Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by:
flashlight_on_roaches
()
Date: November 15, 2012 11:00AM
The “SS Chris Butler” has so many leaks it is in danger of sinking. I guess those who swore a lifetime of devotion to Jagad Guru – well, not so much. Maybe it was a “pinky swear”. It doesn’t help that Tulsi Gabbard is shooting holes in his boat while she attempts to reinvent herself as a quasi-Hindu, quasi-Christian. Surely, some of Butler’s followers must interpret this as open season to take their own shots at him.
One follower just took a shot by “outing” Alana Penaroza who works for Tulsi Gabbard. Hey Tulsi, when you are trying desperately to be your own person and distance yourself from the cult, why do you then hire someone who’s prior job was working for Queen Bee “Wai Lana” (wife of Chris Butler)? Couldn’t you find someone more qualified to assist a Congresswoman than this 28 year old cult member?
Wait, it gets better. Alana Leigh Azzopardi and Kainoa Ramananda Penaroza were married in Hawaii, July 2009 (more about the Penaroza cult connections in a moment). The newly-wed couple claim to have just purchased a $1.5 million Kailua home in 2011 when it was in fact purchased by Joseph Bismark, who also owns Chris Butler’s residence and the parent company of Down to Earth. Bismark, who lives offshore, is publicly linked to Science of Identity Foundation and was once arrested on charges of operating a pyramid scheme. Much of the Tulsi’s campaign money was allegedly funneled through Bismark upon the orders of Chris Butler. Tulsi must certainly know that her assistant, Alana, cannot afford a $1.5 million home.
More about the Penaroza clan. In the 1976 Congressional race, the Chris Butler "Independents for Godly Government" candidate was Bill Penaroza from Kauai, the father of Kainoa Penaroza. Bill ran on a right-wing homophobic platform and lost badly, performing even worse than homeless candidate Kawika Crowley than did against Tulsi Gabbard. Bill Penaroza was the editor/reporter of the Chris Butler Garden Isle Newspaper (a twin to the Maui Valley Isle edited by Rick Reed).
Bill Penaroza owned markets that later became Down to Earth stores. These were most likely turned over to Jagad Guru Chris Butler or one of his enterprises as "devotional offerings." Bill was then divorced from his wife, Barbara Penaroza, and he allegedly left the cult.
Barbara, originally from Dallas, Texas, has three daughters and two sons, five grandchildren – all vegetarians and cult members. Cult members Eric Guggenheim and Kalindi Titcomb also live with Barbara in Kailua. Not only is the “Noni Connection” strong, but Tulsi’s staff member is “wired’ to Chris Butler and his Science of Identity Foundation.
Kainoa Penaroza and his sister (Kalindi Titcomb?)
Nimai Titcomb, wife, and cult kids
More Titcombs
... and, Alana's new inlaw lady friends. One big happy family
Everything Tulsi Gabbard says or does will be communicated right back to Chris-Butler-Central in Lanikai. Is that the real reason that Alana was hired?
[www.linkedin.com]
Kainoa Ramananda Penaroza - Sales Manager at Puna Noni Inc. Kailua, HI
[www.khon2.com]
"it just goes to show how she is somebody that I think is a new voice for our generation for hawaii," said Kainoa Penaroza, one of (Tulsi) Gabbard's supporters. Only two other supporters were quoted in the article, Carol and Mike Gabbard, so I guess that makes Penaroza “family”.
[archives.starbulletin.com]
Kainoa Ramananda Penaroza and Alana Leigh Azzopardi married in July 2009
Alana Azzopardi
Senior Sales Associate
Wai Lana Productions, LLC
Malibu, CA
[www.virtualpressoffice.com]
Web Site: www.wailana.com
[www.expression808.com]
We have seen our islands take a wide turn in favor of equality for all. Tulsi Gabbard won the Democratic primary for US House of representatives, and she did it with a platform that includes women’s procreative rights and LGBT rights. Her stance concerning the Gay community has taken a 180 from the days when she was a staunch supporter of her father Mike Gabbard, quite possibly the most ardent homophobe in recent Hawaiian history.
Has her stance really changed since she remains so very, very close to these homophobes?
