Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Vera City ()
Date: July 07, 2013 12:51AM

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corboy
Paging Matt Taibbi, the political journalist who writes for Rolling Stone.

Get on this, brother.

The Republic needs help.

No kidding! I sent him links to this forum some time ago...
Perhaps another try...

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: dabcult ()
Date: July 08, 2013 03:33AM

I have redone the last part of the video on Mike Gabbard ...since I received positive comment on the choice of music for Tulsi video
link is
[www.youtube.com]

As far as the comment by Vera on Paula DEEN ...in America there is big consequenses for using the "N " word
but not much consequenses for using words like "FAGS" and dozen more anti gay words ....a little I am sorry and TULSI goes on to glory

You can even be a senator in Hawaii having a history of being a professional gay basher ...AND NEVER APOLOGISE...nor his Mormon friends for giving him $600,000 (from how many churches did he get money in HAWAII ?...That no one knows as yet .
There is a lot of hypocrisy in US politics

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: July 09, 2013 04:57AM

Aloha everyone:
I have stirred the pot by sending emails to an influential Hindu group featuring Henry's "masquerade" video highlighting Tulsi Gabbard’s deceit:

[www.youtube.com]
[www.hawaiireporter.com]

Also, I just emailed Harmeet Kaur Dhillon with a link to Henry’s video. Perhaps we are nearing a tipping point where South Asians will no longer tolerate stereotyping of their religions.
I will be ready shortly with a new post likely to embarrass Tulsi Gabbard in her Homeland Security position. Stay tuned.

Flash

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: tellyoulies ()
Date: July 11, 2013 06:18AM

I cannot agree more with Vera on the subject of Tulsi. she is not able to see the light at the moment. I hope one day she can and will, and perhaps her distance from Hawaii and being among ... oh well that is crap most of the people in the US government have an indoctrinated mind like her. but none the less let us hope she gets a chance to break free. Tulsi .. if you are reading this .. you are free.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: tellyoulies ()
Date: July 11, 2013 07:50AM

I wanted to point a light on the leaders of the cult for a second.

Currently their are 2 people in the cult power structure at this moment, who people believe to be "AS GOOD AS GOD" as being "Perfect" in every way.
"Pure Lovers of God"
Both individuals are initiated disciples of AC. Bakti Vedanta Swami

Lead Dog = Chris (AKA Sidda Swarup, teacher of the world, srila prabupad, Sai ) Butler

Mr. Butler does not follow the rules of the religion he is supposed to be the Leader of , Mr. Butler broke his sanyasi vow and married (it is better to be dead than to break your vows of Sanyasi). Mr. Butler married a woman who was already married, weather this was love or due to "Divine will of the Master" he is not following his guru. Mr. Butler claims to be in direct contact with god through his guru, yet he does not follow the will of his guru. The playing loose and quick with the rules that he does not have to follow is amazing, and for people to question this the answer is "Time, Place & Circumstance". Mr. Butler also preaches HATE towards gays, he uses the most profane language regarding people who love the same sex. This "perfect man" this divine holy "Better than Jesus" in the eyes of his followers man preaches HATE. This human being who his followers believe can raise the dead, create planets, fly to the sun on the rays of the sun, this man who has the ear of GOD, uses his disciples to manufacture his Yoga TV show for his Wife to make her wealthy, belittles his female devotees and has called them C#nts and other despicable words, is still to this day being bowed to, worshiped as if he was god on earth. This is not only a sad place for the individual who is Mr. Chris Butler (I actually feel sorry for him)... but a sad state of mankind who would actually believe this man and worship him with everything, even to the extent of eating the nail clipping of his feet, and drinking the water that cleaned his feet... what can we do? he has hundreds of devotees in the Australia , Hawaii, the Philippines & Northern California. yet he never travels to these places any longer, he says in his germ free (lol) compound in Hawaii...what is he so scared of? why is he in hiding? would not a person with this much power... with this much influence not be able to be on CNN? Fox news, Talk shows and enlighten the world? can not one of the most powerful beings on this planet not get sick from germs?


