Dabcult:

I love your video with the interview of Kawika Crowley. It is long, so I haven't watched it all yet. I am recommending this video to friends.

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Dabcult
TULSI the democrat should have at least the compassion to debate him.

There is really no good reason for Tulsi Gabbard to debate Kawika Crowley. He has very, very little chance of winning this election. Tulsi is way ahead of him in the polls.

Kawika Crowley is almost a joke candidate.

It is probably better for Kawika that he NOT debate Tulsi Gabbard. He probably would not do well, he'd make the Republicans look even more ridiculous and he would probably lower the number of votes for himself.

In today's (Sunday, 10/21/12) Honolulu Star-Advertiser there is an article that says that Tulsi Gabbard loaned her campaign a total of $98,000 " in the days leading up to the August primary."

See Gabbard fronted campaign $98,000 just before victory

You may have to register for a free Honolulu Star-Advertiser account before you can see the full article online.

This seems interesting to me. Suspicious, also.

Thank you so much flashlight .....
Kawika is totally funny ...no money ...living in his van ...a broken arm ...and he still make jokes about his situation.

Many would just get PROSAC ...but this guy keep going and going ....even when its the wrong directions like being for people to smoke in bars

He is very humane ...and a good actor and comedian (no scrip whatsohever)

THE CULT SHOULD GIVE HIM 3 SQUARE MEALS A DAY .MINIMUM ....JESUS THEY COULD NOT FIND A MORE DESPERATE CANDIDATE TO CONFRONT TULASI .....THIS IS LIKE A DREAM IN POLITIQUE ........WHEN TULSI AS ALL THAT POLITICAL MACHINE OF HER FATHER PLUS THE MILLIONS OF BUTLER
AND ONLY A HOMELESS MAN IS ON PATH TO ......A $179,000 A YEAR JOB ...AND YOU WHERE BARELY A MASSAGE THERAPIST 5 YEARS AGO .
TOUCH WOOD TULASI ...........WHEN CNN COME ASKING WHO IS THAT BUTLER ? CAN WE TALK TO HIM ? OK WE WILL HAVE FACE MASKS DURING THE INTERVIEW................ITS A MODERN COMEDY TRAGEDY

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HERE A LAST VIDEO ...THIS FORUM AS GIVING ME THE COURAGE TO OPEN ANOTHER CAN OF WORMS RIGHT AT THE SOURCE OF ISKCON

PRABHUFRAUD ......WAS VERY QUICK TO USE ALL THE NAMES OF PRABHUPAD .....AND CLAIN TO BE HIS REPRESENTATIVE
BUT WHAT ABOUT SWAMI BHAKTIVEDANTA ...USE OF MONEY COMING FROM DRUGS ......HIS VIEW THAT WOMEN ARE 9 TIMES MORE LUSTY
HONOSEXUALITY IS DEMONIAC ...MAN NEVER WENT TO THE MOON
IS BUTLER ALSO REPRESENTING THAT SIDE OF SWAMI BHAKTIVEDANTA ?....HE SURE AS NEVER SAID THAT BHAKTIVEDANTA SAID THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE AN UGLY RACE ..............ITS A FREAKING COMPLICATING STORY ...FOR THE PUBLIC TO START UNDERSTANDING THESES CULTS

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON MY VIDEO IS SO WELCOME AND ITS BECOME MORE ENCOURAGING TO DO MORE
THANK YOU

If TG is elected, there is a risk that she might be tempted to put trusted figures from her childhood in positions of political power, and that patronage network might remain long after she is out of office.

Why do I hazard a guess that if elected, she might not be in office for more than a term--or two?

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ELECTION TO PUBLIC OFFICE BRINGS INCREASED ACCOUNTABILITY AND SCRUTINY

Will tell you that if one is elected to public office, one can no longer control media exposure. Dad can stay home with his acolytes, serving them helpings of toenail soup. But Tulsi, once elected, has to face reporters who have the right to ask questions and get answers.

