Sure. Remember?

"The spiritual master is a friend of the poor and the unfortunate"

He is not greedy for comfort, fame, world recognition, appreciation ...

"Grandpa Midgett ... Recognized in the world" ...



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People often speak of second hand smoke.
There is nothing worse than second hand mental and personality disorders.
Nothing more destructive and dangerous.
Now mix both personality disorders with the mental ones and you get quite a bomb.
I truly know this subject very well.
Many people who deal with such materialistic issues are constantly seeking help and support to deal with those who are slave of their disorders.
The issue with SoI is that a pure devotee is seen as perfect. Noone will ever question their sanity.
They are supposed to be the spiritual psychiatrists and we are the lunatics.
They say to be the servant of the servant of the servant.
Who is at the top of the chain of this servitude chain? Well it is supposed to be god.
But who are the devotees truly serving? butler’s complex psyche.
They are not serving god by following a psychotic 9 pages kitchen rules. Who are they trying to foll but themselves?
“Abandon all varieties of religion and surrender onto me…”
But SoI members created a whole new religion worshipping butler instead.
Now I understand very well what it means that the relation with guru is transcendental. And thankfully this is what saved me during the few years I was in that hell hole.
People are not even encouraged that much to study scripture. All they have is butler’s lectures.
So the super sincere souls are the ones that spend sleepless nights making money for wailana instead of studying the vedas.
All they have gotten from the years spent there is some bliss and butler’s baisc lectures. Kindergarten bhakti.
None of us even knew one sloka in sanskrit by heart.
Just shut up and get behind the computer. This is all devotees do. Glued to computers and serve stupid projects.
Instead of forgetting the material world, let us mixed with the demins by entering politics. Lol!
What a bunch of clowns these people are with all their stupid ambitions to elevate humanity. All the need is the clown nose.
I have never seen so much denial stored in one place.

Truth wins Wrote:
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> So the super sincere souls are the ones that spend
> sleepless nights making money for wailana instead
> of studying the vedas.

Their desire for an idol was perfectly satisfied. They work sleepless nights (ignoring Bhagavad Gita and balance in work and rest) for their idol promoting spirituality and natural aging - her face is a manifestation of natural aging - 1mm makeup and botox and plastic surgery symptoms .... On the way to paradise ...

I am not sure there is a spiritual path on earth that is as abuse and narcissist friendly as Krishna consciousness.
The physical abuse (lack of sleep, maxing out people like mules) is seen as austerity.
The emotional and verbal abuse is seen as mercy and chipping the false ego.
And everything under the moon and the sun is seen as Karma (including SPIRITUAL abuse).
The guru, no matter how demonic, should never be judged.
Free labor is seen as devotional service.
We should never criticize vaishnavas. Even the queen of narcissists. Because no matter how many people they damage, they are very dear and pleasing to guru and krishna.
And the most important: You deserve everything that happens to you and even worse.
No wonder so many demons and narcissists landed at Iskcon and SoI.
It is a buffet for them to feast on. It is like when Whales open their mouth and hundreds of fish enter. No efforts whatsoever.
What amazes me is that they are still able to make their purgatory pass for spiritual life.

Truth wins Wrote:
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> The physical abuse (lack of sleep, maxing out
> people like mules) is seen as austerity.

That's interesting infact:

[asitis.com]

"He who is temperate in his habits of eating, sleeping, working and recreation can mitigate all material pains by practicing the yoga system."

Purport:

"(...)Therefore, his sleeping is kept to a minimum.(...)"

"Temperate" and "minimum" have different meanings.

> The emotional and verbal abuse is seen as mercy
> and chipping the false ego.

Question - in what category? Tadana, anartha, aparadha?
Question - Ordinary sheep aren't Vaisnava?

> And everything under the moon and the sun is seen
> as Karma (including SPIRITUAL abuse).

Even tadana & lalana are Karma?

> The guru, no matter how demonic, should never be
> judged.

In practice, the circumstances when he may be abandoned are described.

> And the most important: You deserve everything
> that happens to you and even worse.

Then "we must forgive him" "guru" said. What was that? Any strange behavior towards a minor girl? stepdaughter? Anyone remember?



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Did you stay in touch with the devotee from Poland who became a follower of BV Narayana?

Several people became followers of BV Narayana Maharaja. They had contacts with former members of SiF / SoI Polska. There is a cult warning website for a long time: mantrujcie.pl, created by one of the former members of SiF / SoI, later follower of BV Narayana Maharaj. Some departures can be seen as a spectacular example of discouraging a maximally empathetic and devoted person. I had information from some of them, that was a subject to study and verification.



