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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: May 09, 2025 03:49AM

RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote:
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> EXPOSÉ ON THE SCIENCE OF IDENTITY FOUNDATION (SIF)
> AND CHRIS BUTLER’S NETWORK OF CONTROL, ABUSE, AND
> COVER-UPS

Very good.

Polish former followers of Butler who witnessed her visits to the Science of Identity Institute Chaitanya Mission (Polish branch of the Science of Identity Foundation) firmly state:

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No slander. When she was in IWoT [Science of Identity Institute] Chaitanya Mission Poland, she personally introduced herself to us as Shraddha dasi.

Truth wins Wrote:
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> Culthusiast, I wanted to apologize for not
> respecting your views.
> I get it that you see butler as the problem and
> not the path of bhakti yoga.

The subject is still a mystery. To what extent is the teaching of Hinduism not an integration of Zoroastrianism, Egyptian beliefs, Tibetan Buddhism or Bon, the religion of the Dasas or mystical yoga, etc. One hypothesis is that the Vedas are a mythologized copy of the Avesta. No traces of paraphernalia, devotional articles, etc. have been found in Mohenjo-Daro (Indus Valley Civilization). Images of yogis have been found among the Tamils. The invasion of the Aryans or Iranians (Persians) was much later than the disappearance of the Indus Valley Civilization. There were 3 civilizations - Egyptian, Sumerian and Indus Valley. Many common elements of the Vedas (first texts) with Greek beliefs have been identified. The cult of Vasudeva merged with the cult of Krishna. And so on and so forth. Thorough studies of Tibetan Buddhism - there are various contradictory messages. And so on and so forth.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: May 09, 2025 08:13AM

The Yoga Barbie and the Plastic Guru: Wai Lana, Chris Butler, and the Cult of Contradictions

Wai Lana and Chris Butler (aka Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa) have spent decades building a spiritual empire that preaches detachment from the material world. Their followers in the Science of Identity Foundation are told the body is an illusion, that sense gratification is a trap, and that we should reject ego and vanity. But anyone paying attention can see they are doing the exact opposite behind the scenes—especially when it comes to their own image.

Wai Lana, known for her yoga videos and pastel-toned branding, appears ageless and perfectly styled in every piece of media. Her skin is wrinkle-free, her cheeks and lips are full, and she always wears wigs or elaborate headpieces that hide her ears—often a sign of surgical concealment. She’s clearly using cosmetic procedures, filters, and post-production to present a carefully curated version of herself to the world. For a woman whose husband teaches “you are not your body,” she invests a lot of time and money making sure her body looks picture-perfect.

Chris Butler is no different. Despite being nearly 80 years old, he appears in the few public photos with an unusually smooth face, taut skin, and no signs of normal aging like jowls, deep wrinkles, or age spots. His image has been tightly controlled since the 1980s. Newer photos are rare and usually highly staged. Like his wife, he seems more concerned with maintaining a youthful, god-like appearance than actually modeling the renunciation he demands from his followers.

This is classic cult behavior. The leaders present themselves as spiritually perfect, while the followers are expected to live modestly, reject vanity, and worship them as divine. What makes it worse is how deeply this image control is baked into every part of the movement.

Take Wai Lana’s music videos, for example. They are overproduced, bizarre, and cringe-worthy—floating lotuses, awkward dance sequences, soft lighting, and cheesy green screen effects. They look like they were made by someone trying to blend Disney with cult propaganda. The videos are not just bad—they are emotionally manipulative. They frame Wai Lana as a spiritual mother figure, always smiling, always radiant, floating through clouds and singing mantras in a whispery voice. It’s a marketing tactic wrapped in spiritual packaging.

And this extends beyond Wai Lana’s videos. The cult’s entire musical culture is hypocritical. While they mock mainstream music as sense gratification, they push their own version of “mantra jazz” and “mantra electric” with guitars, synths, and catchy tunes—music that is clearly designed to be emotionally and aesthetically pleasing. It’s not the image of humble babajis singing bhajans in mud huts. It’s stylized, polished, and aimed at generating a feeling—not devotion, but mood.

