Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: dabcult ()
Date: September 14, 2013 01:45PM

I will never forget meeting Bhakti in the Las Vegas jail

crazy as a loon ....depress ..confuse ....and as far as I have heard he was a male prostitute in Hawaii for sometime

but hey sister TULSI must not have time for her brother ...and MIKE he as BUTLER to serve

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Soggydog1 ()
Date: September 15, 2013 07:19AM

I'm sitting next to the sea in a native fishing village not far from Butler's Big Island compound enjoying local musicians. I've been trying to edit Tulsi Gabbard's Wikipedia bio, including references. I haven't been yet able to figure out the code to replace references when I change her 'Hindu' claim to 'Hare Krishna'. Any coaching available out there?

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: September 15, 2013 01:12PM

Sounds great!! What it should really say is: " a non-sanctioned renegade, obscure splinter group loosely based on the Hare Krishna" because what Butler is peddling isn't exactly Hare Kosher!

Just googled Way Looney and up came Dabs smiling face !! Along with all his Way Looney videos!
That shoud give some pause to people who might be tempted to
buy her yoga stuff.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Vera City ()
Date: September 17, 2013 01:20AM

I visited the Ghetto Fighters Museum in Israel and came across this rare photo of Hitler.

I was struck at how similar it is to the photo of Sai [Butler] and his followers...

Just look at the similarity between the faces and body language of the adoring worshippers...





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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: dabcult ()
Date: September 17, 2013 03:25AM

Funny ..scary ....but so truth ....they both offer solutions to life problems

one even had a final solution

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: September 17, 2013 08:42AM

Powerful.

Both insane.
Both destructive individuals.
Both very particular in their diets....but no compassion for their fellow brothers (and sisters).

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: dabcult ()
Date: September 17, 2013 12:35PM

[www.harekrsna.com]


A point of view to understand the guy that wanted to kill TULSI

Rochan is an IDIOT .....its never the fault of Swami Bhaktivedanta ....its always some other followers
anyway I tought this articles might be of interest to those of us that are following the story

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: September 17, 2013 09:05PM

Prabhupada was also particular about his diet--as well as making himself center of all eyes.

Sex negative, elitist and yet, in his own way, quite the sensualist regarding food.

Here are three posts, dialog on this same thread eight years ago, where natural mystic and I discussed old man prabhupada. He was a dictator in a dhoti.

[forum.culteducation.com]

And for those interested, here is a look at an essay by Umberto Eco in which he analyses the conditions that give rise to fascism.

Ponder whether any of these apply to the groups discussed on this thread.

Umberto Eco "Eternal Fascism"

[www.themodernword.com]

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Vera City ()
Date: September 17, 2013 09:15PM

I was able to resurrect some of Flash's great research/newspaper clippings and links here that documents Butler's meddling into Hawaiian politics [IMHO]

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Thank you, Vera, for your eyewitness account of the 1977 congressional campaign of Kathy Hoshijo and for documenting the complete control by Chris Butler. Your unimpeachable testimony makes my fact-finding so much more credible and hopefully will convince others of Butler’s true intentions. [* see post below in blue] I’m posting below another “lost” article from the pre-internet year of 1977. It is part one of Walter Wright’s three part series. I recall seeing parts two and three on the Rick Ross Forum, but part one seems to be missing from the Internet. This posting will correct that gap and I’ve transcribed the test to aid the search engines and for the benefit of future readers. I’ll insert the images of the clippings at the end of this post since the transcription is easier to read. The bold type is mine.

By way of introduction, this appears to be the first of at least five congressional elections manipulated by Chris Butler. The press reported on the candidates alleged ties to Butler in each of the first four elections, but not in the fifth which resulted in the landslide victory of Tulsi Gabbard. What happened this time around? Same donors, same funneling of money, same party-flipping, same right-wing beliefs, and the same control by Butler – but not one comment from the mainstream media. “Oh, where have you gone,” … Walter Wright?