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I remember the narcissist and manipulator butler shaming the disciples who looked for other gurus.
What an amazingly smart ass this butler dude is. He never praised any living genuine bhakti masters. He made himself look like the hottest deal on the planet.
We just kep praising the departed vaishnabas from hundreds of years ago.
F course the dead cannot compete with him.
He should have actually pay respect to those who are 10000000 times more qualified than him. Butler’s popularity comes from the fact that he teaches materialistic Krishna Consc.
Many are not willing to live the genuine and austere BC Narayana Sangha style.
But we make friends with our enemies Iskcon after trashing them for decades so that it helps Tulsi’s campaign.
I wonder what kind of drugs he is taking go get on such trips about himself.
Or maybe he is being rewarded for his twisted devotion and made believe he is a prophet by the deities.
SoI, the land of make belief.
You will never know what the real deal is all you have ever been offered is an imitation.

One of BV Narayana Maharaj's followers, formerly a member of SiF / SoI Poland, reported that BV Narayana Maharaj was in Hawaii and wanted to meet Chris Butler to clear up the misunderstanding, but Chris Butler did not meet him. I had no confirmation of this information from other sources. In this person's words, it was an outrageous treatment of an elder Vaisnava.

Overall, the distorting of the Hawaiian "spiritual" coterie does not surprise me at all. If, in the name of etiquette, a number of SoI / SiF activists are bombarding another sangha with e-mails to put pressure after a departure of a Filipino member, and among them (those bombarding) there is a former convicted drug dealer, then what to expect here .. "Holy Sirs ..." ..

Iskcon? What did that sound like? "My spiritual brothers at Iskcon are clumps of dog stool?"

I remember in Poland one of the leaders from the USA said that he would rather eat grass than the Iskcon prasada. It was one of the first scratches in the perfect image of the Hawaiian sanga. Devotee from ISKCON whom I knew in Poland were nice, what did they have to do with other exploits? They made nice programs, sweets, etc. Some on the forum praised the atmosphere at SoI Poland in some centers. Isn't being thrown into one bag a dangerous party / counter-party nature?

if someone exchanges a calf for tractor parts, in these well-known "spiritual" categories he has a heart of stone, and his spiritual realization is "bull shit". "Fuck such an authority," Sirs ...



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For your consideration.

Tulsi Gabbard was one of the young leaders groomed by the WEF (World Economic Forum). This post is about her rapid rise in the political world in spite of her connection to the Butler cult.

Tulsi has always puzzled me. She is a protean character. In Greek mythology, Proteus is a god of rivers and the sea. He is the god of tenuous sea changes. He can foretell the future and will change his shape to avoid doing so; he answers only to those who are capable of capturing him. He is hard to pin down. From this feature of Proteus comes the adjective protean, meaning "mutable", or "capable of assuming many forms".

The Tulsi brand is this mythical, spiritual, vegetarian, surfing, meditating servant/leader. Didn’t anyone discover that she was a Butlerite from birth?
Her meteoric rise to political stardom seemed so unlikely, even with the two old men, Mike Gabbard and Butler pulling the strings with an army of cult volunteers. How could people not know that she and her staff were all members of the same cult? This astounded me. But they did know. I once naively thought that the political class had not discovered this truth or that it would matter to them. It doesn’t. They also don’t care about money tricks, laundering, or mismanagement of funds. You’ll see why as you read through this post.

In warp speed she was elected to Congress and put in a powerful position; the Vice Chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee. You don’t get there on aloha spirit.

During her rise, she had private meetings with world leaders. She took a secret “fact finding” trip to personally meet Syria’s President Assad. She had a “Hindu to Hindu” meeting with India’s Prime Minister Modi. She became a prominent voice on defence, veteran’s affairs, and foreign policy after just being in a clerk position for the National Guard. She was allowed to stand up against hawkish military and political leaders on the issue of regime change and US military interventionist foreign policies. I liked her chutzpah in front of Mitt Romney and some generals. But how did this happen?

She received the best media attention on CNN, FOX, POLITICO, and others. She’s had fan boy interviews with Wolf Blitzer and Sean Hannity. After her failed Presidential run, she left Congress. We really don’t know why. Chris Butler must be still crying in his kombucha beer.

She was forced to resign her DNC Vice Chair position to support Bernie Sander’s run for President (and presumably a chance to become Vice President). If you remember, Bernie was killing it in the polls and Tulsi was surfing on that populist wave. Wikileaks revealed that the DNC had already determined (prior to any primary election) that Hillary was their candidate. The big Democrat donors dropped her.

Politically, her opinions are all over the map. No one can pin her down as a Conservative or Progressive. It makes perfect sense if you know Chris Butler. Read his father’s book, “Barbara”, which chronicles his leftist political escapades. Will Butler was a prominent doctor, political activist, and socialist. The family protested against the war in Vietnam and the US funding of the Nicaraguan Contras (and all interventionist wars). They were environmentalists and humanitarians. Will founded an excellent health care model in Hawaii that served the needs of both rich and poor alike. (Ha! Butler followers paid very little when forced to get those giardia tests when one child at a kirtan tested positive!)

Bernie Sanders must have reminded Chris and Bruce of their dad. Universal Basic Income. Free Health Care for All. Socialist. Check. (In the past, many of Butler’s slave laborers were supported by welfare). New Green Deal. Check. Solar Power. Windmills. E.F. Schumacher’s “Small is Beautiful”. Fake meat. Back to Vrindavan where cows give milk and plow the vegetable fields. Social Credit Score. That’s not just a Chinese feudal system. It’s the Vedic Varnashrama Dharma. Check.