What she says and how she votes will be on public record.

And its like being back in grade school. Your attendance is taken. Your absences are noted.

You become the junior member of the group you have been elected to. And you have to work in public to earn respect. Older eyes and long memories will be watching you.

Crises come up. One has to answer to constituents, answer to reporters.

Beyond a point, one cannot in public office, hide out behind one's entourage or behind staff members. Staff members will take the rap for you - for a while- but eventually, they become fed up.

Even if one is elected to public office and finds ways to staff an office mostly with those who share one's background and belief system, there are others working in the statehouse who have been there a long time.

Those others at the statehouse have powerbases of their own. They will see you and your entourage coming and going at all hours.

There is an infinity of ways to leak information to journalists.

You cannot scare or fire them. Guards and janitors see plenty, too. So do the file clerks. So do the administrative assistants. People work late hours at Congress and the statehouse and even at City Hall.

There are eyes and ears everywhere, and cell phone cameras.

These old timers know what is normal culture in Congress, in the statehouse (or in city hall, whatever city you get elected to). They will be quick to resent being shut out or shoved aside. They remember snubs--either your own or snubs carelessly administered by your inexperienced helpers.

And, lobbyists will have been at the statehouse for a long time. They remain while various officeholders come and go. They know what is normal culture vs abnormal for the statehouse. They cannot be scared off, either.

Here is an example of how scrutiny reveals personal troubles. In this case a long time congressman who had served in Washington with distinction, had difficulties when elected mayor of Oakland.

Unlike a private person--or for that matter, a guru, this man's work and his absences were soon noticed and reported on by the media.

Despite his fine work in Congress, Dellums had trouble functioning in his role as Mayor. He didnt make himself available to reporters. His wife took over a lot of matters that only the mayor was supposed to handle. His lack of availablity was greatly resented by his constituants, and by the media and contributed to a low morale at City Hall.

This was commented on. Boy was this commented on.

This is what one faces if one is elected to public office and fails to show up.

And...Dellums had won respect and affection during his very many years in Washington DC. People were genuinely sorry that he could not come through as Mayor.

But they didnt cut him any slack. Why? Because there were consequences. The welfare of an important city was suffering.

Attention had to be paid and was not.

The citizens, City Hall employees, and the journalists had plenty to say.

Mr Dellums was not re-elected.



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Others had some questions about the political context and it is worth reviewing these again.

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corboy
If TG is elected, there is a risk that she might be tempted to put trusted figures from her childhood in positions of political power, and that patronage network might remain long after she is out of office.

Why do I hazard a guess that if elected, she might not be in office for more than a term--or two?

[forum.culteducation.com]

ELECTION TO PUBLIC OFFICE BRINGS INCREASED ACCOUNTABILITY AND SCRUTINY

Will tell you that if one is elected to public office, one can no longer control media exposure. Dad can stay home with his acolytes, serving them helpings of toenail soup. But Tulsi, once elected, has to face reporters who have the right to ask questions and get answers.

What she says and how she votes will be on public record.

And its like being back in grade school. Your attendance is taken. Your absences are noted.

You become the junior member of the group you have been elected to. And you have to work in public to earn respect. Older eyes and long memories will be watching you.

Crises come up. One has to answer to constituents, answer to reporters.

Beyond a point, one cannot in public office, hide out behind one's entourage or behind staff members. Staff members will take the rap for you - for a while- but eventually, they become fed up.

Even if one is elected to public office and finds ways to staff an office mostly with those who share one's background and belief system, there are others working in the statehouse who have been there a long time.

Those others at the statehouse have powerbases of their own. They will see you and your entourage coming and going at all hours.

There is an infinity of ways to leak information to journalists.

You cannot scare or fire them. Guards and janitors see plenty, too. So do the file clerks. So do the administrative assistants. People work late hours at Congress and the statehouse and even at City Hall.

