Wow! Corboy, you are awesome! thanks!

Give a big hand to Rick Ross and to the IT people who have made this all
possible.

Shabbos tov!!!

fantastic !!! thank you Rick Ross IT people and Flash !

Thanks Rick for retrieving the lost posts. How about making it so Google search results lead to this forum. This is the last bastion for any critical reviews of Butler's cult on the internet. In the last 6 months there has been a concerted effort on the part of the Butler cult to flood the internet with his propaganda. One used to see the forum posts on Google when inquiring about the Butler cult.

Vera City:

The indexing of this message board is being worked on.

It will be finished soon and all the search engines will begin indexing the board.

It will take time for the search results to improve and move up.

This is an example of what had been lost and is now recovered:


[forum.culteducation.com]


A heartfelt thanks to RR and his people for restoring these valuable and important posts.

Data lost through a backup failure some months ago has now been restored to this message board.

This board is also now open for indexing by search engines such as Google.

Information posted on the board should soon be appearing in searches as this is a public resource.

The data recovered and restored included many individual posts and some threads.

Lost membership registration was not restored. Old members not currently listed must register as new members again in order to become active members of the message board.



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One day he will be exposed...



...in my opinion.

I don't remember if this article was ever posted here or not. I had not seen it till today. It's from 2012. It shows that the mainstream media in Hawaii has covered the Butler/Gabbard connections (and don't make much of it).

The writer has clearly visited this forum and collected Flash's research regarding campaign donations. While he admits that he based his article on other people's research, he falls short when he does not give this forum, dabcult's videos, or Flash credit for the research.

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But Tulsi Gabbard's political connections to her father go far beyond the family relationship. Despite her recent claims to socially-progressive views, the identities of her staffers and donors make much more sense as the products of a conservative family network than as the products of conventional ideological organizations.

The writer is not able to connect all the dots because he doesn't know who and who is not a Butler follower. We do. He does find it curious that known Republican donors all of a sudden voted Democratic when Tulsi had a "change of heart". He did notice that the same people who donated to other Butler followers (Reed, Hoshijo, Nishiki, Mike Gabbard) also voted for Tulsi. He doesn't quite figure out that their success is more than family nepotism, but a cult voting block. He also doesn't know the where the enclaves of cultists live and how to trace the money coming from outside of Hawaii(Citrus Heights, California area; Cottonwood, Arizona area; Poland; Philippines; possibly China; etc.)

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Gabbard had strong ties to an obscure Hare Krishna splinter group that, in the late 1970s, fielded several political candidates. The splinter group was founded by a Hawai'i homegrown guru named Chris Butler.
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Butler eventually broke away from ISKCON, criticizing the regimen and centralization of ISKCON life. He formed his own organization, which has had several names: Hare Name Society, Identity Institute and the Science of Identity Foundation. What started as a small religious sect on Maui in the 1970s developed a following that, according to some estimates, includes tens of thousands of people all over the world.
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Many of Butler's associates made headlines in the 1976 election when they created a party called Independents for Godly Government. As its name implied, the group insisted on rigorous moral standards for its candidates.
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In the '80s and '90s, Butler appeared in a series of locally filmed shows, titled Jagad Guru Speaks, in which he sermonized on spirituality. In one episode... Mike and Carol Gabbard are shown sitting just a few feet away from the charismatic guru, laughing along with the audience.

Gabbard's wife served as secretary/treasurer of the Science of Identity Foundation until 2000, before she successfully ran for a seat on the state Board of Education. Both Gabbard and his wife were listed as teachers at the Science of Identity Foundation in Polk's City Directory in the early 1990s.

In the late '80s and early '90s, both Gabbards worked as staffers in the office of then Maui state Sen. Rick Reed. A controversial figure himself, Reed has acknowledged Butler as his "spiritual adviser." Reed mounted short-lived campaigns for both Congress and the lieutenant governorship in 1986. He then ran for U.S. Senate against Daniel Inouye in 1992, setting off a scandal when he publicized claims that Inouye had sexually molested a Honolulu hairdresser named Lenore Kwock.

All five of Gabbard's children have Hindu names: Bhakti, Jai, Aryan, Tulsi and Vrindavan (Hinduism is the root of the Hare Krishna religion). The Gabbards' Natural Deli was housed in Down to Earth, which was then owned and managed by Butler followers.

