet full of love letter to Madhai das. Full of forgiveness....

---------- Forwarded message ----------

From: Honey Bees <honeyimhome06@gmail.com>
Date: 2010/6/5
Subject: master
To: madhaidas@gmail.com

Hi master madai
You said you are offended when your new guru are being insulted.

Don’t you see what you have done, on the first place you are already insulting our spiritual master and you make people confuse. You are trying to steel his activities , you are such a DEMON, you are trying to destroy the good things what they started, thieves! Traitor!

Because of your desired to be a leader and guru , you cause of to much trouble. Your fucking Idiot!

I’ll bet you are going to stub your new guru and you will commit a suicide some bed luck will happened to you this life and your family this is a cursed from your sin.

You will pay !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tlumaczenie:]

Czesc mistrzu Madhai
Powiedziales, ze czujesz sie urazony, kiedy twoj nowy guru jest zniewazany.

Czy nie widzisz co narobiles, w pierwszej kolejnosci zniewazasz naszego mistrza duchowego i wprowadzasz zamieszanie. Probujesz okrasc jego dzialalnosc, jestes takim DEMONEM, starasz sie zniszczyc dobra rzecz, ktora on rozpoczal. Zlodzieju! Zdrajco!

Poniewaz ty wybrales aby byc przywodca i guru, jestes przyczyna jeszcze wiekszych problemow. Ty pierdolony idioto!

Zaloze sie ze uderzysz swojego nowego guru i popelnisz samobojstwo, cos bardzo zlego stanie sie tobie w tym zyciu oraz twojej rodzinie to jest przeklenstwo wywolane twoim grzechem.

Zaplacisz za to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bhava das - 6 czerwca 2010 - fragment wiadomosci, ktora napisal po wyslaniu do niego wyjasnien w sprawie ostatnich listow Balakhilya dasa: [...] GO, AND FUCK YOURSELF! [ tlumaczenie: SPIERDALAJ I PIERDOL SIE]

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: July 08, 2022 04:49PM

This letter is quite a load for analysis.

For example, Balakhilya das blaming the entire Gaudiya Math when, like Madhai das, emphasizes that it is a federation of temples. Even if two members of one temple asked "tricky questions", blaming the entire federation shows that Balakhilya das is imbued with the spirit of partyism.

Besides, Caitanya was a pandita. And for the sake of the audience, a philosophical confrontation is beneficial.

Another interesting aspect is how the loving sender of the letter calls Madhai das "fucking idiot".

Another interesting aspect is that he is accused of "thieving". Steal followers? Are they a property? But if to steal followers, are the followers a target according to Caitanya and there is something to steal?

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: July 08, 2022 05:15PM

Once again Papa Midgett:

", that we lack opportunities, knowledge, proper care. and guidance, proper training,"

1. Ian Koviak said - Chris Butler never visited the brahmacari school during his stay. When problems appeared - "I wasn't in charge. Tapas das was making an offering". Proper care? One polish woman devotee sold an appartment (for Poles is a goal of life to have own appartment) to send her kid there...

2. Chris Butler did not answer letters (himself laughed an example of letters to someone's guru)

3. No call to the centers many years. Poland, Ukraine. Confirmed...

That makes Papa Midget - using their way - "fucking lier".

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: July 08, 2022 07:46PM

Papa Midgett:

"The very idea of inviting people to their place shows that they think they have something better"

Really? And I thought that you can invite someone to your temple as a guest ...

This means:
[en.wikipedia.org]

"In its malignant forms, it is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against disowned and highly negative parts of the self by denying their existence in themselves and attributing them to others, breeding misunderstanding and causing untold interpersonal damage."

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: July 21, 2022 09:38PM

And the saga continues in Hare Krisna schools:

[cultnews.com]

In Butler's schools we were shown graphic videos made by Mike Gabbard under the Stop Promoting Homosexuality program Bitler asked him to start that featured gay men having sex in the street and dying of AIDS. Butler gave countless graphic lectures about all manner of sex acts that were heard by kids as young as 6, 9, 12 years of age. Yet Butler devotees and Tulsi Gabbard squawk that "Our education system is failing our kids..." because a few schools introduce sex-ed talks to lessen discrimination against gender-fluid people or LGBTQ+ people. Laughing stock. I knew more about heavy gay porn from Butler lectures at 11 years of age than any school ever attempted to teach me. All to the tune of Butler devotees laughing and spewing their own hate.

Never mind the abuses and ridicule, emotional and psychological abuse in Butler's all-boy schools at the hands of unqualified teachers, religious fanatics and a total lack of councilors or any mental health intervention for many boys who were obviously suffering and severely unhappy.

What to speak of Mike Gabbards gurukulas way before the PI ones where all manner of child abuse took place in the early days as detailed on this forum.

To this day there are schools operated in the PI by unqualified instructors and time will only reveal how much abuse has gone on.

You see, in cults like this, there is a high level of secrecy. I have detailed before how the whole Siddha das prostitute event was handled in the PI. What to speak of Butler having his personal servants sign NDAs and all manner of secrecy and tight-lipped activities in the name of not committing apradha or offences etc. Devotees who are subject to discomfort, injustice, inequality and downright abuses are often in fear of committing a grand sin by speaking up against leaders, people in power, higher-ups and senior devotees in the cult structure. Doing so in their eyes can quite literally result in liftimes if not complete barring of entry into the "fold", i.e. playing with the cow-god playboy forever and ever, To this day I have friends who have lierally been raped and physically and emotionally abused beyond compare by devotees that adhere to the hare krsihna ideology. The whole philosophy spares no warning in making it very clear that vaishnava apradha is the "elephant offense". Which in this day and age has mostly amounted in a code of silence surrounding leaders who are complete charlatans and masters of verbal and emotional manipulation. Never mind the complete nonsense philosophy (if you can call it that) they spew every chance they get.