There are eyes and ears everywhere, and cell phone cameras.

These old timers know what is normal culture in Congress, in the statehouse (or in city hall, whatever city you get elected to). They will be quick to resent being shut out or shoved aside. They remember snubs--either your own or snubs carelessly administered by your inexperienced helpers.

And, lobbyists will have been at the statehouse for a long time. They remain while various officeholders come and go. They know what is normal culture vs abnormal for the statehouse. They cannot be scared off, either.

corboy,
I've also thought, knowing what an opportunist Tulsi's father Mike Gabbard is, of the real possibility that he used Butler instead of the other way around. Now his daughter is off to a fine career too on the back of Butler's slave group. At some point, she won't need the cult to win anymore.
In fact, her winning the election may do more to expose Butler than anything so far! History has a delicious irony.

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In today's (Sunday, 10/21/12) Honolulu Star-Advertiser there is an article that says that Tulsi Gabbard loaned her campaign a total of $98,000 " in the days leading up to the August primary."

See Gabbard fronted campaign $98,000 just before victory

You may have to register for a free Honolulu Star-Advertiser account before you can see the full article online.

This seems interesting to me. Suspicious, also.

atheist,
Can't read without paying. Could you cut and past pertinent parts on this forum please?

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MIZ TULSI GOES TO WASHINGTON
From the Hare Krishna Women Blog. This is a long but interesting exchange. If Tulsi politics bores you move on...

Vrajabhumi,
You neglect to understand one very important point. Tulsi has never publicly acknowledged her history or connection with Chris Butler and his Science of Identity cult. All she needs to do is be honest about her upbringing and whether she still follows him or not.

Voters deserve full disclosure about whom they vote to represent them. It appears as if Tulsi is being dishonest about this aspect of her life for political gain. It strikes me as disingenuous. The secrecy and deception surrounding Butler and his followers is what I find disturbing. The family’s involvement with Chris Butler is an open secret. We ALL know the Gabbard’s and the Nishikis and Rick Reed had deep connections with Butler. It is well documented. One can find out more on the Rick Ross forum.

Voters have a right to know how deep those connections go. Some of us are very familiar with Butler’s brand of spirituality and do not agree with it. I for one need clarification and honesty from TULSI regarding her ties to the Science of Identity Foundation and to Butler. Does she consider him an advisor like Billy Graham or does she consider him as good as God and has surrendered her life to him? What does she accept or reject regarding her spiritual upbringing? Neither she, nor her campaign aides will answer these questions. Why?

Known Butler followers support Tulsi so it seems as if she is still very connected. What does she have to give in return for their support? Is she a free agent or an agent of a secretive and reclusive cult leader?

You ask what harm has been done? While they may be good on environmental issues, their social issues have been harmful. TULSI, by her own admission acknowledged the harm she had done to people with her intolerant views. Has she really changed? If yes, why does she not disavow her childhood guru and their beliefs? Or has she been forbidden by him to mention him by name? I for one, do not want a leader who is beholding to any religious figure in our government.

You avoided this main issue by attacking an older gentleman personally who is just expressing his opinion. You may not care for the way he talks, but he brings up some valid points and asks important questions. Your attacks on him reflect back on you as a Butler apologist or follower.

