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privateye
My sources tell me that the campaign manager of Mike Gabbard is also a long time follower of Chris Butler. His name is Devin Bull, his wife's name is Kunti ( a Hare Krishna name).

Anyone like to share information on this.

Where is Devin Bull from? How long has he been in the cult? Does he have an indoctrinated hare krishna name?

Devon with an 'o' instead of an 'i' Apparently very fanatical.

Been around since the nineties. Australian born. Initiated Dhama das (might help to remember that they all have 'spiritual' names that start with the first letter of their birth name) Was married and divorced to marry Kunti who is the eldest daughter of ACB devotee.

E-mail me if you think we might be able to work on unravelling the politics together.

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maui
Siddha has gained a following from deceiving people and even worse he then uses them and abuses them all for his own selfish purposes. He presents himself as the ideal man teaching the ideal path. Yet as shown by innumerable ex-disiciples his personal dealings with others shows a profound disrespect he has for them. He is like an abusive husband who has intimidated his wife into accepting abuse as what she deserves and that it is his place to cleanse her of her bad qualities in order to make her the perfect submissive doormat wife.

Well spoken.

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maui
Ahh, the toenail thing. In the Vaishnava and in any hindu tradition nails and hair after they have left the body are considered to be muci (moochee) i.e. dirty and impure. The idea that something like nails is prasadam which should be eaten would be considered very non-traditional and gross and disgusting by the traditionalists. Nail clippings are considered to be on the level of stool (poop). So thinking that you will be "purified" by eating nails is ridiculous.

Good to know. I was not aware that these things are also considered impure in the Hindu/Vaishnava traditions. As stated in my previous post, it is also the case in Middle Eastern, semitic, and Juadaic traditions as well.

One should consider the mind of someone who would conceive of such a practice. The level of revulsion and disgust Siddha must have for his followers to encourage this must be incredibly high --- like an abusive husband!

Maui, were you ever a follower of Siddha?

I think Zelig's use of the word masochism said it best in that the analogy of the benign parent/child discipline is more appropriately defined as master/slave in an enforced sado-masochistic bdsm lifestlye. Head bags, 'tilly' stickers, toe-nail/foot excrement consumption, name calling, disatisfaction with voluntary services rendered and other abusive behaviors are more likely to be found in a fetish lifestyle. Butler has gone as far as to say that the guru's job is to criticise a faultless disciples in order to teach surrender. Beating the guru in an argument is arguing your way into hell.

So the question is who in the boudior is the sub? :lol:

I was told that nails, hair and dead skin in one of ACB's books attracts ghosts and bad energy. Someone may confirm this. It is the same as faeces in it is bodily refuse.

Richard Bellord

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Richard Valentine Windham-Bellord was born on 22 February 1949.1 He is the son of Robert Bellord and Ruth Windham.1 He married, firstly, Cheung Wai Lan in 1974.1 He and Cheung Wai Lan were divorced in 1982.1 He married, secondly, Julieta Estina Bisco in 1982.

This is from [b:2bdc57267f]A genealogical survey of the peerage of Britain as well as the royal families of Europe[/b:2bdc57267f]

Apparently also a descendent of William the Conquerer : [awt.ancestry.com]

:shock: Rama?

[www.thepeerage.com]

And as if giving your wife wasn't enough :

Donor to the Gabbard Campaign :

[www.campaignmoney.com]

Donor to the Reed Campaign :

[www.newsmeat.com]

This may be a picture of him - (I have not confirmed this yet)

[news.cctv.com]


[b:2bdc57267f]In lesser news :[/b:2bdc57267f]

Carol Gabbard was initiated as Devahuti dasi

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maui

Sorry, I've never heard that phrase before and I have studied the tradition for a long time. Maybe you meant to say something else other then "duality is the worst quality a devotee can have", because it makes no sense and it is in fact mentioned nowhere in the tradition.

The word was most likely DUPLICITY and not duality in this context, which is not a quality of a spiritual or enlightened person in any tradition.

du·plic·i·ty [doo plíssətee] n
1. deceitfulness: the fact of being deceptive, dishonest, or misleading
2. condition of being double: the state of being double
-du·plic·i·tous [doo plíssitəss], , adj
Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

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So what is it that he has to grieve about - is it his own actions or the death of secrecy? Anyone who has studied Krishna Consciousness I am sure has heard many times over that duality is the [u:53a18c869a][b:53a18c869a]WORST[/b:53a18c869a][/u:53a18c869a] quality a devotee can have.

Sorry, I've never heard that phrase before and I have studied the tradition for a long time. Maybe you meant to say something else other then "duality is the worst quality a devotee can have", because it makes no sense and it is in fact mentioned nowhere in the tradition.

What I was thinking of was teachings of AC Bhaktivedanta Swami :

[www.salagram.net]

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A devotee should lead a very simple life and not be disturbed by the duality of opposing elements. He should learn to tolerate them.

Duality is a quality of this material world and a devotee should be able to rise above this, needs to rise above this in order to make an spiritual progress.

What I meant to convey was that one is cannot be fixed in devotion when they are engaging in lying, cheating and other such things as RKd has acknowledged.

Thank-you Zelig, duplicity fits much better. Hypocrisy also could have done I am sure.

I have not seen your posts before Maui. I look forward to reading more.

Nice detective work Cara.

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cultreporter
Richard Bellord

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Richard Valentine Windham-Bellord was born on 22 February 1949.1 He is the son of Robert Bellord and Ruth Windham.1 He married, firstly, Cheung Wai Lan in 1974.1 He and Cheung Wai Lan were divorced in 1982.1 He married, secondly, Julieta Estina Bisco in 1982.