One follower just took a shot by “outing” Alana Penaroza who works for Tulsi Gabbard. Hey Tulsi, when you are trying desperately to be your own person and distance yourself from the cult, why do you then hire someone who’s prior job was working for Queen Bee “Wai Lana” (wife of Chris Butler)? Couldn’t you find someone more qualified to assist a Congresswoman than this 28 year old cult member?
Wait, it gets better. Alana Leigh Azzopardi and Kainoa Ramananda Penaroza were married in Hawaii, July 2009 (more about the Penaroza cult connections in a moment). The newly-wed couple claim to have just purchased a $1.5 million Kailua home in 2011 when it was in fact purchased by Joseph Bismark, who also owns Chris Butler’s residence and the parent company of Down to Earth. Bismark, who lives offshore, is publicly linked to Science of Identity Foundation and was once arrested on charges of operating a pyramid scheme. Much of the Tulsi’s campaign money was allegedly funneled through Bismark upon the orders of Chris Butler. Tulsi must certainly know that her assistant, Alana, cannot afford a $1.5 million home.
More about the Penaroza clan. In the 1976 Congressional race, the Chris Butler "Independents for Godly Government" candidate was Bill Penaroza from Kauai, the father of Kainoa Penaroza. Bill ran on a right-wing homophobic platform and lost badly, performing even worse than homeless candidate Kawika Crowley than did against Tulsi Gabbard. Bill Penaroza was the editor/reporter of the Chris Butler Garden Isle Newspaper (a twin to the Maui Valley Isle edited by Rick Reed).
Bill Penaroza owned markets that later became Down to Earth stores. These were most likely turned over to Jagad Guru Chris Butler or one of his enterprises as "devotional offerings." Bill was then divorced from his wife, Barbara Penaroza, and he allegedly left the cult.
Barbara, originally from Dallas, Texas, has three daughters and two sons, five grandchildren – all vegetarians and cult members. Cult members Eric Guggenheim and Kalindi Titcomb also live with Barbara in Kailua. Not only is the “Noni Connection” strong, but Tulsi’s staff member is “wired’ to Chris Butler and his Science of Identity Foundation.
Kainoa Penaroza and his sister (Kalindi Titcomb?)
Nimai Titcomb, wife, and cult kids
More Titcombs
... and, Alana's new inlaw lady friends. One big happy family
Everything Tulsi Gabbard says or does will be communicated right back to Chris-Butler-Central in Lanikai. Is that the real reason that Alana was hired?
[www.linkedin.com]
Kainoa Ramananda Penaroza - Sales Manager at Puna Noni Inc. Kailua, HI
[www.khon2.com]
"it just goes to show how she is somebody that I think is a new voice for our generation for hawaii," said Kainoa Penaroza, one of (Tulsi) Gabbard's supporters. Only two other supporters were quoted in the article, Carol and Mike Gabbard, so I guess that makes Penaroza “family”.
[archives.starbulletin.com]
Kainoa Ramananda Penaroza and Alana Leigh Azzopardi married in July 2009
Alana Azzopardi
Senior Sales Associate
Wai Lana Productions, LLC
Malibu, CA
[www.virtualpressoffice.com]
Web Site: www.wailana.com
[www.expression808.com]
We have seen our islands take a wide turn in favor of equality for all. Tulsi Gabbard won the Democratic primary for US House of representatives, and she did it with a platform that includes women’s procreative rights and LGBT rights. Her stance concerning the Gay community has taken a 180 from the days when she was a staunch supporter of her father Mike Gabbard, quite possibly the most ardent homophobe in recent Hawaiian history.
Has her stance really changed since she remains so very, very close to these homophobes?
Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by:
privateye
()
Date: November 15, 2012 09:30PM
[backtogodhead.in]
The above article posted in the comments of the Huffington Post shows concrete evidence of Chris Butlers early connection to the Hare Krishna's.
The above article posted in the comments of the Huffington Post shows concrete evidence of Chris Butlers early connection to the Hare Krishna's.
Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by:
privateye
()
Date: November 15, 2012 09:33PM
[backtogodhead.in]
Evidence of Chris Butlers views on politicians and his early connection with the Hare Krishna's.