Tulsi’s flip flops regarding the LGBTQ community and abortion were obviously disingenuous. She publicly held views against her religion only to get elected.

Nothing about her career makes sense. “They” had to know about Tulsi’s connection to Butler. Then I found it. Think bigger -- way bigger. So big, they couldn’t give a shit about tiny Butler and his teensy cult. Whether you agree or disagree, I suggest that the following information deserves consideration and you do your own reading. Do your own thinking. Some of you may dismiss this, but it certainly provides plenty to think about. Read all the way through.

What I still don’t know is how far Tulsi was groomed at the WEF, or if she has since opted out. Butler, surely approved, in want of a President-follower. (Then there still is that strange photo of Tulsi making a triangle with her hands on the Capital steps . . .) Never mind.

So what and who are the WEF?
One constant thread which runs through all of the mismanagement, all of the authoritarian policies, all of the totalitarian logic and messaging around the world, has been the role of the World Economic Forum (WEF) and its acolytes. WEF is a key think tank and meeting place for global capitalist management… Under the leadership of Professor Klaus Schwab, it has played an increasingly important role in coordinating the globalized hegemony of transnational capital and large corporations over Western democracies during the last three decades. Many of its members [are] actively [carrying] out a “Great Reset” as described in Schwab’s writings [Read: “The Great Narrative for a Better Future”, The Fourth Industrial Revolution”, “COVID-19: The Great Reset”, “Stakeholder Capitalism: A Global Economy That Works for Progress, People, and Planet”.] This Great Reset involves implementation of digital tracking and control of people, ushering in techno-feudalism, and the WEF objective of a fourth industrial revolution incorporating technologies collectively referred to as “transhumanism.”

The WEF has developed and implemented a training program which has yielded thousands of acolytes who have been placed into positions of power throughout the western world. A small representative sampling of these includes the following drawn from the ranks of the United States government and industry:

• Politics and policy: White House coronavirus response coordinator Jeffrey Zients, lobby group #Masks4All co-founder Jeremy Howard, California Governor Gavin Newsom, 2020 presidential candidate and U.S. Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg, Chelsea Clinton, Hillary Clinton confidante Huma Abedin, former U.S. ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley, former U.S. ambassador to the UN and USAID administrator Samantha Power, Eurasia Group founder Ian Bremmer, U.S.-British financier Bill Browder, Jonathan Soros (son of George Soros), Human Rights Watch director Kenneth Roth, economist Paul Krugman, former Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers, Black Lives Matter co-founder Alicia Garza, Ivanka Trump, . . .

. . .AND former U.S. Representative Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii).

• Legacy media: CNN medical analyst Leana Wen, CNN chief medical correspondent Sanjay Gupta, Twitter personality Eric Feigl-Ding, New York Times financial columnist Andrew Ross Sorkin, New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman, ABC News commentator George Stephanopoulos, Fox CEO and News Corp co-chair Lachlan Murdoch, Bloomberg columnist Justin Fox, and CNN commentator Anderson Cooper.

• Technology and social media: Microsoft founder Bill Gates, former Microsoft CEO Steven Ballmer, Amazon founder Jeff Bezos, Google co-founders Sergey Brin and Larry Page, Tesla and SpaceX founder Elon Musk, former Google CEO Eric Schmidt, Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales, PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel, eBay co-founder Pierre Omidyar, Facebook founder and CEO Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg, Moderna CEO Stéphane Bancel, Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla, and Pfizer VP Vasudha Vats.”

OK. So What?

The biggest profiteers of the current crisis, and the most important string puller behind the scenes, is the digital-financial complex; all god brothers with the WEF on the same mission. The largest IT corporations and the largest asset managers of our time at its head. The largest IT concerns, include: Apple, the Google parent company Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft and Facebook. The market capitalization of these 5 companies alone at present amount to an incredible USA 9.1 trillion. Just for comparison, the gross GDP of Germany, France and Italy [combined] is USD 8.6 trillion.

Along with these digital concerns, we also have the large asset managers, namely, BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street and Fidelity. They are significantly involved in all IT companies, and not only this, these four companies alone, currently manage a total USD 220.6 trillion. Again, for comparison, the GDP of all 28 nations of the EU last year amounted to USD 15.7 trillion…

The digital-financial complex stands far above all governments, and is ready at all times to bring every government cabinet in the world to its knees and make it compliant.

The fact remains that Tulsi did get training and support from the WEF, which explained her rise to political stardom. My conclusion is that she was groomed with her gurudev’s consent. Butler never turned down a rich donor in his life.

I will just leave it right here, only as it relates to Tulsi and the cult.
Come to your own conclusions or dismiss it.

I am NOT here to discuss the WEF or any conspiracies, which are off topic.
If you want a copy of a full article and notes regarding the WEF and the digital-financial complex, you can PM me. Better yet, read Klaus’s books.