I'm sure they did a lot of background checking and found that Chris Butler lives in a mansion in Lanikai. Im sure they found that there was probably a LOT of money donated to various campaigns to get everyone to bow down to Tulsi during the primary election. And Im sure they figured that they can control her better than her guru can, although they have no idea they have a Manchurian Candidate on their hands.

Her little white lies here and there, her falsehoods, her grooming, all set for the big Dem Party stage.

Just remember what happens when you party day and night for too long Tulsi. It all comes crashing down.

And Im hoping its sooner than later.

The sooner we can get national exposure for Tulsi, the sooner we can get these poor kids and families out of this dangerous cult.

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Butler's attorney Ed Kemper argued that the news media in their reports should identify the specific Krishna organization, rather than use the term "Hare Krishna." "Aren't you really trying to control editorial policy?" Fong said. Fong said it would be the same as forcing the 'media to use the term Catholic instead of Christian’. Fong granted requests by the Honolulu Star-Bulletin and KITV for dismissal of the lawsuit.

Judge Fong nailed it. YES! Butler, in his arrogance WAS trying to control editorial policy! He saw absolutely nothing wrong with it because he fancies himself above the law and basic humanity. His followers step over that line as well. So I suppose if there is anything "Manchurian" about Tulsi, it would be an absurd, blind arrogance of a person with feelings of spiritual superiority. Washington is full of them, though not all are of a religious nature. Personally, I think she will just be a pretty Public Relations ornament for Hawaii and the Democratic Party. She will not be able to implement a "Vaishnava World Order". The checks and balances are too formidable. Unless old Siddha has more money and connections than George Soros, which he does not, then there's nothing to worry about as far as controlling our government. IMHO.

If there were ever an Obama/Butler death match, it's easy to see who would win that one! Barak of course.

Yet it is imperative to expose Butler's operations world wide, including how he got several followers into political office BASED SOLELY ON HIS SELF INTEREST, and personal obsession with politics. He's like a father living through the lives of his children because he is too impotent and frightened to do it himself. Classic narcissism. The more followers and potential followers understand this simple fact, the better. He is an ordinary man that does not care about the lives of his followers. He does not care about Tulsi except for what she brings to his recruitment possibilities and what she reflects back on him. That is the real danger Tulsi poses. The group will use her success to recruit others into the cult. That's how I see it, it appears to me, in my opinion, etc., etc,. etc...

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This video is indirectly related to the subjects at hand

Swami Bhaktivedanta .....gave very bad exemples allowing

people he knew where pedophiles to remain in his mouvements

and tiefs like Butler and Gaursundar (who died a few years ago )

butler kept the essentials ....worship and servitude to the guru ........for ever and ever AMEN

And Nice to hear from you VERA ....

And Flash thank you for your dedications and research

I’m happy that these old clippings have added to the credibility of this message board. Many of the “lost” articles serve to confirm what ex-members have been saying all along. Now, anyone researching Chris Butler and Tulsi Gabbard will undoubtedly stumble across this material. Readers cannot help noticing the obvious pattern in Chris Butler’s manipulation of elections while lying to everyone, including his own followers.
Let me respond to a few of the above comments from Vera and Vitamin C: Vera makes a comparison to Lance Armstrong getting away with his deception for so long and also says, “I am sure the Democratic Party has thoroughly investigated her (Tulsi)” and “In politics, it is all about appearances and no one cares about the reality.” Vera is concerned that Tulsi’s success will be used to “recruit others into the cult”. “PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY” is mentioned as the strategy Tulsi Gabbard uses to hide the truth from the public.
Vitamin C predicts a day when “It all comes crashing down.”

My reaction to all these excellent points is to quote Galileo: ““All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.”
Just because a few of the contributors here understand this cult, our work is not complete until we have made it possible for anyone with a brain to gain that same understanding. It is not easy because even Tulsi and her fellow devotees have been kept in the dark and programmed to automatically reject any negative comments about their Jagad Guru. Just as Galileo was imprisoned for stating the obvious fact that the “Earth is round, not flat”, we are shouted down and labeled as liars or demons. That will continue until the evidence is so enormous and undeniable that, to quote, Vitamin C, “it all comes crashing down.”

