Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: DaWatcher ()
Date: October 17, 2019 02:25AM

corboy Wrote:
> So called Mindfulness meditation has become a fad
> and a very big business.

Here is a quote from the passage describing the benefits of Mindfulness from the text inviting to a public lecture. I will comment briefly on the times I remember.

"When was the last time you asked yourself, how am I? Is everything ok with me, do I live a happy life or do I have time for myself? When was the last time you had time to relax, take a deep breath and find a moment to listen to the birds singing and the wind, look at the sky. When was the last time you had time to look inside yourself and analyze your emotions and do an internal inventory? Ask the question who I am and why I do all this?"

My comment:

Of course, everything was voluntary, but as far as I can remember, for example, the program on the so-called retreats were so tight that he caused me stress. But this was just acceptable. At some point I noticed that leaving the program and contemplating the beauty of nature at the time, I feel attracted to God and His creation. Paradox. It

Another words:

I took to relax, took a deep breath and found a moment to listen to the birds singing and the wind, look at the sky. And it was'nt the last time I had time to look inside myself and analyze my emotions and do an internal inventory. I asked the question who I am and why I do all this - exactly.

I should of course say that there has been a lot of changes for good in Poland. In turn, a very intense program of worshiping Deities was unbearable by a small group of devotees in small centers - combining work, study and worship and even going outside. Reality.

Another citation:

"Such and such is an internationally recognized yoga and meditation teacher,"

Isn't it a form of creation? Recognized in the world? After all, the Vaisnava tradition clearly states that the guru is self-effulgent.

Finally, positive aspect, about the Guru's attainability, publicly available letter from A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami:

Letter to: Hansadutta, London 18 November, 1969, VedaBase

My Dear Hansadutta,

Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated November 7, 1969. Whenever there is difficulty in understanding you are at liberty to question me, and it is my duty to give you the right reply as far as possible. There is no cause of anxiety for this method. Questions and answers is the relationship for the Spiritual Master and disciple. The only thing is that questions should be put, as it is advised in the Bhagavad-gita, preceded and followed by submission and service. With this, all questions are bona fide. Regarding the application for the school, I don't think it is very lucrative job. If you want your Spiritual Master to be engaged in some outside job, you must see that He is getting suitable remuneration. I am therefore returning this form as there is no use of it.

Regarding the building, if it is already acquired by the university, then if you purchase, the university authorities must give you guarantee that they will return the money, whatever we have paid, after deducting the usual rent only. On this we can negotiate. For the land, first of all ascertain the real situation as I inquired in my last letter. Then try to secure it. But the university course should be given more stress than purchasing the house or securing the land. This is a very important thing. If such courses are taken by you, then practically there is no need of my employment there. Regarding Citsukhananda, I do not know whether his Spanish education is sufficient for the purpose of right translation, but he can make some portion and send it to me. I shall examine it and then give my direction. In the meantime he can try to translate our BTG and you may try to print a Spanish edition of BTG as you were doing in Montreal of French edition. That will be a nice job for him and an opportunity to nicely expand our literary activities.

Please offer my blessings to Himavati and the others. I hope this will meet you in good health.

Your ever well-wisher,

A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami


A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami even addresses the problem of a student who is afraid to ask questions of the Guru.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/17/2019 02:27AM by DaWatcher.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: October 17, 2019 11:35AM

Very true, Corboy:

Quote:"Fact check anything and anyone offering classes and workshops in these areas.

If someone who has no prior background in activism shows up presenting themselves, fact check them. When cults self destruct, senior teachers often make new careers for themselves and go into areas where they can recruit generous gullible people."

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: DaWatcher ()
Date: October 18, 2019 03:02AM

VoxVeritasVita Das Wrote:
> Ed note: The Kris Robinson in this
> article, is the son of Jiva Nanda Dasi and
> Chaitanya das, two long time disciples of Butler.
> His sister is married to Balaram Muncie, Tusta
> das' eldest son. His other son Aja sits in a jail
> cell with a release date 2026.

You mean Tusta Krishna das's son Aja sits in a jail till 2026? For what?

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Gurus and Dictators Share Same Headspace
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: October 19, 2019 03:41AM

Hillary Clinton Appears to Suggest the Russians are Grooming Tulsi Gabbard For a Third Party Run


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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: AC4711 ()
Date: October 19, 2019 06:46AM

804,593 views so far on our little topic of an obscure cult leader from Hawaii. Than you Rick Ross. Your forum has helped shed a light on more than just the Science of Identity, but many more.

