Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: May 05, 2012 04:02AM

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VoxVeritasVita Das
Flashlight- you are spot on!
Excellent work.

Thanks for the support. I made a mistake in last post above and gave an unusable link to the property owned by cult member Francis P. Martin and allegedly rented to fellow cult member, Tulsi Gabbard. To access the data you will need to click on this link:

Property search

and paste this into the parcel ID box: 210040400798

Then click on the first link for Francis Martin. You will see the address and unit number is the same as the one Tulsi lists as her apartment.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: krishnacaitanya ()
Date: May 05, 2012 05:43AM

Butler knows that the religion is crap. He may have believed in his younger days like so many of us did.
But over time anyone with a bit of intelligence has to question beliefs. Butler may be dangerous but he is smart. He has figured out that religion is just old thoughts from old days brought forward to the present because of fear. He now uses the religion to enslave people. Just like all religions do. Except that Butler is mean to the core.
And don't no one tell me that he doesn't have sex

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: krishnacaitanya ()
Date: May 05, 2012 05:44AM

sex with his wife. Why else would he live with her? He has fooled a lot of people!

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: May 05, 2012 09:05AM

A few more links related to Frank Martin and his cult controlled storage businesses, Discount Storage, Hawaii Container, and Storage Castle. The website for hawaiicontainer.com hosted at dreamhost has been taken down today; what are they hiding or destroying? If law enforcement reads this message board, they might have plans to search these storage rooms and containers for incriminating evidence and contraband.

[www.storage-castle.com]

[hawaiicontainer.com]

[hbe.ehawaii.gov]

Tulsi claims an implausible 91% donations from individuals.
[www.opensecrets.org]

Tulsi's mother had a similar complaint about campaign violations. They didn't dig deep enough.

[the.honoluluadvertiser.com]

If someone wants to message me current or past home addresses for other Gabbards including Mike, I will dig deeper.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: dabcult ()
Date: May 06, 2012 02:42AM

There is the Yoga Nidra which is used in many centres and actually Wai Lana's Yoga DVDs uses the same techniques that are taught in your cult and is shown in history with the Sai book and his Psychic sleep book.
i AM READING EVERY POSTS slowly ....I am a hypnotherapist that as work with more than 10,000 clients (stop smoking ...weight control ..phobias ext ) individually and in seminar settings
Anyone that as study deeply hypnosis knows that SOI and Chris Butler as been using hypnosis and mind control since the very beginning.. I personally witness BUTLER doing a psychic sleep session in 1971.
Its not a very complicated scam.....in the guise of yoga and meditation you bring the prospects to the centers....give him or her ..direct ..and indirect and post hypnotic suggestions....and then after a number of sessions SOI present to them "THE GURU OF THE UNIVERS" all is well plan leading the prospects to the INITIATION ceremony .......make your vows ......get a new spiritual name ....promise that you enderstand that the GURU is as good as GOD. then you are instructed that HE IS "YOUR TICKET TO PARADISE" Bowing down repeatadly saying the special mantra making him the focus of your mind and your heart ......and start seving...and VOILA ....now its 25% of your income and every words of the cult leader "IS AS GOOD AS GOD" and if you have the good fortune to eat one of his sacred nail clippings .....(you might just get quicker to the "pure devotee level" and have a good spot reserve for you in the KRISHNA loka planet ...after you are dead.) Pretty crasy ...but thats the bottom line )
Its the same basic story ....in Scientology ..or the UNIFICATION church of SUNG YUNG MOON...or the Now KALKI AVATAR of the ONENESS mouvement and UNIVERSITY ...its not difficult to brainwash peoples simply because a large number of individuals are extremaly suceptible to being hypnotise in all its forms ...psychic sleep ...Nidra yoga ...progressive relaxations ....intense mantra repeating sessions ... day long indoctrination sessions
I lost track of CHRIS BUTLER 40 years ago ...(and focus on my own life )and only a few weeks ago reading postings on this forum
on vacation in Hawaii ...looking at all the banners of TULSI GABBARD ...made me whant to know what had become of the skinny guy I met in 1971
(as describe on my video on YOUTUBE) look up MEMORIES OF PRABHUPAD CHRIS BUTLER JAGAT GURU SIDDHASWARUPANANDA PARAMAHANSA SCAM).......I had no idea that he had become so MEGLOMENIAC....abusive ..cruel and very rich on the back of diciples.

