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cultreporter
Now you are worried some crazy guy might come and shoot you?

This is a total over-reaction. If you posted his pic the cult would deliver to his house a bottle of holy foot-water and return his life membership card for acting with their best intentions in mind and not being a rat.

Oh perhaps
I should have said that
In disjointed sentences
In order to be understood
[b:bb424dc66a][i:bb424dc66a]With the occassional emphasis thrown in[/i:bb424dc66a][/b:bb424dc66a]

Just like

How.. ah

Guru deva Siddhaswarupananda

Speaks!
Listen to this for too long
And you brain.. Ah

will develop a hemorrhagic cyst

[b:bb424dc66a]And now I feel like yelling at one of my devotees [/b:bb424dc66a][/size:bb424dc66a]

Do you understand this? Hmmm...

Hmm..restoring old videos? Wouldnt happen to be old editions of JG speaks by any chance? Maybe they want to cut out some of the boring bits, minimise the 'tude and add a twinkle in the eye to improve public relations??

[phoenix.craigslist.org]

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Avid Editor

Reply to: barrylay@cableone.net
Date: 2007-05-04, 2:41PM MST


We are looking for one or two more Avid editors to work remotely using their own Media Composer (v 2.7 required). They must be capable of restoring older video originated footage, requiring color correction and quality improvement skills. If anyone is interested please contact me. Thanks Barry Lay Sunset Studios
Cottonwood, AZ
• Location: None
• Compensation: Can be a daily rate or a per show rate
• Principals only. Recruiters, please don't contact this job poster.
• Please, no phone calls about this job!
• Please do not contact job poster about other services, products or commercial interests.

From November 2005

Barbara wrote :

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I have noticed an interesting pattern happening over and over on this thread.

1. A question was asked.
2. Some readers start to speculate about the question.
3. Someone who claims to be an insider writes in with some information
4. Immediately following this, another person who claims to be an insider writes in and promises intimate details only if they are given actual names.
5. No more useful information is revealed at this point
5. The line of questioning is aborted.

Then the pattern repeats.
Does anyone else find this odd?

And it has only continued. This is an exact mirror of what I was also told by RKd when he spoke to me recently - you can have the truth, just give us names. If I am going to give up my beloved to not disclose other people then I am surely not going to do it for nothing am I? I dont really care what j-g says because I am known in the Vaishnava community (guru-kula non affiliated and for all intensive definitional purposes I am a student of Jagad Guru) and they know that I conduct myself with integrity and respect for "informants". Since this is where I am informed from the attempts here to subvert communications between participants of this forum and former members are "only showbottle" as ACB would say.

I do not think SoI would kill me - threaten maybe as they did, actually do it - no. Reliable sources have told me a long time ago that their pattern of action is slander, intimidation and perhaps some covert attack such as planting drugs in your house and tipping off the police.

When one has a PO Box and a mobile number available and unidentified persons are continually trying to get more contact info, when SoI members predictably follow me to where I am as alluded to on this forum (intentionally on my behalf) and call up the landlord and send someone around and make a point of driving past and idling their cars nearby then yes they are watching here. Even the fact that they have info about me that only one person would know speaks that they have gone digging. They have done their best. They have called in their men with the police force (yes Eaglby Dave - you and your colleague Steve Cochrane are a menance to society and a blister on the butt of QLD police). The most sensational part was trying to lure me to get on a plane to [...] - today do not delay I will pay for the ticket right now. This is the person that zelig flew off the handle for me going out of contact with. :wink:

There was nothing that happened to me that did not happen to the reporters in the recent BBC Scientology expose. That is great viewing for anyone who wants to get a perspective on cults.

I am a danger to life and liberty of ex followers uh-uh I am not dealing with ex followers with these three guys, their supplementary critics aside, and yes I can elaborate on that and explain/prove it on my own site.

The entire show is so obvious and ridiculous that it only adds to the exposure of the nature of your organisation. Being a cult activist is of course not for everyone but these admonishments for not getting on with my life (also cult echoes) are absurd - what do you think I am doing? This forum has been far more instrumental in exposing SoI than I am sure even they have realised - for future reference - not everyone is stupid enough to reveal things by accident and women are not a lower life form. You guys evidently underestimated me way too much.

From November 2005

Barbara wrote :

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I have noticed an interesting pattern happening over and over on this thread.

1. A question was asked.
2. Some readers start to speculate about the question.
3. Someone who claims to be an insider writes in with some information
4. Immediately following this, another person who claims to be an insider writes in and promises intimate details only if they are given actual names.
5. No more useful information is revealed at this point
5. The line of questioning is aborted.

Then the pattern repeats.
Does anyone else find this odd?

