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I've no agenda coming to this forum. I landed here almost by accident I believe I mentioned in my earlier posts. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy finding this forum. Like most of you, I had some share of grief and even threats from this group and felt a solace among co sufferers. However, I share very little interest in sentimentalism,
There are no accidents. You had to have clicked around! :lol: I googled JG's many names.
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wanted to know more info about Chibiyabos, and expressed my love for Chris' music,,
Be careful here. Chibby is allowed his privacy. He was an innocent kid born into the group and not a public figure.
As for the music. I liked it too. I moved recently and found the Mantra Electric cassette and a sealed, never played "Siddha, a very gentle force: This World/A Different World.” It sold for $4.50 in 1975! On the back is an interesting quote that fills the page. Here is part of it with my comments --- [i:603f962280][b:603f962280]"A flower is by nature soft, sweet, and fragrant. So are we....but due to being covered up by layers of material elements we appear hard, even to ourselves...we desire to love and be loved...the rock does not love; matter is dead energy...” [/b:603f962280][/i:603f962280][quantum physicists would disagree! :D ]...[b:603f962280][i:603f962280].”A corpse fails to exhibit love...I want to feel love for you. I don't want to see you or treat you as a 'thing" or object to exploit or use”...[[/i:603f962280][/b:603f962280]LOL! …don't want to exploit anyone or treat as an object!???]..[b:603f962280][i:603f962280].”I want to be friends with [u:603f962280]you[/u:603f962280]...But real friendship is deeper than cocktail party friendship”…[/i:603f962280][/b:603f962280]..[snicker.. :? ]...[He goes on blah blah ..we are all parts and parcel of Supreme Being]...[b:603f962280][i:603f962280]”I want to taste unlimited, eternal love. I am tired of living in a world of hard-heartedness, not just others, but my own also. I'm tired of living, yet being dead. I am tired of having conversations, but never communicating. I'm tired of singing, but being without a song. I'm tired of having friends, yet never knowing them”... [/i:603f962280][/b:603f962280][We too got tired of you being hard-hearted to the needs of many of your followers, of dictating their lives without considering who they really were or appreciating their great efforts and spirits. Your song was the great voices and musicians you [i:603f962280][u:603f962280]used[/u:603f962280][/i:603f962280] to promote your own idol worship. You were never a friend to any of us and did not promote friendship amongst your followers.]...[b:603f962280][i:603f962280]”I humbly ask to be forgiven by anyone of you who may consider me to be a fool or wishful thinker for wanting to go beyond the artificial suffering world which we all know”....[/i:603f962280][/b:603f962280] [blah blah he goes on to invite people to taste the "sweet flavor of Transcendental Sound and be]...[b:603f962280][i:603f962280]”transported to the eternal realm of...Krishna, the real friend of each of us.” ~Siddha, November 1975[/i:603f962280][/b:603f962280]
[hack, hack :? --- and that's not coughing up a hair ball! I'll let the psychologists and theologists analyze all that!]
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I thought this forum has more pressing issues other than our past experiences, and I will not apologize for being quite strong about the children which I sadly regret may not be as pressing as I expected here
The problem is that no one is coming forward with information for obvious reasons or don’t have any info. I did not have children until after I left the group, so I don't know anything. I know schools were attempted and kids grew up with many of the problems typical teenagers have. Two kids of top devotees went to juvie hall for stealing a car. I know of one girl who got knocked up and another kid who was a knocker upper! But it wasn't a rampant epidemic at the time. Never heard of any drug usage, but that's all I know.
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I enjoy so much reading about your experiences and your understandable hate of Chris and his group,
I don't hate JG at all, but I think he should be exposed for what he really is -- a hippocrite and not a very enlightened human being. People need to know the truth.
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Most people I knew had the same suspicion as us, and I will bet my neck that they were there for the congregation. Even if Chris is gone, these people will still be there, whoever the leader is. These are the same people who will constantly join groups, not necessarily cults, but anything they find any sense of belonging, and this forum is not exempted. In fact, if you still find sense of belonging to any group, then you may not have left Chris after all. Physically, yes. But Chris may still be lurking in your minds. May not be Chris but the guru figure.
So true. Good points. The trick is to free your mind, eh. Old patterns die hard. This validates Rick Ross's point about brainwashing a bit. I honestly didn’t like working with most of the people. It was no pleasure being part of the group, but I did bond with a few good people.
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There's nothing wrong in belonging to a group but as long as you take it on your own terms and your reasoning always intact and independent. By the way, I never believe until this day that I was ever brainwashed. I joined on my own accord, and I don't make any excuses; I'm responsible and accountable for my acts and for people I brought to the group. I loved the movement, but my reason had always been intact and when challenged I left, just like that. If that is a fact, then you may have to look back and redefine your meanings of your anti-cult views.
I don't think you are alone in feeling this way, that you don't feel that you were brainwashed. It was easy to slip out of the group. But there is a residue that you refered to in the previous quote. The question is how that guru residue got there? Did we bring it with us? Did JG imprint us? Do we carry it away with us and repeat the pattern elsewhere or do we learn from the experience? I believe that upon rejecting JG and going through the initial greif, guilt, and anger that I have a much happier, productive, healthy, and spiritual life for it. At any rate, it is less scary and less embarrassing to think that I was not brainwashed. And now it is a moot point.
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My loyalty is to reason alone.
A good mistress to have, coupled with the heart. "Where does wisdom lie? In the heart." ~ King Solomon