You might ask why it is taking so long for this evidence to build. The main reason is the total lack of professional journalism amongst the various media companies in Hawaii. After some sincere efforts in the 70’s and 80’s, they have fallen down on the job by not informing the public of important facts and background regarding Chris Butler’s activities. Newspaper reporting of Butler stopped twenty years ago, and magazines like The Honolulu Weekly gave up almost ten years ago. There has been absolutely no reporting of Tulsi Gabbard’s relationship to Science of Identity and Chris Butler.

The great hope for Truth is the Internet, but Butler has employed specialists to manage the search results (see one example below). “”Reputation management” is a recent trend and Tulsi Gabbard’s handlers are hard at work rescuing her reputation as we are busy exposing her serious flaws. Claiming she is a Hindu is a strategy for to “hide” among a billion unsuspecting Indians rather than being exposed as a Hare Krishna-like devotee of Butler.
At the end of the day, Americans demand transparency from their politicians and institutions. Secretive organizations are loathed - and their covers, “blown”. The press and other watchdogs are ultimately held accountable for honest and unbiased information, as they should be. Stay tuned to the Rick Ross Forum for the impending crash.

Here is an example of Tulsi weaving some lies and half-truths into a story and then using SEO techniques to make it appear as grass-roots support. I thought for a moment that the reporter of the following story was going for the truth, but then realized it was all a clever way to blunt criticism without ever facing her accusers.

[www.rediff.com]

Google Tulsi Gabbard Aziz Haniffa
…and look for all the redundant and phony links designed to bury the truth well below versions of this planted story.

Another reason that things will come crashing down is that “Tulsi is all about Tulsi.” She seems incapable of making a statement or issuing a press release that is not totally self-serving. Perhaps it is Butler and his own inadequacies with the need to blow his own horn and appear superior to everyone. Maybe Tulsi just follows orders, if she doesn’t in fact suffer from the same inferiority issues. Read her recent chest thumping statement here:

[www.freerepublic.com]

I’ve seen a couple of people who served with her in the military quoted as saying she disrespects the troops while brown-nosing her superiors (a formula for ultimate failure). Tulsi also has some potentially embarrassing facets of her life including her arranged marriage, sex life, “missionary school”, the poverty of her volunteers, etc. Butler has hundreds of followers here on Oahu and all it takes is one disgruntled person leaving with a backpack in order to publish some damning evidence.

I’ll be posting another “lost article” shortly.
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FLASH ~ Loved the articles and comments regarding Tulsi's inner conflict. This is what puzzles me the most, or rather confirms that Butler is only about being a puppet master and has nothing to do with spirituality or Krishna Yoga Philosophy. Why would Butler promote Tulsi, whose views on women's rights, gay marriage, and abortion are diametrically opposed to the krishna/g0d philosophy Butler preaches? How has she managed to stay in the fold while adhering to a politics that is counter to Gaudiya Vaishnavism? Is Tulsi's story of her change of heart true? Is it sincere? I don't know. What is strange is how she garners so much support from the Science of Identity group? Does anyone have any insights besides the obvious?

You are right about Galileo... people just do not know. Would they care if they knew? I am too cynical to think so, but I have been wrong before. Over time I have come to see that 97% of people will prefer a phony to a person who tells the truth. Galileo learned the hard way, along with Tesla, and others... But if we can reach only 3% of people, it will still be a victory. If we get even one person out of the cult, it's a victory.

So what has become dramatically clear to me with Tulsi's candidacy is further proof that Butler is just another opportunistic, parasitical, hypocritical, PHONY. He has as much to do about spirituality as my toe nail clippings.

I think that is the hardest thing for people to understand - that Chris Butler and the whole "Science of Identity" Bhakti Yoga, Meditation thing that he does, is a business scam and has nothing to do with spirituality.

