Posted by: zelig ()
Date: May 16, 2007

Message from Kanaka:
I was a long time follower of Siddhaswarupa Prabhu, the truth of the matter is most of the negative stuff being advertised on the internet is true. Much is exaggerated but what would you expect? Butler is extremely paranoid and secretive.

It was pointed out on another website by a former follower that Siddha has symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I am another one who can verify that to be true.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder Symptoms:

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

(4) requires excessive admiration

(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Siddhaswarupa has all the above characteristics in full.


Butler has said many times only his wife and adopted kids understands him and loves him. He says they are the only ones he can trust. The rest of his disciples are not trust worthy.

(4) requires excessive admiration:

He has given himself pompous titles like Jagad Guru, Paramahamsa and even Prabhupada, while not allowing others any titles at all. Even his appointed gurus within his organization are not allowed to be called Prabhu or given any titles of respect. When a disciple asked if they could refer to Sudama Vipra das by some title, Siddha blasted the person for asking the question saying Sudama did not need any title. I understand Sudama left the group over a decade ago, dismayed at Siddhas behaviour. Everyone was told Sudama was a great offender and could never come back.

(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

He is treated like the deity with an overly excessive amount of personal servants. It takes all day to cook for him and his wife. The cooks get up at 4 am and do not retire till after 10 pm. I saw this myself. He rarely takes prasadam from the Lords plate. Everything is offered to him directly. . I witnessed him renting a lear jet for personal travel at a cost of over 100,000 dollars. How many times he did that I don’t know. But I was there and helped prepare one of them so I know this is true. If anyone dares to object to anything Siddha wants they are immediately blacklisted and banned from his close association if not banned altogether. A slight infraction means public humiliation with letters sent worldwide so everyone knows who the offender is. In his mansions he has to have special air machines at a cost of somewhere around 80,000 dollars a piece. Usually, there are doubles of these machines in every residence in case one breaks.

He gets very angry at the smallest offense, things that are really not even an offense he condemns all his disciples worldwide for. I have seen messages sent worldwide condemning all his followers for slight discrepancies that took place in his personal service. Followers around the world are expected to solve the problems of his personal servants and are held accountable and condemned for the slightest infractions.

(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

I have seen families torn apart and devotees lives ruined when they did not follow his wishes or decided they wanted to go somewhere else for spiritual help. Look at what happened in the P.I. with the disciple who wanted to take diksa from B.V. Narayana Maharaja. He also condemned some of his followers who went to Srila Sridhara Deva Goswami Maharaja when he broke sannyasa. For his own means he makes his followers dance like dogs not caring for any backlash or trouble this causes his disciples.

(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

While he was living in mansions in Malibu, New Zealand, Honolulu and other places his followers, even those in his personal service, were dumpster diving to eat. He said point blank it would be ok to offer things gathered from the dumpsters to Krishna and it was ok for his disciples to get food from the garbage if they were that hungry. . While he sat in an oceanfront mansion at Diamond Head at a cost of somewhere around 10,000 dollars a month his followers were suffering greatly, living lower than the poverty level, and he was still demanding they give a sizeable portion of the little money they had to him so he could use it in Krishnas service. He is fond of humiliating his disciples in front of other people with no empathy or feelings about how that makes them feel.
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(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes




Things that I have seen first hand.

His toenails given out as Maha Prashad.(HOLY FOOD ) His wife started this. His step son told me personally that his mother said we should eat Siddhas toenails.

Disciples fined up to $10,000 for offensesagaints their master

Disciples forced to fast from food water and sleep due to supposed offenses

Out right lying and covert operations in the political arena in Hawaii.

Special treatment for his adopted family.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg…

Anyway buyer beware, all gurus are not the same, there are gradations of guru.

Be careful who you follow.

And this is Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard's guru.

Posted by MeanRed May 2007


Siddhaswarupa's(BUTLER ) order that followers fast for six months shows he is a programmer of the worst kind attempting to create miserable, blind following servants. He was involved in practicing programming techniques as early as the sixties with his psychic sleep and he continued to hypnotize his followers while he was involved in ISKCON.

How he learnt to brainwash people in the first place is curious journey . A surfer bum on an island beginnings hypnotizing his fellow surfers to gain submissive worship is interesting. The way Siddha repeats his sentences using different phrasing over and over, and suggests that followers should listen to his lectures regularly certainly shows that he is expoiting those who come in contact with his cult searching for knowledge by indoctrinating them and turning people into his personal slaves. Curious people who are new to this religion are shown how attractive the philosophy is, then fed up with delicious foot-water cooked food, seranaded with nice music, taught relaxation techniques to have them feeling good before playing a mind control tape which turns them into robots. If you are new how would you know the leader is adept at brainwashing people?