This is from [b:ffa3336135]A genealogical survey of the peerage of Britain as well as the royal families of Europe[/b:ffa3336135]

Apparently also a descendent of William the Conquerer : [awt.ancestry.com]

:shock: Rama?

[www.thepeerage.com]

And as if giving your wife wasn't enough :

Donor to the Gabbard Campaign :

[www.campaignmoney.com]

Donor to the Reed Campaign :

[www.newsmeat.com]

This may be a picture of him - (I have not confirmed this yet)

[news.cctv.com]


[b:ffa3336135]In lesser news :[/b:ffa3336135]

Carol Gabbard was initiated as Devahuti dasi

Okay, so this Richard Bellord guy was married to Wai Lana and gave her up to Siddha, still donates money to Hare Fascists for congress and seems to sport some pretty impressive pedigree...

I think it is time to run the lineage on Siddha somehow.

Full birth name and date details would be a start, Cultreporter, If you pulled all this up on this guy, it must be possible to do this for Chris, right?

Very impressive, just finding out about Wai Lana's first husband is pretty crazy.

Siddha really runs the political agenda, Mike Gabbard is about the biggest Bush-Terror-Neo Con clone imaginable and the Butler family is from the Bush line...
Is there a connection with Siddha's lineage to the Bush lineage?
Perhaps Siddha's megalomaniacal tendencies are geneticaly inherited, perhaps he has the blood of actual kings in his veins.
Just a coincidence, nothing to worry about.

Something I noticed in common with this Richard Valentine Windham-Bellord guy's full name and that of most in the Bush tree i was looking at is how their middle names always represent all the other family lines from which they descend. (like George Herbert Walker Bush... I think even the name "George" holds this signifigance.)

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Rama Das (slave name)
I think it is time to run the lineage on Siddha somehow.

Full birth name and date details would be a start, Cultreporter, If you pulled all this up on this guy, it must be possible to do this for Chris, right?

It would be possible except that Butler is a very common name. I know he was born June 14 1948 in Louisiana. Have not been able to find out yet his full birth name though or either of his parents names - this would be a big help if anyone knows. With a few biographical details there is a lot of stuff I could find out if I was in America, Hawaii in particular and had access to the proper records. I don't want to give too much away about research tips and leads right here though :wink:

I do have a few potential (some quite promising) skeletons I am hoping to bring out of Siddha's closet.

[b:d8a2fa7b74]The million dollar question is[/b:d8a2fa7b74][/color:d8a2fa7b74] - quite literally - where did all the money come from? There is no way that a stoned out surfer had the finances to back this guru business. SOI is a minor cult but the $$ are major.

Perhaps Wai Lana really is the one behind the curtain? BUT how did someone of this pedigree get into SOI to the extent that he is willing to offer his wife? Such families are typically Anglican or at least members of the more conventional churches (they are invariably some form of religion, which is curious in itself, but I digress)

As just one point of suspicion SOI has been running political candidates, seeking to infiltrate the government on every level in Hawaii (at least) for decades, which does not come cheap, and nor is it the activities of the average bogus guru. Obtaining personal wealth for one's self and living an idle and luxurious life is the standard but no other self styled guru I have ever heard of has gone to these extents.

It is no secret that ISKCON has been involved in many criminal enterprises including drug traficking, which there is also some sugguestion that Siddha was involved in during his time in New Zealand and TiLeaf. Although his loyal followers who talked to the newpapers expect us to believe that one is investigated by ASIO, the FBI and the British feds due to small town gossip over tin foil walls I think not. Siddha was certainly no stranger to drug use. I can't shake the feeling that his ISKCON days are hiding something major.

More background info regarding young Chris is needed. No matter how minor or trival it may seem if anyone has anything they would like to share on or off the forum I am more than happy to listen and chase it up.

Chris Butler's father was a doctor. His parents were liberal idealists who knew many famous lefties from the 50's and early 60's. If my memory serves, they were also aquaintances with Alan Ginsberg or some other famous left winger. Ironic. I guess Chris has arrested development and is still rebelling. I spoke with his father once on the telephone. Chris was really ill and needed a free antibiotic perscription. The acupuncture wasn't working. He gave strict instructions not to let his father know where he was. He loved his son very much and was pained not to have contact with him after he became a big time guru. I'll never forget that conversation - ever. Chris's father was always depicted as this materialistic, gross, angry meat-eating demon who yelled at his sensitive and spiritual son. In reality he was just a gentle and heart broken loving father who wanted to do good for others. This revelation, for me, was one of the "bricks in the wall".

The person to find would be Chris's brother, Bruce Butler. He tried to be a follower once, but just got blown away. He used to say, "I don't know what you guys see. He's just my brother, man." He was a bit crazy and had the same sarcastic tongue and negative world view that Chris has. Perhaps both the sweetness and the bite ran in the family. I know Bruce had a daughter named Malika who was looking for him on this forum a few years ago. Don't know if he's alive.

[img:04176dbe6d]http://www.fas.org/butler/butler.jpg[/img:04176dbe6d]

Does this look like a family resemblence to you?

Dr Thomas Butler - specialist in infectious diseases

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Dr. Thomas C. Butler, a preeminent authority on infectious diseases at Texas Tech University, was charged in early 2003 with allegedly smuggling samples of plague bacteria into the United States, improperly transporting them within the country, and lying about them to authorities. Additional charges of theft, embezzlement and fraud were added in a second indictment. If convicted of all charges, he would have faced life in prison and millions of dollars in fines.

If this is him then we have found the origins of the germ phobia.

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