What has become clear through the length of this entire thread is that it all began with one guy dabbling in the 60's/70's spirituality, experimenting with lifestyles and latching on to the spiritual movements of those days. Once Butler found out that other people were attracted to him and the lifestyle, the monster was born. Chris Butler, Jagat Guru, Siddha, Siddhaswarupananda, whatever the name of the times, he had influence, some people willing to offer him material support and prop up his ego needs.

Over the years we saw it morph into what was acceptable for the times, but the core remained the same. He had some buddies hang on from the original core, such as Johnny Midgett (Balakhilya das), John Moore (Jivan) Paul White, etc and they worked and re-worked the scam, namely: bring people into the ground floor with a spiritual hook and indoctrinate them into believing that they owed Chris Butler as much support as he could wring out of them.

Now, in these cynical and money-oriented times it has become a business venture of convoluted proportions, nothing more than a money-laundering scheme really. All his offshoot businesses are there to convince the bean counters that he has a legitimate source of income, that matches his lifestyle.

The Gabbards were in on it from the early days there is ample proof of that. Tulsi Gabbard can NEVER claim that she had no knowledge of the business. All she can hope is that people cannot connect the dots. Call me a hopeless optimist, but I think that the dots can be connected.

"Follow the money", is a tried and true technique that could unravel this whole rotten business. thousands of people are giving him money on a regular basis. All his house staff, building improvements, business staffing... is slave labour. No payroll there, or if it is, it is phony. Believe it or not, the income tax department does look at situations where the lifestyle does not match the reported income. "charitable status" can be queried. Money comes in regularly from outside the country...this is now open to the Department of Homeland Security purview.

All those devotees who are in the top tier of this organization know the truth. They all gain from it. Look at them, living well without real jobs. They should all be investigated, and can be. Tulsi Gabbard is one of those. I think that is why they don't bother too much with lying and saying whatever it takes, because they really do not have a spiritual core, Bhakti Yoga, Science of Identity, Meditation, whatever you wish to call it --- is just a source of income.

Scamming and fleecing and lying is something Tulsi Gabbard does really well, she has been well trained.

Here I am again with another “lost” article, this one from the pre-Internet year of 1982. Tulsi Gabbard was just a one-year-old way back then (born April 12, 1981) and Chris Butler was 32, Tulsi’s current age by coincidence. But, I’m guessing that Tulsi has never read this story and perhaps she’ll be alarmed that Butler’s old quotes might now be used to expose her i.e. the church-school Identity Institute that she attended in the Philippines. I have transcribed the clippings so terms like “Bhakti yoga”, bandied about by Tulsi Gabbard, will now link her name to Chris Butler. Hopefully some journalist (if there are any in Hawaii) will see the opportunity to quote the facts from this article. I’ll make a few more comments at the bottom of this post.

• Chris Butler: About this Guru Business, Honolulu Star-Bulletin, November 23, 1982
By John Christensen Star-Bulletin writer

The first time Chris Butler a/k/a Siddhaswarupanabda Paramahansa tried to gets his tapes on TV, a TV executive said “The guy looks like a mechanic who just got off work and somebody put flowers over him”. He didn’t like his teeth, either. Butler went into the bathroom and looked into the mirror and thought, “God, what am I gonna do about my teeth?”

What he did was sidestep the TV guy and put together his own show. It’s called “Jagat Guru, Chris Butler,” and it appears on channel 13 at 11:30pm each week night. It also shows in San Diego, San Antonio, and Austin, Tex, and in the Philippines. “Jagat guru” means “world teacher,” and Butler’s got something to say about everything from reincarnation to over-eating, from crime to nervous breakdowns, from flies to God. Draped and leis and cosmic seriousness, surrounded by bucolic beauty, he delivers stemwinders in the compressed sing-song characteristic of eastern gurus and holy men.
Viewers roaming the dial one night early this month would have found him cross-legged in front of a wide tree saying, “Flies and maggots in stool may think they are happy, but they are in hell.” They would have heard reflections on sensuality, on transcending “the wheel of birth and death” and a funky show-ending chant that goes “Gopala Govinda Rama/Madana Mohana.”
This is not the kind of stuff that got Oral Roberts a university named after him, but it seems to have an audience. Marilyn Thompson, the promotions director at Channel 13, says the station has received numerous calls about the show “and most of them want to talk to him or meet him. I’d like to meet him myself.” Butler estimates his audience at “about four or five thousand.” The response surprises him. Jokingly, he suggests “Maybe it’s because I’m on every night, like Johnny Carson.”