You would not know because all the bad shit is hidden from you.

What distinguishes a cult from the US Marine Corps or from another religion is
DECEIT.

We are not told up front the full commitment demanded of us once we become disciples.

We are not told what GODHIMSELF has described.

When we are newbies, we a greeted by lovely young people who do not themselves know how Butler will suck the life out of them and turn them into parents who
will neglect their children and ship them off to a SOI boarding school.

THese lovely young persons are not yet eating out of dumpsters, living below the poverty line.

They do not even know they have been "weaponized" by Butler and turned into "deployable agents" - recruiters for Butler's cult.

When you are a happy new member of a cult, knowing only what the cult leader has told you, you, without knowing it, become an advertisement and enticement for the group.

Without even knowing it, anyone who loves you, trusts you, follows your recommendations is at high risk of being exposed to deceitful cult recruitment.

It all happens when you are happy, you are a new member and you talk about the wonderful things your guru sponsors:

* Free meditation classes.

* A Vedic cooking class. A yoga retreat.

* A free picnic and kirtan fest on a lovely Hawaiian beach.

Corboy note: any time you see or hear of 'free meditation classes' or a 'free feast and kirtan' please get in the habit of doing background checks on these
things.

Nothing in this life is free. Everything has to be paid for. Get involved with a group that offers 'free meditation classes' and eventually you will be expected to support them. Printing paper fliers, distributing them, renting space for classes - none of that is cost free.

You will be astounded to learn how many of these events are sponsored by organizations and gurus that are listed as cults and have generated harm reports.

This is not being negative or cynical. This is protecting yourself.

People like Butler are the ones who are negative and cynical.

And the ones how recruit for exploitative groups and use free meditation classes as a front - that is as cynical as it gets.

Fact checking is real empowerment.

POSTED BY DASSI SEPT 11 2007
This is about Chris Butler political strategies
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I gave over a year of my life to the “Independents for Godly Government”. It was not a “Hare Krishna” party. It was Chris Butler’s brainchild. He micro-managed every piece of it, approved every flier, every door to door script and groomed every candidate. Candidates were hand-picked based on their ethnicity, looks, and the fact that they were locals. We all knew politics to be corrupt. We were environmentalists, anti-abortion (based on the belief that the spirit soul enters the body at conception is a life), and against any kind of exploitation of others, including animals. We wanted to return to a more native and traditional Hawaii. We wanted less technology and were inspired by economist E. F. Schumacher’s “Small is Beautiful”. We were idealists that wanted to spread “Aloha Aina”, love of the land. We imagined bringing “Vrindavan” (the idealized farming communities in the Krishna legends) to Hawaii. We imagined closing down the slaughterhouses and bringing down the high rises in Honolulu. We imagined clean beaches, solar and wind-powered houses, organic farms. We wanted to stop the commercialism and exploitation of Hawaii by the tourist industry. We worked long and hard hours for the campaigns. We used all our expertise and talents. We imagined we were serving God.

What we never imagined is that we were all pawns in the hands of a man who really was just out for his own delusions and self interests. We never imagined our guru riding around in jets with a woman who was the “offering” of her husband. We never imagined all the donations going to the luxurious lifestyle of a couple of petulant and childish adults pretending to be spiritual masters. We never imagined that the corruption we fought against would become the modus operandi of our master. We were dangerously naïve.

During this first campaign in the 1970’s, men and women were housed in separate apartments. Usually, we slept in sleeping bags on the floor. Living with a bunch of hormonal chicks was no pic-nic. But we thought we were doing the right thing. We’d wake up and chant our rounds as we loaded up in trucks and vans to have an early morning kirtans in a public park. Sid of course was never there and we were forbidden to reveal he was involved or even if we were Hari Bol peeps. The cook would lay out all the food for the day on blankets on the grass. We had yogurt and fruit in the morning and some piss poor lunch of some tofu burger thing. We would work morning till night. We ate a nondescript dinner and passed out till morning. I missed dinner one time because my ride forgot to pick me up. When I finally found my way home by bus, the guys in charge gave me sh*t.

'Siddha' is Chris Butler's guru name.

This is Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard's guru.

Her childhood was done according to Guru Toe Nail Prasadam's dictates.

And how is Sri Shim's case proceeding?

Are Hawaiian taxpayers should ask if the police and the District Attorney have done further investigations.

Look at the time that has passed. What's the condition of the evidence?

corboy Wrote:
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> 'Siddha' is Chris Butler's guru name.
>
> This is Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard's guru.
>
> Her childhood was done according to Guru Toe Nail
> Prasadam's dictates.
>
> And how is Sri Shim's case proceeding?
>
> Are Hawaiian taxpayers should ask if the police
> and the District Attorney have done further
> investigations.
>
> Look at the time that has passed. What's the
> condition of the evidence?