Evidence of Chris Butlers views on politicians and his early connection with the Hare Krishna's.
Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by:
flashlight_on_roaches
()
Date: November 15, 2012 11:55PM
It might not be obvious to the reader that the 1976 article in backtogodhead was written by Chris Butler himself, who called himself Siddha Swarup Ananda Goswami (celibate, unmarried monk).Quote
privateye
http://backtogodhead.in/whats-wrong-with-our-politicians-by-his-holiness-siddhasvarupa-ananda-gosvami/
The above article posted in the comments of the Huffington Post shows concrete evidence of Chris Butlers early connection to the Hare Krishna's.
...Evidence of Chris Butlers views on politicians and his early connection with the Hare Krishna's.
See more details here of what Vera City wrote in 2008:
[forum.culteducation.com]
A few excerpts pasted below:
“What follows is the original Dear Fanatic "interview" first published in the "Valley Isle" newspaper. The Valley Isle was a feature newspaper published on Maui. Rick Reed was the "editor in chief", but CB approved of all of the material. The only thing he wrote was his own interviews….
…The papers folded mid ‘70’s so that CB could concentrate on becoming a political puppet master and Godfather in his own kingdom. During this time, followers were instructed to look and act as "normal" and "local" as possible and shed ISKCON looks and mannerisms, as well as the hippie culture. People groomed up. He wanted his local businesses; health food store, farmer's markets, gas station (yes, he had a gas station on Maui), gift store to become a part of the local community…
…To set up the article, CB claims he was suing Hawaii media outlets for lumping him in with ISKCON. I'm not sure if a lawsuit was ever filed in reality or not --- or if it was just one of CB's many manipulative strategies. He always loved the merry prankster role. Remember, he wrote the whole interview, questions and answers….”
“Note- The Dear Fanatic article was written prior to CB taking on the "Jagad Guru" title and appointing himself acharya of the whole world. (cough...ack..ack...)
He is called Siddha Swarup Ananda Goswami (celibate, unmarried monk) or Siddha Swarup. Most of the followers during this time simply called him "Siddha".
Cult leaders seem to have a thing about changing their names.... “
Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by:
VitaminC
()
Date: November 16, 2012 01:10PM
It seems people dont have a problem with a cult follower being elected to office, saying that she is free to follow her religion.
I wonder if this would be true if she was a follower of David Koresh?
I wonder if this would be true if she was a follower of David Koresh?
Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by:
dabcult
()
Date: November 16, 2012 03:55PM
Thank you to all of you that are taking the time and energy to keep outing this meglomeniac ....
The swearing in on the Bhagavad Gita is making many Hindus so pround.
There is about 400 translations of the Bhagavad Gita in english .....with as many interpretations
for some the text is a complete fabrication...like a novel
with Krishna representing the higher Self and Arjuna the lower Self
But the Hare Krishna mouvement and the Butler cult .....beleive that Krishna is an historical person that came on earth 5000 years ago
had 16,000 wifes ...108 girlfriends ...never look a day older that 16 years old
an encourage Arjuna to fight ...and kill .....maybe hundreds of thousands ...maybe more
They beleive he reside for ever on a "spiritual planet " Krishna LOKA
Forget about Jesus and the HOLY TRINITY...........BLUE GOD Krishna is the ultimate and original manifestation of Godhead ....says ISKCON and BUTLER to and Butlerites believe that if they fallow Butler ....they will go to that planet after they leave the body .
A 100 years ago when a new congress person would swear on the bible .....every participants knew the contant of the bible and the central
personality of that bible Jesus the Christ .
What is the value of someone swearing on a weird book like the Bhagavad gita (that 99% of the other congressmans and women have no idea of what the content is about )?
What is the mind set of someone who swear on a book where Krishna says "KILL THEM ALL"
and if you do not kill them ......YOUR REPUTATION WILL BE RUIN ....
can the assembly of congress trust a person that will swear on such a book ?
What is next ..if a muslim is elected the KORAN will be use (who says kill all the infidels...Mohamed personally from is own hand kill hundreds....