Many have been sued by SIF ( I miss Henry and his Youtube Posts, the cult got to him in Canada and thrashed him into silence, we too also heard the other voices on the boat "accident tape" you were wronged Henry but you are a good man)

The SIF Cult harassed (sent their minions to stalk an independent courageous reporter in Hawaii)

The SIF cult tried to infiltrate this forum and identify many who choose to remain anonymous out of fear of this same retribution.
But alas the Views keep piling up and the quote and song will be the same.
"Truth is the truth hurts, dont you agree?"
A great song that I am dedicating to Mr. Butler and his devotees. I love you all and I hope you can learn to love yourselves...
"Sorry" Guns and Roses

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Re: Gurus and Dictators Share Same Headspace
Posted by: Vera City ()
Date: October 19, 2019 11:07PM

corboy Wrote:
> Hillary Clinton Appears to Suggest the Russians
> are Grooming Tulsi Gabbard For a Third Party Run
> []

Hilariously Odd. As if Hillary is the paragon of virtue. Clinton also claims Jill Stein is a Russian asset.

What is significant is how the media bypasses the REAL STORY...

Gabbard is stuck between two bad masters; The Crazy Democratic Party leadership & her Mad Hatter Guru. If she goes 3rd party, her guru has more control back.

Why is the media missing all of this? Figure it out for yourselves.

If you are coming after Tulsi from the left you can not bring up her affiliation with Butler. It's not politically correct in this Post Modern world of Relativism, but you can call her a Russian asset. How puerile...

It's ironic as Tulsi surfs the waves of relativism while thinking she is serving the absolute truth...
Never mind...

If you come after Gabbard from the conservative side, you also do not dare be accused of Hinduphobia. But she exhibits her hypocracy boldly as she attacks Trump for acting on her signature policy - pulling out of interventionist wars.

So what does BUTLER want? A socialist eco paradise with free health care, Universal Basic Income, & unchecked immigration. Tulsi is a great recruiter for the foolishly idealistic. Butler will draw from her pool and take 50% of their income & import volunteers for devotional service (slaves) from around the world to serve his lotus whims.

With free health care, Butler doesn't need to be responsible for his workers well being --- and everyone will get tested for giardia* for free!

Who is going to pay for all this? We who pay taxes.

*There was a time when one child had giardia in Honolulu ~ so EVERYONE whether they worked directly for Butler or not had to get & PAY FOR the horrible test. It was his paranoia & no epidemic. No one else had it...

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: October 20, 2019 10:39AM

Correct Vera- extremely funny that Clinton even chimed in at all. Tulsi was spittin' mad. She nearly always uses that key word:'SMEAR'.

Kind of like, "I smell a rat".

Again the hypocrisy. Meanwhile as AC4711 mentioned above, the cult "smeared" as best they could, Henry, Rama and countless others. They silenced Canada Girl by calling up her Guru and threatening who knows what to get her Guru to shut her up. She promptly did so. They also have gone after Christine Gralow. They even went after the New York Times. As it has been mentioned before, they operate very much like Scientology does. Don't forget the rest of those 8,000 pages of transcripts. More is surely to be revealed. Tulsi will not be able to escape her fate. And then once all the evidence is in hand, law enforcement will be able to go after the real culprit.

This isn't about religion.
This isn't about bigotry.
Its not even about Hindus.
And it has absolutely NOTHING to do with Spirituality.

804,593 views!! Great job, keep it up. Let's hit a million views shall we?

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: CarlFig ()
Date: October 21, 2019 11:10PM

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard gets 2020 endorsement from David Duke

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: October 23, 2019 04:26AM

The real reason Tulsi went into the military was to bolster her CV- on Butler's orders no doubt.
And she has played that Military/Vet Card as much as she can.

