Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: February 08, 2016 02:24PM

Rama check you PM's

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Spiritual Ponzi Scheme
Posted by: Vera City ()
Date: February 08, 2016 08:06PM

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Ian Koviak
Crazy development here with all of this. Hopefully the end-days for SIF and many other money hungry, attention greedy, self righteous, bigoted, duplistic, hypocritical and downright scary cults within the Hare Krishna umbrella. Amazing work and proactiveness from all of you. The air is less incense-laden out here. Breath deep.

I finished watching the Bernie Maddoff movie with Richard Dreyfus. As you know, Madoff "made off" with other people's money by promising formidably higher returns than the banks or investment companies. What he did was park billions of other people's money in his own bank account without investing in the market. He sent fake statements to his investors making it appear as if they were getting richer. He fooled them for years. He even passed an audit with the authorities. He finally got busted by a persistent math and research geek (like our friends Flash, Vox, Rama, etc) and a brave journalist. At first the press did not believe Madoff was running a Ponzi scheme. It turns out, he stole more money than any thief in the history of the world.

In my opinion, Madoff has a lot of similarities to Butler. The only difference is that Butler is running a "spiritual" Ponzi scheme. (Okay, let's not forget some of the "real world" scams with which he is also allegedly involved). I'm focusing here on his guru scam. You invest in him with your money and labor and are promised a high rate of return in the form a place at the feet of guru and Krishna in the spiritual world. Butler promises higher returns than any other spiritual path. He makes fake statements to his followers and people have been fooled for years. In the end, he appears to be just another thief and liar. He can never deliver on his promises. He is banking both your material and spiritual life away for his own, selfish benefit. Not only that, he is depriving your children and grand children of any real legacy or freedom.

All of Madoff's investors were made to feel special and exclusive. He gave out extravagant gifts and bought people. Butler does the same thing. His inner circle is made to feel superior to the rest of humanity. He shares his wealth and influence with them. When people asked Madoff how was he able to bat impossibly high rates of return, all he said was that he knows the market and is a "Magician". Similarly, Butler claims to know g0d and implies he is infallible and mystically empowered.

Madoff's own sons turned their father in to the authorities (presumably to save their own asses and assets). Butler's "spiritual" children are finally waking up and exposing him.

Madoff knew he was a con man and had fellow crooks assisting him. He had an addiction to money, power, and adulation. He came up with crazy ideas to rationalize his scam. He only felt remorse for his family and not the majority of the Jewish clients whose lives he ruined. Most are still waiting for their money. They will never see a dime. One son committed suicide and the other died of cancer. Butler knows he is a fake and has fellow fakers assisting him. He has an addiction to money, power, and adulation. He comes up with crazy ideas to rationalize his scam. The difference is that Butler's "spiritual" payoff is impossible to prove. His followers are in a trap where they have to lie to themselves about their "bliss" or appear spiritually deficient. Madoff's clients had the protection of the law. Who looks out for religious promises and returns?

As Ian suggested, the clouds of incense are dispersing and Butler is getting exposed. If one is still in the cult, there are ways to test his infallibility. Better check your spiritual retirement plans kids.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: dharmabum ()
Date: February 09, 2016 07:51PM

Sai Hansen is a good kid and has serious talent. His dad is a world-class guitarist; could have been a serious contender to the likes of Santana, Stevie Ray Vaughn or Ry Cooder. He was up there, had he chosen the same path.

Accounts of Sai terrorizing the beaches of Kailua and Lanikai – speeding fast beachgoers, cutting off fishing lines and being rude and disrespectful – if true, although out of character, is not surprising at all. Whether we like it or not, we are a product of our environment. Kids need intellectual freedom and free of prejudices. As the world continues to change for the better – more global and duly informed of just about anything, the millennial tide is rising to wash away barriers of old religions, races, genders and creeds. Meanwhile, these Haribol kids are missing out the revolution; a unique time that is for their taking.

Sai Hansen and the second generation of Haribol devotees see the world outside the walls as dark, dirty, depraved and worthless. Sai could have been an effective and functional member of society; instead, he’s going to jail.

To Chris Butler Siddhaswarup: Fake gurus will be exposed. There’s no way around that. No amount of Gita quotes will save you from the outrage. Only the weak-minded are affected by them. The people you are fond of calling karmis, sex maniacs, demons, meat-mouths, and offensive (to whom?), they will be at your door, and they are gonna shove a tofurkey up your self-righteous, pure and holy ass. Misogynist asshole.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: February 10, 2016 05:09AM

There is no place to hide, Butler-no place.

There is also some issues regarding if it really was Sai that was driving- but this is being looked into.
Suffice to say there are people that know the truth and they will be
coming forward. The locals know who the driver was.


I actually took a closer look at Sai Hansen and his father Prahlad das/Eddie Hansen.
Its just another example of really honest talent going to waste and not being allowed to fulfill its potential due to serving the Master.

Not to mention some serious brainwashing.
Check this out- can you see the blinders on, even after all this time?
Sad.
Introducing Eddie Hansen aka Prahlad das. As he is now.
Scroll to the bottom the “ASMY" page to watch the You Tube video.

[asmy.org.au]

And, back in the day, Eddie Hansen, circa 1972 BCB (before Chris Butler)

Free your mind - AWAKE - NOT!

(If only I had a time machine...)

[www.youtube.com]


.....Guess it wasn’t his night.....

[www.youtube.com]



I’ll have more on Sai and Eddie Hansen soon.

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Sai Hansen Confirmed
Date: February 10, 2016 06:29AM

Keep up the great posts, everyone, I gotta catch up here.

I wrote a new article. We heard from the witnesses and family, including Trey that it was indeed Sai Hansen who was driving the boat.

So far no mention of others besides one adult and one young girl in the boat. This begs many questions still as how did one adult lift Trey into the boat, launch the boat, etc...

https://ramaransonvsthecult.wordpress.com/2016/02/09/sai-hansen-serves-chris-butler/

Cult Boat spotted today being gassed up by a rubber glove wearing cult member:http://youtu.be/Y5HEvaz5KgI

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Re: Sai Hansen Confirmed
Date: February 10, 2016 07:22AM

https://ramavscultdocs.wordpress.com/2016/02/09/cult-boat-still-not-impounded/



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/10/2016 07:25AM by Rama Das (slave name).

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Trinity Blog
Date: February 10, 2016 07:27AM

I saw this awesome new blog, too. Not sure if anyone is aware of this yet, Still Haven't caught up!

https://trinity396.wordpress.com/2016/02/07/silence/

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: February 10, 2016 08:17AM


Prahlad and Radha Krsna Dasi (Eddie Hansen and Robyn Hansen), parents of Sai Hansen, live in Australia. They raised their sons to believe that guru Chris Butler should be obeyed like “God”. Notice Krishna over the bookcase.
More details in my updated article about the owners of cult boats.
The Hansen family had great potential in the music field which was all wasted in their service to a false guru. Now, they must deal with their son's alleged responsibility for the death of Kailua Waterman, Sri Shim.

Flash

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: February 10, 2016 10:58PM


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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: February 11, 2016 07:39PM

[khon2.com]

The state Department of Land and Natural Resources says officers have finished their investigation into last month’s deadly incident between a boater and diver in Kailua.

The case has been sent to the Honolulu prosecutor’s office.

On Jan. 9, Sri Shim, 59, and his stepson, Trey Albrecht, 25, were diving off their kayak about 600 feet offshore when they were both struck by a boat.

Comments on My Kailua: [www.facebook.com]

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