No one questions Gabbard's right to believe as he chooses. Some may even applaud him for his religious beliefs. However, some voters may worry about his former ties to a Krishna sect. Especially when members and associates of that group have mounted repeated attempts at high public office.

There is a button at the bottom of the article where you can vote about what was written.

She won the election any way. As I have written before, Hawaii is all about OHANA and religious tolerance, so they don't bat an eyelash that so many family members and members of her religious group voted for her.

The real story lies in whether Butler is illegally funneling money into political campaigns and plying undue influence on his politician/followers. The head of the snake should be the real target of scrutiny.

In my opinion, Butler is just a pathetic fraud, a small time narcissist/guru living off of his followers --- while his politician/followers are just opportunists living off of their guru and his voting block.

Tulsi Gabbard: The Curiously Conservative and Nepotistic Network of a Democratic Candidate

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Tulsi Gabbard: The Curiously Conservative and Nepotistic Network of a Democratic Candidate

The writer is not able to connect all the dots because he doesn't know who is and who is not a Butler follower. We do.

He does find it curious that known Republican donors all of a sudden donated to Mike and Tulsi when they changed parties. Tulsi had a "change of heart" and I guess so did this suspicious block of donors. The writer also noticed that the same people who donated to other Butler followers (Reed, Hoshijo, Nishiki, Mike Gabbard) also donated to Tulsi's campaign. He doesn't quite figure out that their success is more than family nepotism, but a cult voting block.

He also doesn't know where the enclaves of cultists reside and how to trace the money coming from outside of Hawaii (Citrus Heights, California area; Cottonwood, Arizona area; Poland (and other eastern European countries); Philippines; New Zealand; Australia; and possibly China; etc.) which makes "following the money" more difficult.

She won the election any way. She also gained support from typical sources and local, non-cult support. As I have written before, Hawaii is all about OHANA and religious tolerance, so they don't bat an eyelash that so many family members and members of her religious group donated funds to her campaign. If she does a good job representing Hawaii, she will have a long career like her father. Neither of them could win by the cult alone.

The real story lies in whether Butler is illegally funneling money into political campaigns and plying undue influence on his politician/followers. The head of the snake should be the real target of scrutiny.

Yes, it is against everything American to be prejudiced against people who practice different religions. That is as long as practitioners do not harm others or break the law of the land. Just look at the problems pluralistic and liberal countries are having with radical Islam and Sharia law (Sweden, France, Denmark, Netherlands, Great Britain). It begs the question, how can followers of a religion that condones honor killing and forced clitorectomies and other abuses be a part of a government or leadership without tempering their beliefs to conform with civilized behavior?

How can a follower of a leader who claims he is the "guru of the world", God's representative on earth, who says he can read minds and travel to other planets be good judges and lawmakers?

Deception on guru's orders? We know what Butler preaches and practices. We know that his politician followers keep his name and influence unspoken. They think they have covered their bases by using euphemisms such as "bhakti yoga and Catholicism", "Hinduism and taking an oath on the Bhagavad Gita", and claiming to be a part of "Gaudiya Vaishnavism". No doubt all of these press releases have been approved by Butler. It is known that they follow this splinter Hare Krishna group. I wonder if it was a copy of A.C.Bhaktivedanta's translation of the Bhagavad Gita!?

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No one questions Gabbard's right to believe as he chooses. Some may even applaud him for his religious beliefs. However, some voters may worry about his former ties to a Krishna sect. Especially when members and associates of that group have mounted repeated attempts at high public office.

So the next question is whether their true allegiances could be to this mad man over their own country? I'm not too worried about that because Butler enjoys his lifestyle too much to make any waves. He won't do anything to jeopardize his income by creating a scandal. It's not like he really has much control. His religion is virulently anti-homosexual (anti-heterosexual for that matter) and anti-abortion. Both Mike and Tulsi had to conform to the Democratic platform against their own beliefs to win elections.

That should beg the question, Do we really want leaders who whore out their convictions to get elected? Or is it that they are now becoming "moderate Butlerites" that reject the more radical aspects of their religion just as we have elected moderate Muslims into our government?

In my opinion, Butler is just a pathetic fraud, a small time narcissist/guru living off of his followers --- while his politician/followers are just opportunists living off of their guru and his voting block. Maybe less so with Tulsi since she was born into the craziness. This may be the best way she can strike out on her own within the cult.



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