Butler is no stranger to Hawaii. He is the son of Dr. and Mrs. Willis Butler of Kailua, a couple long known for civic activism. Butler grew up an atheist with a legacy of left-wing politics, graduated from Kalani High School and attended the University of Hawaii “until I ran out of interesting courses.” He has been in the news since 1970 when he went by the name Sai Young and ministered to a devoted band of yoga devotees. A stint in India followed, during which he apprenticed himself to a holy man named Shiva Bhaktivendanta Swami. He returned a guru with a handful of catchy names, including Siddhaswarupanabda Paramahansa, Goswami, Maharaj and Siddha.

A few years ago, he fired a volley of lawsuits at the media for linking his followers with the Hare Krishnas, a group with which he says he has major philosophical differences. Three of them were dismissed and Butler dropped the fourth. He is also the guru of Wayne Nishiki, the outspoken Maui County Councilman and Rick Reed, right-hand man to city prosecutor Charles Marsland. Reed does the voice-overs on Butler’s TV show.

Butler was interviewed recently at the home of disciples in Kaimuki. He is trim, engaging, articulate, and has a well-developed sense of humor. He enjoys a good laugh. Asked where his headquarters are, he jokes, “Pan Am”. He also is furtive and can be reached only through intermediaries. He calls it “realistic behavior.” As holy men who have trained in India go, he is easier to understand than most. This, remember, is a line of work which often translates as mixed metaphors, impossibly florid allusions and senseless prattle. Butler tends to be overly expansive, but not even gurus are perfect.
Also there are the stylistic touches that might make westerners blanch. For example, Butler’s followers touch their heads to the floor when they enter or leave a room he occupies. “That is how we pay our respects to our spiritual teacher.” Butler says. “I bow to a picture of my spiritual master. We are not ashamed to be a servant. We are not ashamed to be low. It is not a weakness to bow or be humble. Humility is a virtue.”
Butler follows a philosophy that he calls “Bhakti yoga.” Although grounded in the Vedas, four Hindu holy books, Butler says, “It does not conflict with Christianity, with Islam, with any bona fide religious system. We’re trying to teach the essence of Bhakti yoga without having anyone say ‘Oh, that’s Hindu’ or “Oh, that’s Christian.’”

In a publicity handout, Butler is identified as the “foremost authority on the question of identity.” Asked about it, Butler contorts his brow in his best meditative frown and launches into a lengthy explanation. The thrust of it is that humans are essentially “spirit soul or life force,” not matter; that the soul is dominated by, but not part of God; and that “Real religion… is loving service to God.”
As for being the “foremost authority,” Butler chuckles and says, “I don’t know that many people who are teaching these three points clearly and absolutely.” He’s certainly got a head start on Johnny Carson.
Later on, he adds “I’m not telling people to join a monastery and leave the world behind. I’m telling them to get into the world and serve God according to the best of their ability and…
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…position." At 32, Butler is significantly younger than most gurus. Asked about it, he furrows his brow and swings into guru sing-song, saying, "The body is young; I not young. We are all the same age. We are all eternal.” Teaching is the duty of every disciple, and the disciples in turn should have disciples. Accordingly, he has "about 1,000" disciples of his own, and figures he has a few thousand other followers and devotees. Initiates, he says, agree to be vegetarian, and not to gamble, smoke, drink alcohol, take drugs or have “illicit sex.”

