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Radha Krishna das
All of the people here have their own laundry lists of 'faults' which they perceive with Srila Prabhupad. It is obvious that there is a lot of information that is being passed around and a lot of digging being done in dirt - it is obvious in this situation who will get the most dirty.
Yes we are just stirring the pot and letting the dregs become visible to the innocent. The person holding the stick [and I might add wearing a face mask and latex gloves] is not the one getting dirty. Those of you who have been bathing in this shit and didn't even know what lurked at the bottom are the ones getting dirty. Sorry.
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Srila Prabhupad does not want to have many servants, but it is a kindness to allow us to serve Him so that we may become pure.
So, how's that working out for ya? Are ya pure yet!?
I agree. He really does not like people very much, but his allowing you all to serve is not out of kindness. It is out of a need to be an enjoyer of the fruits of your labor.
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Even if you do not agree with our spiritual beliefs that is your right to do so. If you want to spend your time in gossip that is also your choice. I will not try to impose my beliefs as to what the result of this will be for you,
We all believe in freedom of religion and freedom of speech, but not freedom to abuse and manipulate people. Your group needs to have a warning label attached like they do on cigarettes and dangerous drugs. You are free to believe in an unmerciful god that condemns people to hell [as you have already told us] for telling the truth. It doesn't make it so.
It is true that false accusations can unravel one's spiritual progress and the toxicity of gossip is not hard to grasp.
"Whoever guards his mouth, his mouth becomes like a vessel of the Holy Temple." (source unknown)
"For every moment one guards one's tongue, he earns reward that is beyond the comprehension of angels." (Vilna Gaon citing Midrash)
But the Torah [revealed scripture] commands, "Do not stand aside while your fellow's blood is being shed” (Vayikra). One is obligated from this point of view to spare no effort in preventing our fellow man/woman from suffering physical, emotional, or monetary damage. In a situation where a potential victim is unaware that he is being threatened [or fooled], one is required to warn him even though this will reflect negatively on the person or persons responsible. Speech of this sort in all religious traditions is not merely permissible, it is obligatory.
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Of course Srila Prabhupad is forgiving. He has been criticized many times. One need not concern themselves with the activities of ISKCON. This is in the past, and it is the reason why Srila Prabhupad had no alternative but to move on or accept the unsavoury antics going on.
CB must not have fired you after all. He is forgiving. But the vessel and religious tradition that CB uses has everything to do with ISKcon and its origins. It is a valid feature in this discussion as is Sai Speaks. No one on this board defends CB's decision to distance himself from ISKcon more than I. It was a good move. It is also a part of the evolution of this cult that is open for examination.
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Radha Krishna das
In every time a Spiritual Master will appear according to the time and place, ensuring that He is easily recognised by espousing wisdom that is relevant to all and setting an example that can be followed by all.
Apparently there are a lot of people here that did not find CB very exemplary. That is the core of the discussion. In this sentence you cite some brainwashing ‘code words’, “…Spiritual Master will appear according to the time and place…”. Time and place. What this really means is that CB can make up a new religion and change the rules and traditions at his whim. This is more the characteristic of a despot or a mafia boss than a real master of the spirit. He is simply a master of enjoyment, and you, poor soul, are another victim. He has made of you a supreme fool, as I once was.
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Radha Krishna das
Is there a plan to attack the reputation of businesses run by those who are trying to serve Krishna?
Cara is simply like the little boy in the story, "The Emperor's New Clothes", which is another fairy tale full of wisdom. The little boy was the only one who was guileless enough to tell the truth and yell out, "The emperor is naked!" as he paraded in the public square under the delusion that he was wearing the most glorious garments. Similarly, Cara and others are yelling out, “fraud” as CB parades under the delusion that he is a pure devotee.
No one wants to hurt individuals or families or deprive any one of their livelihood or religious practices, but the public should be aware of what is behind these businesses. Consumers have a right to know about these businesses so that they can make informed decisions about the product or services and whether they want to support a company. The law should also be notified of any labor or civil rights abuses.
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