Veezee
Tulsi has claimed to be a Gaudiya Vaishnava, what you’re demanding is for her to satisfy the desires of a handful of people on the Internet to disclose whether or not she is a faithful follower of Siddhaswapurananda Chris Butler. Why do you feel it’s her obligation to do so? Does every politician need to disclose all of their religious or social ties whenever anyone asks them, and if not are they then subjected to endless speculation of being nothing but automatons brainwashed into doing the bidding of someone they never chose to follow in the first place?
As for your claim that since “known” Butler followers support her therefore that proves she is his puppet, consider this: Before Brannon “Vrindavan” Parker (ex-gurukuli from ISKCON owner of[www.vedicempire.com]) started to speak to some influential Hindus (he knows a bunch) about Tulsi being a Gaudiya Vaishnava, possibly none of this would have come out. He started telling Indians he knows about her and they got excited and reached out to her and the Indian media, it resulted in a lot of publicity for her in the Indian community as well as contributions to her campaign. Vrin Parker is most definitely not a Chris Butler follower, I know him.
He grew up in ISKCON and his parents are well known Prabhupada disciples, and he’s a well known admirer of Sridhar Maharaj. The reason (probably unless they’re close, he’s a Hawaii guy) he pushed her into the consciousness of Hindu Americans and the media in India is because he’s been politically active and supports Gaudiya Vaishnavas of whatever organization or guru, if he likes them. So to claim that the only reason any of the people connected to Chris Butler would support her is if she was his puppet is simply your conjecture. You don’t seem to understand that just like ISKCON has many ex-members who still have a connection but in no way act as agents of Prabhupada or some ISKCON guru in their daily life, why is it so hard for you to believe the same about Chris Butler’s organization? They have the same exact philosophy, worship the same Prabhupada as the font of perfect wisdom, and believe it or not they have the same type of ex-members, i.e. people who sympathize to varying degrees but are in no way interested in being mouthpieces for Prabhupada or some guru on each and every topic that Prabhupada spoke on.
I think you guys are being hyper-critical, Chris Butler’s cult is no different than ISKCON during the zonal acharya days, and it’s the same in some places in ISKCON. Paramadvaiti is no different. Neither are other gurus who teach in the Prabhupada mold. They all preach the same, more or less, and have the same agenda (whatever Prabhupada taught since they all present him as their calling card, so to speak). Why is it that Chris Butler enamors you guys so much more than all the others?

Vrajabhumi,

When someone commits to public office, while we have freedom of religion, a candidate is still held up to scrutiny against special interest groups. That is why there are campaign financing laws, so no one group, religion, corporate monopoly, foreign power can gain control over the government and therefore undermine the will of the people.

Unfortunately, campaign financing laws are not effective and money pours into candidates under the radar from all of the above sources. So we have unscrupulous politicians that have started wars for economic gain, bailed out corporations and banks instead of helping the people affected by their crooked deals and mortgages, why GMO foods are not banned, and why our constitutional rights are slowly being chipped away. So it is very important to know the underlying belief system a candidate has in order to make an informed decision about public policy.

It is irrelevant that there is a spectrum of Hare Krishna beliefs (as with any religion). You are correct in that it is a private matter for a private citizen where one stands on this spectrum, unless it harms another. In my opinion it does matter whether Tulsi is a “moderate” or not. Obviously she separates her personal and spiritual beliefs regarding abortion from her party platform. But the real ethical issue for me is not so much religion but deception.

By your own admission you state that Tulsi was essentially forced to reveal her “religion” as Hindu. Claiming to be a Gaudiya Vaishnava is a good cover story, but not exactly the truth. So the information was spun for political and financial gain. In the same way it was deceptively implied that her so-called “Missionary School” was religious and Christian*, when in fact it was a Butler indoctrination school. *(Most people think Christian when they hear the word missionary).

It is equally irrelevant that people other than Chris Butler’s cult donate and promote Tulsi’s candidacy. It does not disprove that Butler has undue influence over his politician followers. The concern lies in that there has been a constant ruse about the Gabbard’s (and other Butlerites in politics) connection to the Butler cult.

What does matter? First, one has to distinguish between a valid religion and a harmful cult that exerts undue influence over their adherents. I would vote for a moderate Muslim who would support issues I found important. I would not vote for a Muslim whose agenda was to bring Sharia law to the United States. How would I know if they lied about their agenda or not? I would rightfully investigate the background, financing, affiliations, and life of that person. If you are going to represent me as a law maker, I want to know exactly who you are and what you will do with the power I hand to you with my vote. That is the right of every citizen.