Its clear Butler and Tulsi want to make the Hindu pround of their religion ...and bring them to her corner
Even as she is now ....PRO CHOICE >>>PRO GAY >>>Hindus have already sent me hate emails after looking at my videos
they do not want their buble busted .......
The swearing in on the Bhagavad Gita is making many Hindus so pround.
There is about 400 translations of the Bhagavad Gita in english .....with as many interpretations
for some the text is a complete fabrication...like a novel
with Krishna representing the higher Self and Arjuna the lower Self
But the Hare Krishna mouvement and the Butler cult .....beleive that Krishna is an historical person that came on earth 5000 years ago
had 16,000 wifes ...108 girlfriends ...never look a day older that 16 years old
an encourage Arjuna to fight ...and kill .....maybe hundreds of thousands ...maybe more
They beleive he reside for ever on a "spiritual planet " Krishna LOKA
Forget about Jesus and the HOLY TRINITY...........BLUE GOD Krishna is the ultimate and original manifestation of Godhead ....says ISKCON and BUTLER to and Butlerites believe that if they fallow Butler ....they will go to that planet after they leave the body .
A 100 years ago when a new congress person would swear on the bible .....every participants knew the contant of the bible and the central
personality of that bible Jesus the Christ .
What is the value of someone swearing on a weird book like the Bhagavad gita (that 99% of the other congressmans and women have no idea of what the content is about )?
What is the mind set of someone who swear on a book where Krishna says "KILL THEM ALL"
and if you do not kill them ......YOUR REPUTATION WILL BE RUIN ....
can the assembly of congress trust a person that will swear on such a book ?
What is next ..if a muslim is elected the KORAN will be use (who says kill all the infidels...Mohamed personally from is own hand kill hundreds....
Its clear Butler and Tulsi want to make the Hindu pround of their religion ...and bring them to her corner
Even as she is now ....PRO CHOICE >>>PRO GAY >>>Hindus have already sent me hate emails after looking at my videos
they do not want their buble busted .......
Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by:
flashlight_on_roaches
()
Date: November 18, 2012 10:21AM
I’ve had some interesting reaction to my recent posting regarding Alana Penaroza. She is on the staff of Tulsi Gabbard and married to Kainoa Penaroza, also known as “Rama” within the Chris Butler cult. Rama is “family” to Tulsi, about the same age, and they grey up to together - brainwashed by Jagad Guru.
Search engines can be tricky. If I hadn’t been sent the “Rama” keyword by a Butler insider, I never would have found these two photos of the Penaroza couple:
Alana Leigh (Azzopardi) Penaroza and Kainoa Penaroza
Another shot of the brainwashed couple. Have you noticed how many of the cult members give the Hawaiian “Shaka” sign in their photos?
In a few days, searches for Alana Penaroza will show these images and expose the fact that she is a member of a destructive cult. Searchers will learn that Alana and Rama only pretend to own a $1.5 million Kailua home, for it is really owned by Joseph Bismark who was once arrested for running a “Pyramid Scheme” related to Science of Identity. Bismark also owns Chris Butler’s Lanikai residence and the Down to Earth chain of health food stores.
Does Tulsi Gabbard really intend to recruit her Congressional staff from within the Science of Identity cult? How can she possibly be representing the people of Hawaii when she’s so obviously still taking orders from her master, Chris Butler?
Our local media didn’t always shy away from reporting the strange antics of this cult and its insane leader. I found this curious Polish Wikipedia page with a list of articles that I’ve never discovered on-line. Any tips on finding these articles would be sincerely appreciated.