And it has only continued. This is an exact mirror of what I was also told by RKd when he spoke to me recently - you can have the truth, just give us names. If I am going to give up my beloved to not disclose other people then I am surely not going to do it for nothing am I? I dont really care what j-g says because I am known in the Vaishnava community (guru-kula non affiliated and for all intensive definitional purposes I am a student of Jagad Guru) and they know that I conduct myself with integrity and respect for "informants". Since this is where I am informed from the attempts here to subvert communications between participants of this forum and former members are "only showbottle" as ACB would say.

I do not think SoI would kill me - threaten maybe as they did, actually do it - no. Reliable sources have told me a long time ago that their pattern of action is slander, intimidation and perhaps some covert attack such as planting drugs in your house and tipping off the police.

When one has a PO Box and a mobile number available and unidentified persons are continually trying to get more contact info, when SoI members predictably follow me to where I am as alluded to on this forum (intentionally on my behalf) and call up the landlord and send someone around and make a point of driving past and idling their cars nearby then yes they are watching here. Even the fact that they have info about me that only one person would know speaks that they have gone digging. They have done their best. They have called in their men with the police force (yes Eaglby Dave - you and your colleague Steve Cochrane are a menance to society and a blister on the butt of QLD police). The most sensational part was trying to lure me to get on a plane to Canada - today do not delay I will pay for the ticket right now. This is the person that zelig flew off the handle for me going out of contact with. :wink:

There was nothing that happened to me that did not happen to the reporters in the recent BBC Scientology expose. That is great viewing for anyone who wants to get a perspective on cults.

I am a danger to life and liberty of ex followers uh-uh I am not dealing with ex followers with these three guys, their supplementary critics aside, and yes I can elaborate on that and explain/prove it on my own site.

The entire show is so obvious and ridiculous that it only adds to the exposure of the nature of your organisation. Being a cult activist is of course not for everyone but these admonishments for not getting on with my life (also cult echoes) are absurd - what do you think I am doing? This forum has been far more instrumental in exposing SoI than I am sure even they have realised - for future reference - not everyone is stupid enough to reveal things by accident and women are not a lower life form. You guys evidently underestimated me way too much.

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cultreporter
The "Danger : Child Pornography" booklet by Jagad Guru - not generally available goes into specific vulgar details about sexual acts performed on children which beg the question where did Jagad Guru get this information and why would he want to repeat it?

When I was 13 I found a 'Life Force News' paper in a box at my friends home. This was published in New Zealand and by my best guess would have been printed in the early eighties. It was only a few pages a little smaller that your average newspaper. One of the articles was on child pornography. Whether it was a reprinting of the above book I don't remember but illustrating the article was a full-page photo of a girl around 4 years old. They did seem to use the biggest shock value possible.

In the article Butler described child pornography and child sex-slavery in America as rampant, that it had been spreading in NZ and was becoming more popular in Australia.

He made it appear as if you could walk into a store and find this type of material easily and openly in certain places. Then he retold the story of 'someone' who went into an adult store that had coin-operated machines where you'd insert a coin and the movie starts playing. This particular film was described in highly graphic details.

The article also mentioned parents selling their children and details of how it occurs. Not just a vague comment. Which then led onto snuff movies and the canibalism that occurs at the conclusion of these movies which is also mentioned in Reincarnation Expained.

I don't think he revealed how he managed to come across any information in the article. I also think it should be asked what his sources are and even why he would know anything about these things. Why use explicit details? Why would he reseach topics like this to distribute freely among followers? Where did a sannyasi learn abot 'rimming' and gerbils and all the anti-homosexual "facts" (which are even mathematically impossible) that are presented on the Gabbard show.

In the Life Force News article he presented the information in such a format that appears it's sole aim was to scare people like most, if not all, of his lectures. In the Jagad Guru Speaks 'reincarnation' TV lecture where he says near the beginning "if it scares you, you should be scared". Fear of leaving. It has been mentioned that he wished to support his armageddon theories by showing that the predictions of the end of Kali-yuga mentioned in ACB's books are upon us.

But that makes no sense either because SIF also claim that this age is predicted to continue for another forty or so thousand years and that towards the end cockroaches will be as big as dogs, rats would be as big as bears and humans will be 3 feet tall and unable to remember the Maha mantra without it being written down etc., etc. and that is when people start eating children. So they can't even stick to their own story. It does make him a crackpot and a sinister cult leader to be doing things like this. There is no 'maybe' or 'I think' as others have seemed to speculate, a definite sinister crack-pot.