Second Lead Dog = Kathy (AKA Katyani Devi Dasi) Hoshijo/O'Conner
Mrs O'Conner/ Hoshijo started as a follower of Sai in the early days before Sai was initiated by AC Bakti Vedanta Swami. Kathy followed Mr Butler to the Hare Krishna movement, was a disciple and then left the ISKON movement when Mr. Butler did. Mr. Butler did fund her Cooking show Kathy Cooks Naturally on PBS (Just like Wai Lana hmmmm) Butlers disciples worked, filmed and produced her cooking show in the studio next to the same one that Mr. Butler filmed his TV show that was on in Hawaii. Mrs. O'Conner/ Hoshijo did sell many cookbooks. Kathy has started to take on disciples (perhaps a handful even with her firsts disciple leaving her because he saw through the "veil" so to speak) and is currently actively recruiting additional followers. Kathy O'Conner/Hoshijo again a pure devotee of god... does not pay for her place of residence. I feel sorry for this person as living in this charade of "godliness" must take a toll on her. But then again , when you are in denial ... you cant see your self. And what to speak of her parenting skills. Would not a pure devotee of god, a person who talks to god "daily" (we are talking GOD her folks... G.O.D you know master of the universe) how can a person who is perfect ... not raise children who are pretty darn amazing? i mean lets get down to the nitty gritty... If a person is considered "perfect" judge them by their "fruits" and the children of that type of person should be better than average.. right? I won't go into her children because ... they are not to blame for what their mother claims to be. I mean seriously what type of psychological damage and point of view do you have on life if you mother is bowed to, treated like a god (a divine deity) treated as perfect? they may never get the human experience of seeing their parents with faults, and if they have faults... (IF because perfect people don't' have faults..right?) if they even think that she is not perfect... Bang zing to "hell" with them for even thinking a pure lover of god is not perfect.. what a conundrum it must be to be her child.

These are the ring leaders at the moment... with devout followers. Pure Perfect Individuals who other people believe can literately raise the dead... walk on water.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: July 11, 2013 09:09AM

What gave us the part of our cultural foundation was the inheritance from classical Greece.

And from what I have been reading, the life of the Greek city states developed in a context very different from India, the Near East and Egypt.

Greece was scattered into valleys separated by mountains, inlets, islands. The small farms and towns of Greece could not produce huge quantities of grain. But they could, on small parcels of land, produce high value commodities--olive oil and wine, which the Greeks traded for grain imported from the Black Sea and Near East.

So the life of Greece was lived out in small city states and competition pervaded all areas of life.

Individual achievement was encouraged and valued--at least for males.

So in this context, open debate, public elections, public speaking, trial by citizen jury developed.

India, Egypt and the Near East, came under imperial domination in the early stages, ruled authoritarian elites. It was only in the mid twentieth century that India has been an elected democracy, and its citizens worry a great deal about how things are going.

The best that the Krishnas can imagine is a return to a golden age 'Vedic Kingdom.'

No thanks. Look what went on in ISKON and Chris Butler's set ups.

The best that the Krishnas (whether ISKON or the breakaway Butler sect can do) is exploit American democracy's generous tax breaks for spiritual non profits--and exploit the short memory of the average US citizen.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: dabcult ()
Date: July 11, 2013 09:44AM

Yes it is time to expose the lead dog of Chris Butler ....Hoshiro/O Conner
any dirt on her is appreciated for an upcoming video

I decided to a few weeks ago that I would go to California to try to interview her .....
but ex disciples of Chris Butler have told me to stay away from her home
because she is meried to BRAHMA THIRTA ...who is described as an angry man that like and collect guns and knows how to use it .
So we got a bonafide female guru ...who is an accomplice of the criminal organisation of BUTLER ...who makes a living $$ with a dozen or so disciples that maintain her Dana Point California home
all because ..thats what disciples are "little slaves " that will worship Katayany even if she as 5 kids that are dysfonctional
and chose a "little gangster " for husband with a dozen kids here and there ...MACHO MACHO MAN

She is a pure devotee SAID CHRIS BUTLER ....and thats all you need to start collecting people who will think that you are their door to salvation .
I will debate you on video any time you are ready to have a video interview with me KATAYANEE
in the meantime
any of her disciples that read this ...investigate the WOMAN deeply before giving her another DIME

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: July 13, 2013 09:49AM

I am once again distracted from my plan to reveal more about Tulsi Gabbard. But I do feel the need to comment on Katyayani so readers will have a bit of historical perspective. The facts and opinions expressed by Butler’s ex-followers are far more important than mine, which is why I see my role as encouraging them to come forward as happened the last time I posted about Katyayani. It cannot be easy for a person to break away from this cult, and harder still to post to the message board knowing that Butler’s minions are here as trolls and perhaps pretenders.