Ironically any of the modern-day parents of Butler would NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS send their kids to some random "gurukula" in the PI. Nor did Butler or any of his old disciples ever go to such schools.

The cult mind is ready to sacrifice the minds of their kids on the altar of some blue playboy god and fill their kids brains with utter mind waste in the naive hope that everyone will go to cow-heaven and become a 12 year old manjari girl helping god and his made-up girlfriend get off for eternity.

Jai ho! Fucking naive assholes.

Keep serving your tin-foil guru and castrating your kids you mindless fucks.

Bhalakilya was smoking Tulsi leaves and drinking non-alcoholic beer for years playing the art of spiritual vagabond, but alas he is now old and worried more about party-spirit politics than any genuine spiritual life.

Butler's cult is swimming with deadbeat pot-head surfers pretending they are on some next-level spiritual journey. Brains fell out of their skull.

Suppose India, the land and original source of meditation, mantras, 300 million gods etc is riddled with systemic problems and an over-populated nation of hindus. What makes us think, in any rational historical context, that it will somehow be a boon to the western mind or society in any place to adapt such naive methods of curing social ills and evils????

Guru's like butler spent the majority of their early days building up a cult that assured their financial stability and gain. Once that was guaranteed/secured, they retreated to the little tin-foil-lined house on the beach and lived out their days getting massaged and fed mangoes all day.

Bhaktivedanta sold myths and hindu stories to his gullible hippie disciples. He established temples and schools riddled with abuse happening in some form to this very day. The average Instagram hare krishna of the modern day and age is just as victim to the social-media culture as any lay person or other religious people in modern times. They want to sell their god and self-righteous ideology to the masses believing they are giving people some hope and better things. all while denying reality, science and rational thought. The very mistake that got most of humanity to where we are today; Fundamentalist religious thought is rolling back social advancements as we speak.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: July 21, 2022 10:46PM

RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote:
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> Yet Butler devotees and Tulsi Gabbard squawk that
> "Our education system is failing our kids..."
> because a few schools introduce sex-ed talks to
> lessen discrimination against gender-fluid people
> or LGBTQ+ people. Laughing stock. I knew more
> about heavy gay porn from Butler lectures at 11
> years of age than any school ever attempted to
> teach me. All to the tune of Butler devotees
> laughing and spewing their own hate.

And what about "we must forgive him"...I mean nasty things with kids in the cult.

And Midgett "The Silencer". After suicide of Kasia Socha.

> What to speak of Butler having his personal
> servants sign NDAs and all manner of secrecy and
> tight-lipped activities in the name of not
> committing apradha or offences etc.

Sure. NDA necessary but not social insurance for workers...


> Bhalakilya was smoking Tulsi leaves and drinking
> non-alcoholic beer for years playing the art of
> spiritual vagabond, but alas he is now old and
> worried more about party-spirit politics than any
> genuine spiritual life.

Only non-alkoholic? His hair on some pictures has strange symptoms you know...
Anyway - any nice evidence with him drinking would be a great treasure.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: July 22, 2022 02:56AM

Thank you , Run_Forest_Run,
You are correct !

"The cult mind is ready to sacrifice the minds of their kids on the altar of some blue playboy god and fill their kids brains with utter mind waste in the naive hope that everyone will go to cow-heaven and become a 12 year old manjari girl helping god and his made-up girlfriend get off for eternity.

Jai ho! Fucking naive assholes.

Keep serving your tin-foil guru and castrating your kids you mindless fucks.

Bhalakilya was smoking Tulsi leaves and drinking non-alcoholic beer for years playing the art of spiritual vagabond, but alas he is now old and worried more about party-spirit politics than any genuine spiritual life.

Butler's cult is swimming with deadbeat pot-head surfers pretending they are on some next-level spiritual journey. Brains fell out of their skull.

Suppose India, the land and original source of meditation, mantras, 300 million gods etc is riddled with systemic problems and an over-populated nation of hindus. What makes us think, in any rational historical context, that it will somehow be a boon to the western mind or society in any place to adapt such naive methods of curing social ills and evils????

Guru's like butler spent the majority of their early days building up a cult that assured their financial stability and gain. Once that was guaranteed/secured, they retreated to the little tin-foil-lined house on the beach and lived out their days getting massaged and fed mangoes all day.

Bhaktivedanta sold myths and hindu stories to his gullible hippie disciples. He established temples and schools riddled with abuse happening in some form to this very day. The average Instagram hare krishna of the modern day and age is just as victim to the social-media culture as any lay person or other religious people in modern times. They want to sell their god and self-righteous ideology to the masses believing they are giving people some hope and better things. all while denying reality, science and rational thought. The very mistake that got most of humanity to where we are today; Fundamentalist religious thought is rolling back social advancements as we speak." End quote.


You see- what Butler has ALWAYS been about, was FEAR !! CONTROL !! LIES !! and $$$.


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