Ananda Health Centre - exposed

www.anandahealthcentre.com.au

Please note this is an Australian School of Meditation Recruitment centre for the secretive international religious cult Science of Identiy Foundation (SIF) in Hawaii whose members and disciples worship the paranoid domsdayer leader Jagad Guru Siddhawswarupananda Paramahamsa (Chris Butler) as 'good as God' and the people in the picture actually engage in eating the guru's toenail clipping and drink the water that washes his feet as a form of spiritual purification. Yes, those mouths have had toe jam and flaky skin celss in them. Possibly if the guru had stepped in dog excrement on his walk back to his Hawaiian mansion after a leisurely day of surfing then these two individuals have actually eaten dog shit. Read this thread to find out more although be mindful of the "ex-members" of SIF who attempt to paint the cult as "bad but not that bad". Also mentioned on the home page is Firm & Fold Massage Tables (or Firm'n'Fold which is another cult business run by Ramananda das in brisbane.

See www.cultofbutler.com for more information.

Romel Cordeiro and Vanessa Cordeiro

[img:aa2534f0bc]http://www.anandahealthcentre.com.au/images/rv.jpg[/img:aa2534f0bc]

Smile for the camera - "Say toenails".

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Deep Peace Meditation Sessions:
Tuesday and Thursday nights 7.00pm-8.00pm

Rest your body and relax your mind with these simple and enjoyable meditation techniques: Gauranga breathing, Yoga Nidra guided meditation and Sacred Mantra chanting.
Relaxation and Meditation are being recommended more and more by health care professionals because of their proven effectiveness in helping people cope with stress, creating physical and mental well-being.

Deep Peace Meditation and Gauranga Breathing are both creations of the Science of Identity which are forms of hypnosis that assist in brainwashing new recruits. Yet this page being the same site doesn't seem to be in the menu so here is the link to the page.

[www.anandahealthcentre.com.au]

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Chi Gong

Chi Gong Therapy is a method of healing that dates back to further than acupuncture in China.

A common practice in Science of Identity recruitment centers.


Names on the testimonials

Kirsten G. Hawaii.
Larry B. Honolulu, Hawaii.
Lisa K. Honolulu, Hawaii.
Mike S. Sunshine Coast.
Howard B. Melbourne.
Peter R. Sunshine Coast.
Sandra C. Sunshine Coast.
Andrew M. Sunshine Coast.
Shailee D. Sunshine Coast.
Cliff T. Honolulu, Hawaii.
Pauline. G., Gold Coast.
Greg L. Hawaii.
Jeff, Honolulu, Hawaii.
Emma B. Brisbane.
J. Bishop, Honolulu, Hawaii.
Pat H. Sunshine Coast
Leilani K. Hawaii.
Sarah T. Honolulu, Hawaii
Kevin C. Hawaii.
Michelle H. Sunshine Coast.
Erica M. Honolulu, Hawaii.
Helena P. Sunshine Coast.
Carolyn B. Sunshine Coast.
Geoffrey L. Sunshine Coast.
Alison M. Honolulu, Hawaii.
Kirsten G. Hawaii.

P. Stewart, Brisbane
J. Stower, Caboolture.
S. Lowry, Brisbane.
A. Randall, Brisbane.
Kathy D. Sunshine Coast.
Kalani T. Honolulu, Hawaii.
David L. Hawaii.
Kelly. P. Hawaii.
Toni W. California.
Steven A. Honolulu, Hawaii.
Kai N. Honolulu, Hawaii.

J or Jeannie Bishop is the president of the Science of Identity Foundation - Erica M or Erica Moon contributed to the Mike Gabbard Campaign and is a member of his staff. The site doesn't explain that it is connected to the Australian School of Meditation, Science of Identity or Chris Butler anywhere.

Romel also contributed $2000 to the Gabbard Campaign and his wife contributed $1840 when they lived in Hawaii. State senator Mike Gabbard AKA Krishna Katha das is another toenail eating disciple of Chris Butler.

Cordeiro, Romel Self Employed/Acupuncturist 2,000 08/26/04 Honolulu HI 96824

Cordeiro, Vanessa PT Hawaii/Massage Therapist 1,840 08/26/04 Honolulu HI 96824

[66.102.9.104]

The above link to the Gabbard contributors so here it is again:

[66.102.9.104]


Does anyone remember the "Living Force" album. It was better than Siddha's indoctrination claptrap but I can't quite remember the 'Changes' song but it went something like:

(second verse)
The stars above might be displaced
And the Mountains are slowing down
Life grows and then it decays
In the world, Whoa whoa,

Changes..., Changes...,
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa
The whole world is in the grips of time

Something like that.