When a small new newspaper on Maui called The Valley Isle published a rumor about an alleged “godfather" of organized crime and was hit with a multimillion-dollar lawsuit as a result, Advertiser staff writer Walter Wright was assigned to find out who started the paper and what their goals were. He concluded that the paper was only a small part of the "real' story: a loose-knit community of religious devotees, taught by a charismatic young guru and quietly making giant strides in business and politics. First of a three-part series By WALTER WRIGHT Advertiser Staff Writer
How 1976 ballots would have Looked if …


Katyayani devi dasi for Congress! Jivan Krsna das for mayor! Elect Sidha Swar das State representative! Send Sakari das to Washington! These were the hidden names in the 1976 political campaign. You know the first of them better as Kathy Hoshijo. The others are also-rans John Moore, Robert Gleason and Bill Penaroza. The names belong to participants in a powerful but little-known spiritual movement whose devotees win thousands of votes in politics, handle millions of dollars in business and follow a black sheep guru chanting the name of Krishna, the All-Attractive. The spiritual leader in the center of all this activity is Chris Butler. 29. a Kalani High School graduate who joined and then fell away from the International Society for Krishna Consciousness i ISKCON Many of Butler's followers are similarly disenchanted with ISKCON's strict regimen of temple life, book sales and street begging. If ISKCON members are known in Hawaii as "the Hare Krishnas", Butler's far less conspicuous followers could be called "the other Krishnas," operating as farmers, merchants, politicians and journalists. The labels are inadequate to encompass the variety of individuals involved, especially in a sect identified in part by its insistence on nonsectarianism, as Butler's followers would be the first to insist. And it is hard to avoid leaping from one generalization about these groups to another, afflicting individuals with a sort of "holiness by association." But many of them have chosen to associate, in various ways, for spiritual, business and political purposes, around common doctrines and similar practices which can be described. Butler's followers generally chant in the privacy of their own homes or makeshift non-ISKCON temples in rural Maui and Kauai. Most of them say they revere ISKON founder A. C. Bahktivedanta Swami Prabhupad, but refuse to peddle his books and incense on the street. They avoid pushing the philosophy on other people — except in watered-down political guise. The political fruit of Butler's instruction, financed in part by the …see page 3

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business ventures of his followers, blossomed forth last year in the form of a new come-from-nowhere political party called Independents for Godly Government (IGG). Preaching strict morality for public officials and slow-or-no-growth and self-sufficiency for Hawaii, the IGG fielded 14 candidates last year. One of them, Hoshijo, received 17 per cent of the vote in a three-way congressional contest. Another IGG candidate, non-initiate but fellow chanter Wayne Nishiki, took 20 per cent of the vote in a three-man race for mayor of Maui. It is just the beginning. Hoshijo announced for the 1978 lieutenant governor race as a Democrat, but dropped out when ruled ineligible because she was under the minimum age of 30. Hoshijo then joined antiabortion and other ''traditionalist" women in a slate that swept elections to represent Hawaii at the National Women's Conference in Houston in November. Today, the IGG is focusing on Con- Con — the upcoming convention to propose revisions to the State Constitution, with delegates to be-elected next May. The IGG's spiritual heritage remained a 'mystery’ during the campaign because the news media didn't dig hard enough and several candidates skillfully ducked and dodged the Question. "The lives of our candidates are an open book to everyone," the IGG declared. But the candidates hid some pages from view. Devotees whose principal form of worship and whose route to salvation is to glorify the name of Krishna chose not to glorify that name in public. "They denied the name of their God," said William E. Dove of the Big Island, a founder of the first ISKCON center in Hawaii and the first devotee to be initiated here. "They were trying to make too many compromises, but in spiritual life there is no compromise." A small publication called the Maui Moon declared last year that "Independents for Krishna Government would be a more conducive title for this party." But the article got little attention. When the Honolulu Star-Bulletin last October described Maui mayoral candidate Wayne Nishiki as "like various other Godly Government candidates, a devotee of the Hare Krishna faith," Nishiki said he was not and never had been a member of ISKCON, "nor have any of my supporters," and sent a letter threatening to sue. He didn't follow through, however. The same month, Hoshijo called a press conference and declared that the IGG was not affiliated with any religious organization. Last May, seven months after the election, Hoshijo said she was not a member of any organized religious group, including ISKCON. What Hoshijo did not say, in October or May, was that she had been initiated "Katyayani" by the founder and head of ISKCON, and that she lived for four months in an ISKCON temple in Pittsburgh, Pa., in the early 1970s. She did not reveal that for years she has followed the guidance of Butler, a teacher of the Krishna Yoga philosophy. Nor did the champion vote-getter of the IGG reveal that several of her fellow candidates were also initiates of Prabhupad, that all chanted Hare Krishna and, that many were involved in common business enterprises founded on Krishna philosophy.