Kathy Hoshijo (Katyayani devi dasi) was indeed initiated around the same time as Chris Butler, in 1971. Both initiations took place in July; her’s in Pittsburg and Butler’s in Hawaii. Both were disciples of Srila Prabhupada and later broke away and even “stole” from their spiritual master as mentioned by tell-you-lies. If Kathy actually walked away from Butler and is totally independent, it is good news for all those who dream to be free.
[sp.krishna.com]

What is not well known is that Chris Butler and Kathy (Kathy Davis at the time) attended Kalani High School on Oahu together which is where they discovered the opportunity to deceive others under the guise of Eastern Religion. Both were from dysfunctional homes, social misfits (Butler was kicked out of Kailua High School), drug users, and unlikely to ever amount to anything. Butler, and perhaps Davis, read about cults and experimented with bending others to his/her will (which is not very difficult when drugs are involved).
So, fast forward nearly 50 years later and both misfits are now sociopaths surrounded by brainwashed followers plus their next generation(s). It is safe to assume that few of these disciples have any real idea how the two gurus gained their alleged divine powers. The fact that their “religion” has been a big scam is easy to see from the outside. I wonder what their classmates at Kalani High School could tell us about these two outcasts. No doubt that anyone who didn’t fall for their scams in High School would think these two are in any way special. They have, however, graduated from stealing lunch money to scamming for big cash to live in oceanfront homes.

I also wish to remind readers that Kathy Hoshijo was Butler’s first “Tulsi Gabbard”. The vigilant media was ready and willing to report Butler’s political agenda at that time. Forty years later, our media just let Butler steal a Federal Election without mentioning one word about Tulsi Gabbard’s ties to the sociopathic, megalomaniacal cult leader.



Butler is by far the bigger fish so I must return to my task of exposing him and his puppet politicians. Here are the most important links for Katyayani for those wishing to dig deeper:

[forum.culteducation.com]
[forum.culteducation.com]
[forum.culteducation.com]
[forum.culteducation.com]


It is unclear if there are any current ties between these two sub cults of Jagad Guru and Katyayani, but there will be a money trail if ties exist. I will now list Katyayani’s children and hope that others will comment on them and whether I should post more including their photos and general whereabouts:

Chintamani Marruffo
Gray O'Connor
Chibbi Davis
Guy O'Connor
Alladin O'Connor (son of Tim O'Connor and his first wife)

Video of Kathy on TV (as Butler’s first Wai Lana):

[www.youtube.com]



Flash

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: dabcult ()
Date: July 14, 2013 02:52AM

Very very good Flash
Why was Butler kick out of high school ?

There is definitively a strong link betwen Hoshiho and Butler
People who have met her recently report that she still call BUTLER Srila Prabhupad
and she would not call him that ...if she did not beleive the crap that BUTLER is "THE GURU OF THE UNIVERS" she was a disciple of AC Bhaktivedanta ....and thats weird to call Butler srila Prabhupad
No disciple of Bhaktivedanta call any other disciple of Bhaktivedanta ...Srila Prabhupad
unless they are viewing him or her as a supreme guru .
Tellyoulies was right to call Kathy ...Butler leading dog or better leading BICTH...
she as a small following of a few dozen followers ....who think that she is a pure devotee
because mainly BUTLER ...anoited her as such ......
so she get a nice little income ...maybee a little royalty from the cookbook
and if any problems arise ....she got a husband that as an arsenal of guns
he had this collection of guns even when he was very close to BUTLER
where he met Kathy on the set of her cooking TV program
Was he one of the enforcer of BUTLER
Is he the one that made multiples death treaths to Shyam Dodge?
The death treaths that Shyam received have stop since his mother went directly to talk with BUTLER
for me that prove that the cult as ...a system of inner communication
did BUTLER knew that theses death treaths where going around ?
The for sure things ....is that his words somehow stop the fanatics from possibly taken actions
FOR NOW ANYWAY ......

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: July 15, 2013 04:28AM

Thank you, dabcult. Chris Butler born in June 1948, so he would have been in the High School class of 1965 or 1966. When I have time I will contact some of his former classmates at Kalani and Kailua. Remember that Chris Butler is currently living in Kailua (Lanikai), so there are probably some folks around who knew him before he perfected his religious scam.

Here are a few more factual details for those who don’t yet believe that Chris Butler is a complete fraud:

The Honolulu Advertiser, August 22, 1977-----
“…His family later moved to Kailua, where Butler got into enough trouble in school that he was booted out of Kailua High School and transferred to Kalani High School, he-says. "I was raised in a humanistic household against churches, a socialist family," Butler says… (Butler's mother says the family is neither materialistic nor Marxist, but Quaker, and that her children went to different churches, like other children on Molokai…

…Butler began meditating in high school, became interested in yoga … took the name "Sai" and set up the Haiku Meditation Center to teach an "impersonalist" yoga philosophy. … He also had experimented with LSD and marijuana and hashish "as an aid to meditation," he said, and found that while "you can understand certain impersonal features of God through acid, you can't know the personality of God." Butler said that while he turned away from drugs, the later jailing in Mexico of one close fellow impersonalist on drug charges stimulated rumors that drugs figured in financing of his group…”


[forum.culteducation.com]

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