Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Truth wins ()
Date: October 01, 2021 04:57AM

By the way , apologies for all the typos. Ipad is keeping me humble!
My heart breaks for all the people who are being exploited.
They think that they are doing these people a favor by using them as slaves.
All because they feel bliss and there is a promise of getting off the wheel of birth an death.
The criminals use devotees for free in the kitchen and fine them at the same time.
What the actual hell!
These people have lost all their self respect.
This damn guru is not your well wisher naive souls.
He is like the evil stepmother in Cindrella.
Treating devotees like this cannot possibly be an act of love unless you have a very sick and distorted notion of love.
SoI is the cult of self torture not self realizaion.
Science of brainwashing and coercion.
I wonder if he has not had some training in mind control.
His skills are not ordinary.
The vedas unfortunatey did not warn against kali yuga demonic gurus and devotees.
Unless I have missed the info.
Iskcon and SoI are the Frankenstein monsters of the disciplic succession.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: DaWatcher ()
Date: October 01, 2021 05:13AM

Truth wins Wrote:
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> My heart breaks for all the people who are being
> exploited.

They should stop teaching. Mostly "old gang leaders". The younger generation is more or less well-mannered, they were not drug addicts, did not achieve nirvakalpa-samadhi on LSD, and were not "no job, no obligations, free" as coast-guardsmen ..

They do not have to teach. The sanyasis say this. There are devotees who teach, but listening is also beneficial, and others may concentrate on bhajan. The whole narrative that there is no progress without an outreach is not true at this point. Of course, the position for teaching is safer.

> The criminals use devotees for free in the kitchen
> and fine them at the same time.

Sad stories..

> SoI is the cult of self torture not self
> realizaion.

30 years "you are not the body. body dies you don't die".

> I wonder if he has not had some training in mind
> control.

Hypnosis. Confirmed. On this Forum.

Midgett expresses his willingness and right to teach. They are not mandated to teach. "Sirs" are neglecting the rules of Parampar. Lots of victims. Why is Mr. Tibby betting on Mr. Paramahamsa das, the converted dealer? OK nice. He taught meditation in prison. But then there are no better sincere devotees in Australia who have not traded Maryjane but sincerely served? I think your head was spinning ...



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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: DaWatcher ()
Date: October 01, 2021 05:19AM

And wait. You were coast guardsmen and looked after the dolphins, but you were always free, no job, nob obligations. Suspicious. Or maybe those dolphins were trained and they were throwing you some parcels ...

How to call such a dolphin to bring a package ... Hmm ... I think so:

This way:

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: October 02, 2021 12:30AM

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Truth wins ()
Date: October 02, 2021 01:34AM

I will never forget how my roommates would get home from a long day work and be forced to sit behind a computer to work for wailana.
SoI is partially a free labor center for wailana and now the Tulsi campain.
One devotee had to work with a super old computer.
Other devotees who were tech savvy, had to come every few weeks and try to repair that computer until 2 AM.
if you’re saving a minimum of $2000 in salary on a person, can I at least give them $500 to buy a laptop.
But why would they do that those entitled,arrogant fake demigods.
This is wat kills me. They think that they have offered salvation to many.
And that even if they kick you every day, you must thank them for giving you the opprtunity to serve
Noone seems to truly care how abuse has been normalized in this group.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: DaWatcher ()
Date: October 02, 2021 03:14PM

Truth wins Wrote:
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> I will never forget how my roommates would get
> home from a long day work and be forced to sit
> behind a computer to work for wailana.

> This is wat kills me. They think that they have
> offered salvation to many.

Well, this is salvation for the world like natural aging with 1mm thick make-up on the face and symptoms of plastic surgery and injected hyaluron ...

"Natural salvation. A solution to all problems. Even dolphins go ashore ..."

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Truth wins ()
Date: October 03, 2021 01:15AM

I truly want everybody to consider the psychological crimes that has been commited in the Krishna cult.
We cannot underestimate the level of damage and lunacy that goes on in there.
On one side they brainwash you dayand night that the lords are the most loving and forgiving ever.
On the other side, they are waiting and ready to punish devotees.
When devote

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Truth wins ()
Date: October 03, 2021 01:18AM

I truly want everybody to consider the psychological crimes that has been commited in the Krishna cult.
We cannot underestimate the level of damage and lunacy that goes on in there.
On one side they brainwash you day and night that the lords are the most loving and forgiving ever.
On the other side, they are waiting and ready to punish devotees.
An ex devotee friend was almost killed by an intoxicated driver.
Here is what she said to me later.
“Few day before I got hit I thought to myself I have been so offensive that I may ge

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Truth wins ()
Date: October 03, 2021 02:07AM

I truly want everybody to consider the psychological crimes that has been commited in the Krishna cults.
We cannot underestimate the level of damage and lunacy that goes on in there.
On one side they brainwash you day and night that the lords are the most loving and forgiving.
On the other side, they are waiting and ready to punish devotees.
An ex devotee friend was almost killed by an intoxicated driver.
Here is what she said to me later.
“Few days before I got hit, I thought to myself I have been so offensive that I may get hit by a car”.
This is the darkest side of this cult.
People constantly feeling they deserve to be punished.
To even accept being punished to almost the point of death.
Even Yahweh is not that scary.
My problem is how did this offense horror show started?
Was it promoted by Bhaktivedanta or did butler turn the deities into the russian mafia?
There you go dear mindless butler worshipers. Be proud of your guru.
He has brought you so close to god that you think you deserve getting hit by a car.
If this is not pure masochism then what is?
What is the greatest offense? To call this bhakti yoga.
I get the whole IT IS MY KARMA mantra. If she had said it was my karma I would be less disturbed.
But to think it was well deserved because of an offense, worries me.
I know that it was brainwashing. Nobody randomly enters this cult with the fear of god.
It makes me laugh when butler mentions we ar Lord Chaitanya’s army.
What army?
Army of cookie bakers and brochure ditributors. Save souls one cookie at a time.
I love the SoI who saves you from the ocean of birth ad death, then keeps your head undear the water.
They should openly promote it as purgatory.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Truth wins ()
Date: October 03, 2021 02:22AM

Not sure why all my message did not show.
I know a devotee who said she was deserving to get hit by a car because she was offensive in her mind.
She truly said to me she thought something terrible would happen to her due to offense.
In her MIND CONTROLLED mind.
To be able to scare people to this degree and make them relish in their punishment is not divine.
SoI = Mind control.

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