Even their food offerings are a contradiction. They go on about avoiding sense pleasure, but then cook elaborate meals, use fancy ingredients, and present food in ways that are meant to taste amazing—so long as it’s “offered to God” first. It’s a spiritual loophole that lets them indulge while pretending they’re above it.

And then there’s Tulsi Gabbard. Her entire political image mirrors the same cult branding: soft focus photos, glowing light, smooth skin, humble smiles. It’s not politics—it’s optics. Her media team borrowed directly from the SIF aesthetic: make her look serene, timeless, and spiritually elevated, even if nothing in her policy or character supports that illusion. It’s the same soft-lit, lotus-pose trick repackaged for the mainstream.

In the end, what we’re looking at is not spiritual leadership. It’s branding. A curated lifestyle of filtered images, polished videos, and managed public personas. It’s a cult of contradictions where the leaders preach detachment while obsessing over their own appearance and comfort.

Followers are told to reject the world. But the leaders indulge in it, hide it, and call it transcendence.

It’s not spirituality. It’s marketing dressed in robes.

RUN

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: May 14, 2025 10:01PM


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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: May 15, 2025 09:44PM

The only thing leaking is the Paramahamsas maha diapers.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/tulsi-gabbard-intelligence-community-firings-b2751179.html

Meanwhile the true threat to humanity is this shit which persists into 2025:

https://thecsrjournal.in/divine-intervention-miracles-protected-indian-army-kargil-war/

The most populated country in the world with beliefs so primitive and fanatical it's sure to pull a parasurama move soon what with all its righteous wars rhetoric.

I'm not the only one who knows something is way off with the convenient, suspiciously timed killing of Tulsi Gabbards aunt.

https://www.samoaobserver.ws/category/samoa/114010

RUN

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: May 17, 2025 01:59AM

ISKCON vs. ISKCON: A Fight Over Which Flavor of Bullshit Gets the Throne

In case anyone missed it, the Indian Supreme Court just ruled in favor of ISKCON Bangalore in a 25-year legal pissing match with ISKCON Mumbai over who owns the Bangalore temple:
https://www.thehansindia.com/news/national/hare-krishna-temple-dispute-iskcon-bengaluru-chief-hails-supreme-court-verdict-as-historic-971678

This isn’t really about temple land or management. This is two Gaudiya Vaishnava factions fighting over whether Prabhupada is still the only guru (ritvik system), or whether they can appoint new ones.

That’s it. That’s the “great theological divide.”
They agree on everything else: Krishna is God, chanting Hare Krishna is salvation, Prabhupada is the messiah, the world is Maya, etc.

So what we’re watching is basically a spiritual turf war over a dead guru’s authority—two cults arguing about succession rules in a religion with barely any global relevance outside of its own bubble. Sound familiar? Butler essentially started his version of the cult in this basic fashion as well. The same BS plagued the Gaudiya Math. In fact, all Gaudiya history from Chaitanya-the-epileptic-saint’s time to today has suffered inter-sectarian nonsense. The great “world religion” and saving grace of humanity can’t even agree to disagree.

It’s always ironic how much “transcendental” religions obsess over property rights, legal control, and titles. For a movement that claims renunciation, they sure love their courtrooms and donation empires.

Just more proof that even tiny, insular cults rot from within.

Walk fast, skip, jog, or RUN.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: May 17, 2025 04:28AM

Stupid is as stupid does. When you were born and raised in a cult and spent your entire life serving the whims of a cult leader and have a 5th-grade "Vedic" education, well, what can you do? Bad karma, I guess.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a64794718/trump-threat-tulsi-gabbard-kristi-noem-kash-patel/

86-108

RUN

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Truth wins ()
Date: May 19, 2025 09:19PM

Culthusiast this whole reality is a big mystery box.
Knowing that we don’t know “everything” is the safest way not to fall too deep into the spiritual ego trap.
Going very deep can get you a greater understanding or picture. But it will not give you all the answers.
You can more easily see that you have been given half truths.
It seems humans cannot handle accepting that we have not really been given the whole truth in scriptures.
I feel it is too soul shattering.

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