I personally have no respect for a person who willfully deceives or spins things in a way to manipulate me. Not one of Butler’s politician followers has ever come forward to reveal him as their guru or even advisor. At most they admit that they practice “Bhakti Yoga” or are “Guadiya Vaishnavas”. In reality, by definition, they belong to a destructive cult, whose values do not reflect mine any more than Sharia. My concern is that they keep their real views hidden.

What is relevant is if Tulsi has given over her life to a narcissistic cult leader or not. It is relevant if she believes Butler is God’s representative on earth and has to obey and serve him to his satisfaction. It is relevant if she believes that only by pleasing her guru can she please God. It is relevant if her very spiritual life depends on the whims of her guru’s needs for adulation and pleasures. This is heady stuff and a powerful motivation to go against the people’s interests over the guru’s. I do not agree to vote for her guru by proxy. There is plenty of evidence that he is a destructive cult leader who has harmed a lot of people. I do not share the values of the cult of Butler, nor Butler himself. So yes, it is important to know where Tulsi stands on the spectrum, but more importantly, how she will act based on her beliefs. If she is so good, she should be able to be open and honest about her affiliations.

Perhaps Tulsi is a moderate and gains strength from her faith and gets spiritual advice from her guru as would any leader from his pastor, priest, or rabbi, but also has the freedom, without consequences, to act on her own conscience. That is a different story. One has to differentiate between a healthy relationship with an advisor and an unhealthy one. So why all the secrecy? That’s the million dollar question, whose answer is complex and will lead you down a dark hole of understanding how cults and mind control really work. While everything is candy coated with sweetness and goodness on the outside, underneath it is rotten.

The fact is I do not know what Tulsi will do with her power. Her secrecy, as well as the secrecy of the cult is truly disturbing. If it is so innocent, why do they engage in subterfuge and deflection? If she is dishonest about one aspect of her life, she could also be dishonest about other things during her political career. Maybe she will be a wonderful and beneficent leader who truly takes the wise lessons of the Bhagavad Gita on leadership and rejects harmful aspects. Thomas Jefferson literally cut chunks out of the Bible and eventually rejected slavery even though it was condoned in the Old Testament. Perhaps she has all the good qualities of a pious and just leader. We won’t know for many years. She is poised on a razor’s edge.

VERA WROTE TO ME
I find this hard to say, but I must tell you that I did find your reference to Bali Mardan as "this Jewish gangster" really offensive.
He may have been born to a Jewish mother, but he is not a Jew.
He may be a gangster, but why point out he was born a Jew? If he truly lived as a Jew is supposed to live, he would not rip off people.
I know you are not an anti-Semite, but this was a pejorative statement that comes off as such.

Thank you sister Vera
But also you must understand that there was a very active jewish mafia in the HARE KRISHNA
the first leaders and gurus ....Tamal Krishna(very New York jewish guy ) was the main boss who plan the whole scenario after swami Bhaktivedanta left ...he was at the origin of the original guru scams ...Bramananda (long time New York president ) his brother Gargamuni ....who everybody call GARGAMONEY ...Umapati ....Hridayananda .and a dozens if not an hundred of others where Hare Krishna but they trusted each other with secret money dealings because they where jewish (might sound weird to you but it was a fact ).....and that JEWISHNESS was something that was not erase even if they where Hare krishna .....and Bali Mardan got access to the money (he stole minimum a million dollars .....mostly from the NEW YORK TEMPLE .....partly because he was jewish and had jewish devotees associates in key positions ......handling the money .
Sound weird ......but there was a jewish mafia within the HARE KRISHNA mouvement .....and beleive me they use that jewish thing to their advantage.