Quote:"Tulsi Gabbard Violated Military Regulations for Political Gain in Every Campaign Since 2012

Jun 13, 2018 · 5 min read

Hawaii Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard not only opportunistically exploits her military service during the Iraq war to mislead people into thinking she was against that war (she wasn’t until it was over), she also consistently violates military regulations governing partisan political activity.
As someone who is still a member of the National Guard, she is subject to Department of Defense (DoD) Directive 1344.10 which regulates how candidates may and may not use images of themselves in uniform during partisan election campaigns:

These military regulations are why disclaimers appeared under Gabbard in the famous Bernie Sanders 2016 primary campaign ad “The Cost of War” noting that her appearance did not indicate or imply endorsement by either the military or the DoD:

Unlike Sanders, Gabbard is rather unscrupulous when it comes to regulations and the law. So for example, Gabbard’s “Vote Tulsi” Facebook page posted the following image of her in uniform as a fund-raising appeal during her 2012 congressional campaign:

This violates DoD Directive 1344.10 in two ways. First of all, the directive forbids the use of “photographs, drawings, and other similar media formats of themselves in uniform as the primary graphic representation in any campaign media, such as a billboard, brochure, flyer, Web site, or television commercial.” Secondly, there is no disclaimer.
A few days before the November 2014 general election, Gabbard’s campaign posted this on her “Vote Tulsi” Facebook page:

Again, Gabbard used a photo of herself in uniform as the primary image on campaign material and again there was no disclaimer.
During Gabbard’s 2016 re-election campaign, there were multiple violations of DoD Directive 1344.10. While running in a contested primary against progressive challenger Shay Chan Hodges, this photo was posted by her campaign on the “Vote Tulsi” Facebook page:

Here, not only did Gabbard violate DoD Directive 1344.10 but so did her friends, Eunjin and Jackie, even though it is unlikely Gabbard obtained their written permission to use their images in campaign materials. In fact, the Congresswoman was explicitly warned about violating these DoD rules in the comments section of her “Vote Tulsi” Facebook page six years ago under a photo of another uniformed military member that she used as an endorsement:

After defeating Hodges in the 2016 primary, during the general election Gabbard’s campaign posted this photo of herself in uniform on the “Vote Tulsi” Facebook page:

Anyone who thinks this is not a serious issue would be sorely mistaken — Army reservist Jesse Thorsen was formally reprimanded for heartily endorsing Ron Paul in 2012 in uniform at one of his presidential campaign rallies.

Oddly enough, Gabbard and her staff seem to be aware of DoD Directive 1344.10 judging by the disclaimer on this Memorial Day photo posted on her “Vote Tulsi” Facebook page last year when no election was going on:

Why Gabbard adheres to military rules regulating partisan political activity only when she is not running in a partisan campaign for political office is anyone’s guess.

As if flagrantly and repeatedly violating military regulations were not bad enough, it is almost certainly unconstitutional for Gabbard to serve in Congress while she is a commissioned officer of the U.S. Army National Guard. As a Des Moines Register article by Jason Noble noted:

“Article I, Sec. 6, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution forbids members of Congress from holding ‘any office under the United States’ concurrent with their congressional service.
“The constitutional language itself is plain and contains no exceptions. That’s led legal scholars to conclude that individuals holding military commissions — even in the Reserve Component — should be barred from simultaneously serving in Congress
“In a 2009 Georgetown Law Review article, attorney David J. Shaw reviewed congressional precedents dating to 1789, as well as case law on the matter, and concluded reservists should be barred from holding office unless they resign their military offices.”

The likelihood of Gabbard resigning from the U.S. Army National Guard so that she no longer violates the Constitution by serving in Congress is probably zero given that she tried to hold onto her seat in the Hawaii state legislature while fighting in Iraq and was only prevented from doing so by DoD rules that prohibit active-duty troops from holding political office." End quote.

*Photos mentioned above are on the original web site below.*


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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: October 23, 2019 04:32AM

Tulsi Gabbard was a clerk in a supply battalion. She took part in no firefights, and she did not go on patrols. She's NOT a combat veteran.
Tulsi was a specialist (E-4 rank) in the 29th Brigade Supply Battalion. She was an administrator in the medical company. In other words, she was a CLERK. She served at Logistical Support Area (LSA) Anaconda, which was hit by mortar rounds and sniper fire. The entire medical company was awarded the CMB @ Anaconda, even the cooks?

We all know that calling yourself a combat veteran would indicate that you took part in combat.
Like Pete Buttigieg, Gabbard was a noncombatant. Buttigieg worked on computers in Afghanistan. Do you think these two lying about their service record is a slap in the face of combat veterans?

“Those who know, don’t talk; and those who talk, don’t know.”
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