The singer of the band Ephram "Matt" Matepi, originally from the Cook Islands, (who was rumored to have been called a fanatic by Siddha - if it's possible to be a bigger fanatic than Siddha athough he also said to me that "women are like animals and you need to hit them to keep them in line" - charming man) told me that Siddha didn't like the word 'life' in the above verse as 'life' or 'the soul' is eternal and never 'grows'. He wanted it changed to 'things grow and then they decay' I think.

A couple of lines from the song are mentioned as part of the Wai Lana album in the following review. Harvey Mann and Eddie and Harry Hansen (who is Hari das, eddie's son) worked on the album.

[shopping.yahoo.com]

[img:1cc2fcfb3d]http://www.harryhansenmusic.com/include/images/harry-hansen.jpg[/img:1cc2fcfb3d]

He composes commercial music for tv, internet, games and film.

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My name is Harry Hansen, an Australian-born composer and musician, residing in the USA. Music is more than a job for me. It is my passion, and has been my family's occupation for generations. I collaborate on a regular basis with my father, Edward Hansen and my three brothers who are also musicians.

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His Great Grandfather Alfred William Hansen was regularly commissioned to write for the Queen of England, while his Great Great Grandfather wrote many plays and symphonies in British colonial India in the late 1800's.

The son of Eddie Hansen, one of Australia and New Zealand's leading musicians and songwriters, Harry has been involved with music since childhood. Always drawn to orchestral and classical music, Harry learned to play many instruments including the Guitar, Cello and Piano.

At the age of 15, he began songwriting and playing electric guitar in a number of rock bands and by the age of 19 years, Harry had become a sought after music teacher. He is a gifted player of many musical instruments, including the Cello, Violin, Viola, Guitar and Piano.

At 21, he went on to follow his passion, composing orchestral scores. He spent the next 3 years training intensively under Eddie Hansen, after which he moved to the USA to start a career as a film and television composer.

Call: +1 (808) 375-9800
MSN: hanikai (at) hotmail (dot) com

No mention of his Vaishnava name or that he is a member of SIF.

[www.harryhansenmusic.com]

This site was created just this last april: [www.whois.net]


He is also part of FreeSwell Studios that is the in-house webdesign company of Richard Lowther's SIF cult business www.islandshots.com in Kailua.

[freeswell.com]

The name listed on the Freeswell Studios registration is Yamuna (dasi) Robinson. The address is in Kailua.

[hbe.ehawaii.gov]

To whom it may concern:

Sunglider had been banned from this message board.

Some details that might have potentially identified him were also deleted.

Please don't post details that would tend to indentify and anonymous member of this board.

If someone wishes to be identified they will post their name at the board and/or share personal information.

There has been a lot of names appearing on this thread, which have been posted by many members and started long before my involvement.

The connections between the Gabbard contributors and the cult is the most comprehensive list that has been compiled with clearer links to the cult than opponents of Gabbard were able to come up with. In researching the list it has also revealed many businesses which are owned by the cults some of which serve as covert points of recruitment.

The controversy over revealing names of people on this forum has been exaggerrated by those making the allegations. The post which RR edited by me that he said may reveal someone's identity did not have a name in it, and neither did sungliders name appear here. There has been active cult aplogists on this thread who have given every indication of working in the interests of the cult and relaying information which they get from posing as concerned, friendly former members.

New and genuine posters on this thread or getting any way involved in talking about Science of Identity should be cautious of anyone who gets in contact with them via PMs who is trying to cast doubt on the validity of other posters or the integrity of the board such as telling you that RR does not allow certain things to be said and that he reads private messages. There is absolutely no way that a forum of this format that has password encoding would even give any moderator access to your password to access your PMs and I doubt anyone would have the time to read all the messages that pass through here in a day. If you look at other threads you will see that RR frequently gives warnings to those breaking the rules, even those who are openly offensive towards him personally. This is just a ploy used to dicourage posting. They will also tell you who the "real" posters are and assure you that they know them personally. This may or may not be true. With internet forums it is impossible to know who a person is. The only reason that I know the identities of the troublemakers here is because they chose to become intensely involved with me on a personal level since the start of my involvement in this forum which has always been with the stated intention of documenting and challenging SoI and made their collusion with the cult in silencing any opposition or exposure clear. Sunglider was operating under the cover story that he had already been banned to garner sympathy with genuine people on the board. Those who have been banned cannot send PMs for future reference.

The recurring patterns on this thread and the high number of views/trolling indicates high cult involvement.

In respect of the rules of this forum I can not discuss the details of who apologists are and what they have been up to but they have certainly created another chapter in documenting the strange and co-ercive behaviour of SoI.

cultreporter:

I agree that the remarks you previously made about "Sunglider" were not that revealing. But in the interest of fairness they were removed.

You are right. This thread has had more "trolls" than usual.