They also contribute to what Butler calls his "teaching apparatus"--- the Science of Identity Institute and Identity Foundation. The former is a tax-exempt educational outfit; the latter a tax exempt religious organization.
In contrast to the swami in Oregon who has 21 Rolls-Royces, Butler says his "apparatus" a low-buck operation. The institute runs church-school type operations in leased buildings in Los Angeles, the Philippines, Peru, Australia and New Zealand. The foundation put up the "seed money" for the TV show, getting a one-year agreement for $1,000 a week. "We've been saving about three years for this," he says, "but we're going to start asking for donations. We want to make sure there are enough people watching to justify the program."

Butler criticizes groups similar to his for what he calls ”over-endeavoring. They have to keep what they've got afloat. They’re top heavy. They have to perpetuate their own existence rather than pursuing the original purpose, which was to find a vehicle for an idea. If the Science of Identity put $200,000 into land or buildings, it would be safer and tangible. You buy TV time and it’s gone, but I’m making that choice. I’m a little paranoid about buildings and temples. I don’t want people to think that God is only in that building; I want to spray the message, not contract it.”

The “apparatus” also holds the rights to the books and pamphlets he writes (example: “Dear Friend: You Are Not God”), the songs he writes, sings and records (example: "Dear Fanatic: Take It Easy.”) and the videotapes which were the forerunners of his TV show. He likes TV because it requires "less commitment." “A lot of people would like to hear what I'm teaching, but are not about to join something. I'm not about to take your money. You can listen to what I’m saying and apply it in your life." And, he adds, “Nobody knows you’re watching. Different people who not agree with me, or who might like me, can watch and nobody knows." He also likes it because there is no mediary. "It's just me speaking," he says. That, of course, does not mean that everybody likes what they're hearing. He says one TV station turned down his show because "it was not good for family viewing. Here I am a spiritual teacher he didn't think it was good for family viewing.” He ponders that for a moment and adds “I guess it’s because I speak very heavy and directly on very heavy subjects like old age and death and sex and communism and capitalism and war and things most people maybe don’t like to think about.”
For Christmas, he says he’s pondering a lecture entitle “Gift Wrapped Emptiness.” He chuckles and says, “I just want to ruin everybody’s Christmas.” He adds “Basically I’ve always been a trouble-maker and I still am and probably will always be, you know?”
END


“Guru business” was an excellent headline since this whole Butler scam had nothing to do with religion but everything to do with generating money to support the Guru. Money from contributors was used to buy TV time that no one watches. Like the fable “The Emperor’s New Clothes”, followers wouldn't tell Butler that his TV show sucks.
Have you noticed that every pre-Internet article about Chris Butler treats him with suspicion, disdain, and bewilderment? It seems Butler never did a single thing worthy of praise i.e. donate to a hospital, organize a charity drive, clean up a beach, or create a scholarship. Butler is all about Butler and those old school journalists figured that out. The reporters love to quote him directly when he spouts incoherent nonsense (this reporter calls it senseless prattle). If Butler knew anything about PR, he might not have become so paranoid and antagonistic towards the Press.
Chris Butler comes across as an uneducated opportunist. I have my doubts that he spent any time in college in spite of his boast that he attended the University of Hawaii “until (he) ran out of interesting courses.” Let me end this with a good laugh by having you listen to Chris Butler singing “Dear Fanatic”, (mentioned above) stealing the style of Arlo Guthrie. Jagad Guru, the egotist, spent his devotee’s money to produce that crap. That is reason enough to quit the cult, isn’t it? Mike Gabbard probably played this for baby Tulsi in her cradle.
"Dear Fanatic, Take it Easy" by JagadGuru Siddhaswarupananda
[www.youtube.com]

That’s enough of my cynicism. I’d love to get your reaction to the clippings, so please speak up.
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All my videos on Butler put together have now about 14,000 views ........with my first one going over 3000 views n the last few days
some people are taking notice

and I am thinking of many mores .