Anyway if you knew the story like I do ......you would know that there was a JEWISH MAFIA in the Krishna mouvement .
Just like the homosexuals of ISKCON knew each other very well and had their club ........and the pedophiles knew each other and had their little club .........and where shipping children to be abuse from New Vrindavan to India and vice versa .......the jewish guys knew who was jewish hare krishna and who was not ....and it was one more reason for them to trust and work together for the $$$ ...a cult within a cult.The Hare Krishna mouvement is much more weird than you ever think it was .....dear Vera ............my quote stays where it is
My new granchild is 100% jewish and I will pay for the BAR MITZA ....so I am not antisemite ....

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VERA WROTE TO ME
I find this hard to say, but I must tell you that I did find your reference to Bali Mardan as "this Jewish gangster" really offensive.
He may have been born to a Jewish mother, but he is not a Jew.
He may be a gangster, but why point out he was born a Jew? If he truly lived as a Jew is supposed to live, he would not rip off people.
I know you are not an anti-Semite, but this was a pejorative statement that comes off as such.

Thank you sister Vera
But also you must understand that there was a very active jewish mafia in the HARE KRISHNA
the first leaders and gurus ....Tamal Krishna(very New York jewish guy ) was the main boss who plan the whole scenario after swami Bhaktivedanta left ...he was at the origin of the original guru scams ...Bramananda (long time New York president ) his brother Gargamuni ....who everybody call GARGAMONEY ...Umapati ....Hridayananda .and a dozens if not an hundred of others where Hare Krishna but they trusted each other with secret money dealings because they where jewish (might sound weird to you but it was a fact ).....and that JEWISHNESS was something that was not erase even if they where Hare krishna .....and Bali Mardan got access to the money (he stole minimum a million dollars .....mostly from the NEW YORK TEMPLE .....partly because he was jewish and had jewish devotees associates in key positions ......handling the money .
Sound weird ......but there was a jewish mafia within the HARE KRISHNA mouvement .....and beleive me they use that jewish thing to their advantage.

Anyway if you knew the story like I do ......you would know that there was a JEWISH MAFIA in the Krishna mouvement .
Just like the homosexuals of ISKCON knew each other very well and had their club ........and the pedophiles knew each other and had their little club .........and where shipping children to be abuse from New Vrindavan to India and vice versa .......the jewish guys knew who was jewish hare krishna and who was not ....and it was one more reason for them to trust and work together for the $$$ ...a cult within a cult.The Hare Krishna mouvement is much more weird than you ever think it was .....dear Vera ............my quote stays where it is
My new granchild is 100% jewish and I will pay for the BAR MITZA ....so I am not antisemite ....

dabcult, Here is my rebuttal since you are making this conversation public.

Gansters of a feather flock together. Yes I am aware there is a so-called "Jewish" Mafia who flock together based on cultural connections, just as do the Italian Mafia, the Catholic Mafia, the Russian Mafia, the Black Mafia and so on. It has more to do with the people with whom they grew up, and with whom they naturally come in contact. It has more to do with neighborhood loyalties over religion. The Irish grow up with the Irish, the Jews grow up with other Jews. Naturally, they will hang out, know, and trust their own kind. Like attracts like. Criminals attract other criminals. It's that simple. Being born a Jew or into a cult is not a choice. Being a criminal is a choice. Those Hare Krishna guys were gangsters because they were gangsters, not gangsters because they were Jewish. They all shat on their heritage the moment they put their asses in the air bowing down to idols. They are no longer Jews in my opinion.

No one accused you of being an anti-Semite. I just found your characterization in bad taste. When you use phrases like, "they use that jewish thing to their advantage" and "that JEWISHNESS was something that was not erase even if they where Hare krishna" while referring to people who rip off millions of dollars, you are unconsciously propagating the same old stereotypes against Jews since before the days of the fabricated Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which has justified countless violent acts against Jews from time immemorial.

That "something that was not erased even if they were Hare krishna" was the fact that they chose to be crooks that even being born a Jew or becoming a Hare Krishna could not erase.

If there was a group of non-Jew criminals in the cult, I would not characterize them as "this Gentile Gangster" or "the Goyim Mafia".

You may think this is all just semantics, but words have power and influence actions.



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