Krishna principles adapted
The party line: 'Thou shalt not…’


Devout Krishna worshipers are different from most people because:
• They don't eat meat or eggs.
• They refrain from "illicit sex." which means all sexual contact, including kissing, unless performed by married couples once a month at the optimum time for procreation, and then only after hours of chanting to cleanse the mind.
• They avoid "speculation." which ranges from gambling to considering alternative opinions on religion.
• They refrain from intoxicants, which include coffee and tea.
These prohibitions are from the four "regulative principles" laid down by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad, founder of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON), for his followers. Independents for Godly Government also are different from most people because they are required by the party to follow watered-down versions of these same rules. The only thing the IGG left out was Prahupad's positive requirement that devotees chant the Hare Krishna mantra, 16 rounds daily on a string of 108 beads. In many instances, IGG candidates did not need to be required by the party to chant. John Moore, principal spokesman for the party and its candidate for mayor of Honolulu last year, doesn't use beads, though he carries a mechanical digital counter like the kind gatekeepers use to count customers. When you hear it click during a conversation with him, you know he has just recited 16 more names of God. The prohibition on meat eating, contained in the IGG bylaws, received no attention during the campaign because, Moore said, we deemphasized it because it was not realistic — there were good people that still ate meat or eggs or fish." But the party bylaws themselves said that eating flesh released poisons and that this elimination of toxins diverted energy from thought. The bylaws also said that flesh eating was unhealthy, was an inefficient way to obtain protein from the land and caused suffering of animals whose wholesale slaughter "the government should discourage because it implicates the people in general in the law of Karma." The party would permit drugs prescribed for medical use, but banned all others for its candidates. Oddly, candidates also took the position that personal use of marijuana and growth of quantities for personal use should be legalized. Congressional candidate Kathy Hoshijo, who said "I think I've smoked it a couple of times, probably when I was in school," said the party was against sale of marijuana, but believed use of it was a matter of "personal choice." The same idea applied to all the regulative principles, she said. "They can't be enforced; it has to be by will." The IGG's sexual prohibition was only against sex outside of marriage, based on the view that a politician’s energy is better used otherwise, that promiscuous sex leads to unwanted children and broken homes, and to exploitation of people as sex objects. Some IGG candidates now say they follow Prabhupad's stricter regulation that sex be engaged in only for procreation, not for sensual pleasure. Because Prabhupad also opposes contraception and abortion, one said, "we abstain from sex completely" if a child is not wanted. The Krishna prohibition against gambling was converted by IGG candidates to a ban on "gambling or land speculation." And, to help keep themselves humble, IGG candidates pledged to accept only half of any salary for public office, and to "live simply at the State poverty level." "Karma yoga, the idea of selfless service — not a political conspiracy — was the motivating force, was the only thing that kept us working," says Hoshijo, the party's candidate for Congress on Oahu. Hoshijo says the party was first proposed in 1975 when she and Wayne Nishiki, Michael Durkan, Bill Penaroza and John Moore, associated around the nucleus of health food stores on Maui and Kauai, began asking "what's going on and what can we do about it. "A lot of the organizers had grown up on Oahu." Hoshijo remembers, "and had moved to the outer islands to get away from it all. and then saw the outer Islands following the same course." The idea of acknowledging Krishna in the name of the party never occurred to the founders. Hoshijo said. "At first, someone suggested Independents for Moral Government, but we felt morality springs from a deep relationship with God." The name "Aloha Party" was considered, and may yet be adopted by the IGG as a result of a reorganization effort it has just announced in an attempt to attract support from a wider range of religious groups. - By WALTER WRIGHT