If some of you forum would like to come and ring the bell at Butler home ...for some futur videos ...let me know


At least now with this forum and videos ...prospects slaves for Butler have something to consider

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Hopefully some journalist (if there are any in Hawaii) will see the opportunity to quote the facts from this article.

Been wondering the same thing ... Are there any real journalists left in Hawaii?

Love this writer John Christensen. Here are my favorite quotes. Absolute gems. I had to laugh and scream at the same time, especially hearing the nauseating Dear Fanatic one more time! The guy takes himself so seriously! "Cosmic seriousness" indeed! This article is priceless. Couple this with the internal memos of him screaming for his mangoes!

• ...a TV executive said “The guy looks like a mechanic who just got off work and somebody put flowers over him”.
• Draped with leis and cosmic seriousness, surrounded by bucolic beauty, he delivers stemwinders in the compressed sing-song characteristic of eastern gurus and holy men.
• ...a guru with a handful of catchy names, including Siddhaswarupanabda Paramahansa, Goswami, Maharaj and Siddha.
• As holy men who have trained in India go, he is easier to understand than most. This, remember, is a line of work which often translates as mixed metaphors, impossibly florid allusions and senseless prattle. Butler tends to be overly expansive...
• Butler’s followers touch their heads to the floor when they enter or leave a room he occupies. “That is how we pay our respects to our spiritual teacher.” Butler says. “I bow to a picture of my spiritual master. We are not ashamed to be a servant. We are not ashamed to be low. It is not a weakness to bow or be humble. Humility is a virtue.” [[i]ha ha ha ha .... laughing all the way to the bank![/i]]
• In a publicity handout, Butler is identified as the “foremost authority on the question of identity.” Asked about it, Butler contorts his brow in his best meditative frown and launches into a lengthy explanation... As for being the “foremost authority,” Butler chuckles and says, “I don’t know that many people who are teaching these three points clearly and absolutely.” [[i]No, it's the classic con clearly and absolutely.[/i]]
• Butler criticizes groups similar to his for what he calls ”over-endeavoring. They have to keep what they've got afloat. They’re top heavy. They have to perpetuate their own existence rather than pursuing the original purpose, which was to find a vehicle for an idea. If the Science of Identity put $200,000 into land or buildings, it would be safer and tangible. You buy TV time and it’s gone, but I’m making that choice. I’m a little paranoid about buildings and temples. I don’t want people to think that God is only in that building; I want to spray the message, not contract it.”
• there is no mediary. "It's just me speaking," he says.
• For Christmas, he says he’s pondering a lecture entitle “Gift Wrapped Emptiness.” He chuckles and says, “I just want to ruin everybody’s Christmas.” He adds “Basically I’ve always been a trouble-maker and I still am and probably will always be, you know?”


At the time of this article Butler was still trying to promote himself with his "tee vee" show, so was open to an interview. By the way, they could not get Jagad Guru Speaks on any regular network. It was shown on free public access television outlets. I don't think they exist as much as they did back then if at all. They had a telephone number you could call for more info at the end of the show. They were really dumb and not very popular. Like his album, he failed to get massively popular. All promoted and paid for by donations and slave labor. Over time he has became more and more reclusive and insular. His message is on automatic via the internet where his aging visage remains youthful. A sticky trap that filters prospective recruits. And the money from his businesses comes rolling in, because, as we all know, if it doesn't his followers face the threat of spiritual death for not taking care of their master in the style he has become accustomed.... He's got to "keep what they've got afloat"...

... in my opinion, it appears to be, looks like it to me... ~ V

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Let me end this with a good laugh by having you listen to Chris Butler singing “Dear Fanatic”, (mentioned above) stealing the style of Arlo Guthrie. Jagad Guru, the egotist, spent his devotee’s money to produce that crap. That is reason enough to quit the cult, isn’t it? Mike Gabbard probably played this for baby Tulsi in her cradle.
"Dear Fanatic, Take it Easy" by JagadGuru Siddhaswarupananda
[www.youtube.com]

That’s enough of my cynicism. I’d love to get your reaction to the clippings, so please speak up.
Flash