Flash
[pl.wikipedia.org]
• Absolute power over devotees…one man rules Haiku Krishnaites; The Honolulu Advertiser, July 28, 1970
• Sai Young Returns as ‘Just Another’ Krishna Devotee, Honolulu Star-Bulletin, December 10, 1970
• IGG party trying to recruit outside Krishna groups, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 10, 1977
• The secret spiritual base of a new political force, Hawaii’s ‘Other’ Krishna’s – Part I, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 21, 1977
• Krishna principles adapted— The party line: ‘Thou shalt not…’, Hawaii’s ‘Other’ Krishna’s – Part I, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 21, 1977
• IGG’s 32 big donors: giving and chanting, Hawaii’s ‘Other’ Krishna’s – Part I, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 21, 1977
• Link acknowledged—finally, Hawaii’s ‘Other’ Krishna’s – Part I, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 21, 1977
• Rebel against power trips: Chris Butler, maverick with 1,000 followers, Hawaii’s Other Krishna’s – Part II, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 22, 1977
• Laid philosophical basis: Religious leader’s role in politics played down, Hawaii’s Other Krishna’s – Part II, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 22, 1977
• Down to Earth and its volunteers: No begging – but lots of business, Hawaii’s ‘Other’ Krishna’s – Part III, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 23, 1977
• Close ties with IGG found at 2 papers, Hawaii’s ‘Other’ Krishna’s – Part III, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 23, 1977
• Guru describes his ‘goal of life’, Hawaii’s ‘Other’ Krishna’s – Part III, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 23, 1977
• ‘Smear attempt,’ says Hoshijo, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 23, 1977
• Life in peril, Hoshijo thinks, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 24, 1977
• Editorial: Our ‘Krishna’ series, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 25, 1977
• Siddha Decries Recent Tales of Krishna’s ‘Lawbreaking’,Honolulu Star-Bulletin, December 17, 1977
• Guru blames media for image of Krishnas The Honolulu Advertiser, December 24, 1977
• Teacher of Krishna Yoga sues media for $6 million, The Honolulu Advertiser, January 5, 1978
• Part of Hare Krishna libel suit thrown out, The Honolulu Advertiser, June 1 1978
• Chris Butler: About this Guru Business, Honolulu Star-Bulletin, November 23, 1982
• Reed Denies a Claim That He Told Adviser About State’s Report, Honolulu Star-Bulletin, October 30, 1986
• Reed’s Guru Denies Ever Discussing Heftel Smear, Honolulu Star-Bulletin, October 31, 1986
• Groups criticize gay lifestyle: ‘Not something to be proud of’, The Honolulu Advertiser, June 26, 1991
• GETTING IT STRAIGHT (CORRECTIONS, The Honolulu Advertiser, July 1, 1991
• Tape-maker knew Reed’s former allies: Honolulu Star-Bulletin, August 22, 1992
Search engines can be tricky. If I hadn’t been sent the “Rama” keyword by a Butler insider, I never would have found these two photos of the Penaroza couple:
Alana Leigh (Azzopardi) Penaroza and Kainoa Penaroza
Another shot of the brainwashed couple. Have you noticed how many of the cult members give the Hawaiian “Shaka” sign in their photos?
In a few days, searches for Alana Penaroza will show these images and expose the fact that she is a member of a destructive cult. Searchers will learn that Alana and Rama only pretend to own a $1.5 million Kailua home, for it is really owned by Joseph Bismark who was once arrested for running a “Pyramid Scheme” related to Science of Identity. Bismark also owns Chris Butler’s Lanikai residence and the Down to Earth chain of health food stores.
Does Tulsi Gabbard really intend to recruit her Congressional staff from within the Science of Identity cult? How can she possibly be representing the people of Hawaii when she’s so obviously still taking orders from her master, Chris Butler?
Our local media didn’t always shy away from reporting the strange antics of this cult and its insane leader. I found this curious Polish Wikipedia page with a list of articles that I’ve never discovered on-line. Any tips on finding these articles would be sincerely appreciated.