Um, in point of fact: actually, Tulsi Gabbard is not the disciple of Chris Butler, as she is not initiated. He may be one of her siksa gurus, sure, but she has not taken diksa from anyone (as far as I know). Just sayin'.



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Tulsi Gabbard says clearly on this video

My Gurudev Siddhaswarup Ananda Paramahansa

[www.youtube.com]

Re: Krishna group in Hawaii new
Posted by: I Believed ()
Date: October 24, 2007 09:41AM

AN EX STUDENT OF CHRIS BUTLER SCHOOL GIVE A POWERFULL TESTIMONIAL OF WHAT IT WAS LIKE IN BUTLER SCHOOL.


Were you separated from your family for years?

I was at the school for almost two years beginning when I was six. I was not allowed to see or speak to my father in this time. My contact with my mother who stayed with Siddha was very limited. She was going along with the need to focus more on service indoctrination. I know that she regrets thinking that way now. I have trouble forgiving her completely still but she is also my mother. We are not particularly close because of this Krishna bs in our lives. I do agree with Rama's sentiments when he says that people shouldn't have kids if they don't want to look after them or accept them as little people.

What work did you do there?

We were made to cook food for all the adults, gather flowers, the girls made garlands for the gatherings, clean up the place. What we were told basically. Some of the bigger kids were made to clean up after the adults, scrub toilets, do their laundry and all that.

The company did not exist when I was there but I am genuinely concerned about the plans to move Vege Chips to PI. There is also the concern that a lot of the Wai Lana merchandice is made in PI. There is a need for more research into this to gather compelling evidence but there is a lot of talk around the Gold Coast (PI is not that far away from Oz) about this and that being made by their friends in PI. Friends of course read other devotees.

What were the living conditions?

Very basic. Huts. Sleeping on mats on the floor with a blanket. Rice and milk diet. No indoor plumbing like those camp toilets. No hot showers. Washed out of a bucket. Cold. Wet. Neglected.

Were you allowed to question or have doubts?

Of course not. The bhramacharins hit you if you mouthed off or stepped out of line. I was too young to think really but I saw the other boys getting into trouble for stuff like that and not doing what they were told when they were told. The bastards there were really cold and cruel.

What were you not allowed to do?

We had no toys, no books except the krishna books we were given. We were not allowed to contact our parents had to wait for them to contact us and it was not encouraged. If you were hungry after what they gave you or didn't give you that was just too bad. It was segregated with a seperate girls school. We had no contact with anyone other than devotees whatsoever. If you got sick it was a big deal to take you to a doctor, you practically had to be dying. I remember being sick but I never saw a doctor or was given any medicine or chicken soup (lol) or even a nice word.

Were you treated kindly by teachers and peers?

Teachers lol these were bhramacharins that had no idea about kids just crapping on all day about krishna this and srila prabhupad that. They did whatever they liked and when they wanted to feel like good devotees they told themselves they were doing service to do something with us.

Did you know of any physical or sexual abuse at the PI school?

Physical abuse yes. Sexual abuse not to me but I have reasons to believe yes. I know of sexual abuse in Australia.

Were there any kids with special needs or disabilities?
How are they educated or treated?
Were you raised to give them up for adoption?

No. Siddha tells people that these children are not special and should not be called special because that gives other kids the idea that they want to be special too. He tells people to give kids like this away. Even adults that have disabilities are treated like shit unless they are a big time disciple (and they would never get sick right because krishna loves them too much) My mum told me once when I saw a kid that had something that I would now say was probably cerebal palsy in a wheelchair that they were like that because of bad karma in a past life and because their parents were demons and that it was their bad karma too that they had to raise a kid like that.

Have you or your parents ever met Chris Butler personally?

I have seen him a few times. Not like I went up and sat on his lap like santa though. I doubt he would know me from any of the rest. My parents have yes but they were mainly influenced by Tusta.

Are you an adult now? Did you get skills to support yourself now?

Yes. I don't want to give my exact age but late twenties seems to be popular among the disgruntled. I ended up going to a real public school and I really appreciated it after PI. Not that I was a genius or anything but I really liked school. It was the most normal part of my life as I saw it. I have a job now and my own place and all that stuff. Pay my own bills. I am lucky compared to some for sure. If not for my mum burning out I have plenty of examples as to how I could have ended up a lot worse off.

GODHIMSELF Wrote:
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> Tulsi Gabbard says clearly on this video
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> My Gurudev Siddhaswarup Ananda Paramahansa
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> [www.youtube.com]

OK; fair enough. Thank you for this.



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