More than 80 percent of the 1976 political campaign contributions reported by the Independents for Godly Government (IGG) and by the party’s congressional candidate, Kathy Hoshijo, came from 32 individuals. And party spokesman John Moore says he believes that most of these contributors worship Krishna by chanting the Hare Krishna mantra. Of the $43,090 that Hoshijo reported in campaign contributions, 90% per cent came from the IGG and 32 individuals. And 74 per cent of the $19,952 reported by IGG game from only 14 persons, all of whom also gave to Hoshijo. When the Hoshijo and IGG contributions are combined, it appears that just 32 individuals gave 81 per cent of the $53,595 received. The average contribution among these 32 persons ran about $,.580 per person. In fact, just 13 couples and individuals gave $30,392,or about $2,300 each representing 56 per cent of all of the money received by the party and Its strongest candidate. Even this record suggests a relatively broader base of financial support than that of Hoshijo's victorious opponent, Democratic Rep. Cecil Heftel, who financed almost his entire $555,000 campaign from his own pocket. Larry Olsen, party treasurer and Hoshijo's husband, said last year that many contributions were left by anonymous donors in coconut shell collection cups in public places and that "quite a few of us have put our life savings into this venture." The media — and the voters — never found out how completely the vague "us" that Olsen referred to were spiritually and financially connected with one another. Analysis of campaign records now shows that at least $14,000 of the $53,000 contributed to IGG and Hoshijo came from 10 persons, who have been associated with businesses now under the umbrella of Down to Earth Inc. Down to Earth is a health food and juice distributor and retailer in which IGG leaders John Moore, John Midgett and Olsen are principal stockholders. More than 10 per cent of Hoshijo's campaign war chest last year came from persons who this year started and staffed a free newspaper on Maui called the Valley Isle. Seven of nine persons named on the Valley Isle masthead this spring were connected with IGG in 1976. In many instances, these fledgling journalists are the same persons associated with businesses now in the Down to Earth combine. About a third of the major ICS donors were IGG candidates themselves, contributing in excess of $10,000 to the Hoshijo and IGG coffers: again, there is overlap with Down to Earth and both the Valley Isle and Kauai Sun newspapers. This assemblage of friends, business associates, roommates, relatives and fellow chanters was the Wayne Nishiki heart of what Hoshijo called ''such a diverse group of people throughout the State." Their close relationships were not made clear during the campaign. For example; Olsen and fellow candidate, Wayne Nishiki, together with one Tim O'Connor, were described as "sales representatives" in public reports that did not indicate they worked for the same enterprise. After the election, Hoshijo said many of her contributors giving the maximum $1,000 proved that people motivated by spiritual ideals are more generous. Many may have been so generous as to have indirectly exceeded- the $1,000 limit on individual contributions to Hoshijo by funneling the money through the IGG. The numbers indicate it would have been mathematically impossible for the IGG to give Hoshijo $9,300 in assistance if IGG hadn't received more than $11,000 in contributions from people already backing Hoshijo directly to the limit. The Advertiser was no more successful this year than last in determining precisely where the major contributors to Hoshijo and IGG funds got their money. Only about a fourth of them could be found. Those who could be reached for comment were almost universally direct in explaining that, while they had little income, they tapped savings to make their sizable contributions. "If you're looking for a unifying factor," IGG spokesman Moore said. "it's this: We're willing to sleep on the floor so we can use our money for other things. I haven't got any use for hard cash: we all practice a pretty simple life-style." But Moore, and other IGG leaders including Mike Durkan on Maui and John Midgett and Bill Penaroza on Kauai admit there's been a slight shift in their attitudes toward money since the 1976 campaigns. As Moore puts it: "There's been a change. Money is something I want to obtain, not bad enough to compromise any principles for it, but because there's a need for it. ''We've learned it takes money to run a political campaign." And Moore and friends are thinking, of running again. — By WALTER WRIGHT


Eight months after the 1976 elections, Independents for Godly Government officials finally began acknowledging their spiritual Krishna heritage in response to repeated questions by The Advertiser. Several weeks ago, the Advertiser advised the party it intended to disclose in news stories the extent of Krishna devotees' influence in IGG. Subsequently, on August 9, the IGG party called television stations to a press conference and announced: - Even though we sought candidates from every community and denomination and waited till the last moment to announce them, over 50 per cent were practitioners of Krishna Yoga, though not members of any temple or church." Similarly, on the same day, the Valley Isle, a Maui newspaper that has been written primarily by IGG leaders, published an interview with IGG president William Penaroza on the planned restructuring of the IGG. The interviewer asked: "It's pretty well known, here on Maui anyway, that probably 90 per cent of the people who were involved in IGG working full time were into yoga meditation and other Eastern disciplines and maybe 50 per cent or more were into Krishna Yoga. So is this restructuring an attempt to bring in people of Western or Christian theologies so that you'd have Eastern and Western disciplines working together?" Penaroza responded: "Yes. That's right. We actually failed to get the organized churches involved, and that includes Christian as well as Buddhist churches. So there was a barrier between IGG and most conventional, established religious organizations."