Flash
[pl.wikipedia.org]
• Absolute power over devotees…one man rules Haiku Krishnaites; The Honolulu Advertiser, July 28, 1970
• Sai Young Returns as ‘Just Another’ Krishna Devotee, Honolulu Star-Bulletin, December 10, 1970
• IGG party trying to recruit outside Krishna groups, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 10, 1977
• The secret spiritual base of a new political force, Hawaii’s ‘Other’ Krishna’s – Part I, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 21, 1977
• Krishna principles adapted— The party line: ‘Thou shalt not…’, Hawaii’s ‘Other’ Krishna’s – Part I, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 21, 1977
• IGG’s 32 big donors: giving and chanting, Hawaii’s ‘Other’ Krishna’s – Part I, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 21, 1977
• Link acknowledged—finally, Hawaii’s ‘Other’ Krishna’s – Part I, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 21, 1977
• Rebel against power trips: Chris Butler, maverick with 1,000 followers, Hawaii’s Other Krishna’s – Part II, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 22, 1977
• Laid philosophical basis: Religious leader’s role in politics played down, Hawaii’s Other Krishna’s – Part II, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 22, 1977
• Down to Earth and its volunteers: No begging – but lots of business, Hawaii’s ‘Other’ Krishna’s – Part III, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 23, 1977
• Close ties with IGG found at 2 papers, Hawaii’s ‘Other’ Krishna’s – Part III, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 23, 1977
• Guru describes his ‘goal of life’, Hawaii’s ‘Other’ Krishna’s – Part III, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 23, 1977
• ‘Smear attempt,’ says Hoshijo, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 23, 1977
• Life in peril, Hoshijo thinks, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 24, 1977
• Editorial: Our ‘Krishna’ series, The Honolulu Advertiser, August 25, 1977
• Siddha Decries Recent Tales of Krishna’s ‘Lawbreaking’,Honolulu Star-Bulletin, December 17, 1977
• Guru blames media for image of Krishnas The Honolulu Advertiser, December 24, 1977
• Teacher of Krishna Yoga sues media for $6 million, The Honolulu Advertiser, January 5, 1978
• Part of Hare Krishna libel suit thrown out, The Honolulu Advertiser, June 1 1978
• Chris Butler: About this Guru Business, Honolulu Star-Bulletin, November 23, 1982
• Reed Denies a Claim That He Told Adviser About State’s Report, Honolulu Star-Bulletin, October 30, 1986
• Reed’s Guru Denies Ever Discussing Heftel Smear, Honolulu Star-Bulletin, October 31, 1986
• Groups criticize gay lifestyle: ‘Not something to be proud of’, The Honolulu Advertiser, June 26, 1991
• GETTING IT STRAIGHT (CORRECTIONS, The Honolulu Advertiser, July 1, 1991
• Tape-maker knew Reed’s former allies: Honolulu Star-Bulletin, August 22, 1992
Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by:
VitaminC
()
Date: November 18, 2012 03:45PM
You can run Flash's page through translate.google.com to get a translation from Polish to English to read the page.
Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by:
flashlight_on_roaches
()
Date: November 19, 2012 04:58AM
[abcnews.go.com]
Jim Jones Exerted 'Total Mind Control'
This video shows the harsh reality of destructive cults and is a sober reminder at this moment of the anniverary of the Jonestown massacre.
Jim Jones Exerted 'Total Mind Control'
This video shows the harsh reality of destructive cults and is a sober reminder at this moment of the anniverary of the Jonestown massacre.
Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by:
VitaminC
()
Date: November 19, 2012 05:26PM
Reading the article, especially page 2 reminds me quite a bit of the Chris Butler Cult.
"The church did many good deeds, but followers were never allowed to criticize Jones or talk to others outside the group. They signed contracts vowing their allegiance.
"It was a cult, total mind control," said Wilson, who, as a teen, traveled the country recruiting members. "The church would humiliate you and take away any ego you had. Everything centered on the cause." - Rebecca Moore, a professor of religious studies at San Diego State University
Not criticizing Jones (the guru) or talking to others outside of the group (karmies). Signing vows of allegiance (taking initiation). Humiliate and take away any ego you had. Everything centered on the cause (the guru).
Yeah, sounds real familiar.
"The church did many good deeds, but followers were never allowed to criticize Jones or talk to others outside the group. They signed contracts vowing their allegiance.
"It was a cult, total mind control," said Wilson, who, as a teen, traveled the country recruiting members. "The church would humiliate you and take away any ego you had. Everything centered on the cause." - Rebecca Moore, a professor of religious studies at San Diego State University
Not criticizing Jones (the guru) or talking to others outside of the group (karmies). Signing vows of allegiance (taking initiation). Humiliate and take away any ego you had. Everything centered on the cause (the guru).
Yeah, sounds real familiar.
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