PDF file of the scans for these clippings:
IGG clippings

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Eight months after the 1976 elections, Independents for Godly Government officials finally began acknowledging their spiritual Krishna heritage in response to repeated questions by The Advertiser. Several weeks ago, the Advertiser advised the party it intended to disclose in news stories the extent of Krishna devotees' influence in IGG. Subsequently, on August 9, the IGG party called television stations to a press conference and announced: - Even though we sought candidates from every community and denomination and waited till the last moment to announce them, over 50 per cent were practitioners of Krishna Yoga, though not members of any temple or church." Similarly, on the same day, the Valley Isle, a Maui newspaper that has been written primarily by IGG leaders, published an interview with IGG president William Penaroza on the planned restructuring of the IGG. The interviewer asked: "It's pretty well known, here on Maui anyway, that probably 90 per cent of the people who were involved in IGG working full time were into yoga meditation and other Eastern disciplines and maybe 50 per cent or more were into Krishna Yoga. So is this restructuring an attempt to bring in people of Western or Christian theologies so that you'd have Eastern and Western disciplines working together?" Penaroza responded: "Yes. That's right. We actually failed to get the organized churches involved, and that includes Christian as well as Buddhist churches. So there was a barrier between IGG and most conventional, established religious organizations."

Flash, thanks for finding this. My eyewitness got extremely agitated and infuriated at your last set of clippings. The ads for Hoshijo in particular brought up some memories and PTSD symptoms again (which were temporary, but palpable).


He said that what the IGG candidates told the media was an ABSOLUTE LIE!!! The whole IGG party were BUTLER devotees...period. It was Butler's idea and project from the start. There was no reaching out to other congregations or religions. At least Penaroza was honest about failure. He got HELL for that comment from Butler.

"... 50% or more into Krishna Yoga.." is a complete LIE! 100%. The group was so insular that NO OUTSIDERS who may have been idealistically aligned and wanted to help could not be included because it would become quickly apparent that they were ALL a cult following one man. It was not the pluralistic, egalitarian group that they pretended to be. Fear of people not understanding!? People could understand very well. It shows how much the group feels superior to the rest of the world. They would get local musicians to play at their PR events, but never let them in on the secrets.

When my eyewitness was in the cult, he wondered why IGG did not continue. The reason is Walter Wright. It is clear that they had been found out and could not fool the people again. You see people understood very well. Even people who went door-to-door campaigning for IGG candidates were persistently asked about the connection and deception after the Wright articles came out. They were told to LIE flat out that there was no connection to Hare Krishna.

It is interesting to note that Hoshijo in particular could have won the election had she not been deceptive at her guru's orders. She still won 20% of the vote which was unprecedented for a third party even after being exposed as a Hare Krishna. She was wildly popular as a local woman like Tulsi. But her heart was not into politics. Tulsi on the other hand, was both born in the cult and into a political family. Perfect grooming....

My source remembered how pissed off Butler was when these Wright articles came out. He spit his typical mocking venum at the writer and pointed fingers at his enemies in ISKCON. Here's the scene: Butler sat elevated on a chair surrounded by his elite disciples and IGG candidates sitting cross-legged on the floor. Of course they would bow down on the ground with their butts in the air entering and leaving his presence mumbling quietly their obeisances. [What you see in the Jagad Guru Speaks show with followers sitting on the same level NEVER happened in real life. It was a ruse so people would not catch on to the fact that his followers WORSHIPED BUTLER LIKE A GOD!]
When they were all settled, he would rant about the newspaper articles with everyone nodding heads "yes" and offering supporting statements or information. He would go on and rant about "stupid" followers mistakes or comments and humiliate them in front of the group. The offender would hang their head low and say, "Yes, Shrila Prabhupad...I'm sorry...it won't happen again..." He would rant about ISKCON people and his candidates political opponents....always in his adolescent, put-down style that got his followers to laugh and feel SO SUPERIOR. He would then discuss strategies and game plans for the campaign. Everyone was infected with a sense of mission and self-importance. He made everyone feel special to be working so closely to his "grace" and doing superior service.... No one thought there was anything wrong with this picture.

EVERY idea, move, and strategy had to be put through for Butler approval. He trained them all on how to respond to the media. He trained them how to lie and believe the lies. He trained them that the lies are for the "benefit of the poor, spiritually ignorant humans". This is very similar to the concept of TAQIYYA practiced by some Islamist groups.

Another memory from my source: They got a pretty young woman to convince a popular Hawaiian group called the Ho'opi'i Brothers to endorse the Butler business front HAIKU JUICE, managed by Hahnumann (Hesh Goldstein). This ad appeared in Butler's paper The Valley Isle. They were only given two cases of juice cans for the endorsement. The woman was completely mortified and embarrassed to deliver such a cheap payment... and the Ho'opi'i Brothers were a bit insulted too.

Fast forward 36 years...




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/17/2013 09:22PM by Vera City.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: September 17, 2013 09:24PM

Shana tova, achoti!

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