I feell very sad for the innocent people that get brainwash by this and other cult....lots of testimonials on YOUTUBE of ex SCIENTOLOGY students that lost 10 to 20 years of their life working for little or no money ....having their life control ...having to separate yourself from famaly and friends ....its the same as SOI...on a bigger scale.....ITS so important that torganisation like RICK ROSS and www.freedomofmind.com are doing ...it might save a few from being trap for life
My YOUTUBE channel is called DEATHMEDITATION.....and soon CHRIS BUTLER will have to come to that DEATH door...like all of us .
He might have a a big surprise then .....and find himself on the wrong planet ( NO RADHA KRISHNA ...no flower paradise...now docile spiritual cows )
Maybee he will find himself on one of those dark planet with a" LAKE OF FIRE " There he might deeply lament that he will have no more access to the AIR PURIFYING machines that he as bought for hundreds of thousands of dollras on his earthly mansions ....while some of his diciples ...lived in cars and tents to raise money for Mr UNIVERS and his QUEEN bee.
FORGIVE MY ENGLISH >>>I AM FRENCH EDUCATED

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: dabcult ()
Date: May 06, 2012 08:04AM

How he learnt to brainwash people in the first place is curious. A surfer bum on an island beginnings hypnotizing his fellow surfers to gain submissive worship is interesting. The way Siddha repeats his sentences using different phrasing over and over, and suggests that followers should listen to his lectures regularly certainly shows that he is expoiting those who come in contact with his cult searching for knowledge by indoctrinating them and turning people into his personal slaves. Curious people who are new to this religion are shown how attractive the philosophy is, then fed up with delicious foot-water cooked food, seranaded with nice music, taught relaxation techniques to have them feeling good before playing a mind control tape which turns them into robots. If you are new how would you know the leader is adept at brainwashing people? No cults recruit followers from their compounds with men standing at the entrance way with guns. That all comes later

i find this posting PAGE 172 OF THIS FORUM ...MOST INTERESING AND INTELLIGENT
Swami Bhaktivedanta told me many times that if an unqualified guru ..give initiations and promise "SURE I WILL TAKE YOUR KARMA" and sure "I will guide you to Krishna paradise "...he will soon be so overwelm by the KARMA he is taken on and mind games of lies and deceits with his "DICIPLES" that he will go MAD ....IS Chris BUTLER on his way to madness ...or is he already there ?

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: May 07, 2012 07:08AM

I have looked some of the Youtube videos that Dabcult (above) mentions. He uses the name Deathmeditation.
Denouncing Chris Butler

It is obvious that Dabcult has considerable skill in front of a camera and I applaud him for publicly denouncing Chris Butler.
In this day of the "sound bite", he should stick to a story line that will hang Butler and his gang.
I find his rambling delivery to be too esoteric. Most people have no interest in the history of the Hare Krishna.
However, people will jump to a story of crime, manipulation of elections, and people living the good life on fraudulent income.

The comments listed below this video mention allegations of a warehouse with armed guards, hoards of cash, credit card scams, wrongful death, missing persons, weapons, drugs, tax evasion, and money laundering.

There is No Statute of Limitations on tax fraud: if there is a "willful attempt to evade or defeat tax", there is no statute of limitations for assessment. The IRS can audit your return at anytime if they can prove fraud or evasion

Two new Tulsi Gabbard for congress yard signs are erected in Lanikai at a property owned by "Henrietta M. Maxey" and "Homer A. Maxey" and also one owned by "Florence Y. Webster"; If a community of wealthy, educated people like Lanikai can be manipulated by Chris Butler and Tulsi Gabbard, what chance is there for the rest of the people of Hawaii?

Won't someone else help me out here and let's uncover more proof of tax fraud by the Gabbard family, Down to Earth, and Chris Butler with his inner circle?

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: May 07, 2012 09:38AM

Its not just the people of Hawaii that have to on guard, he wants to spread his message of hate around the world.
This is from a 2008 posting renouncing the Australian Yoga School that belongs to Butler:


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"Australian School of Meditation and Yoga (ASMY):
Local Governments Fund Cult Recruitment
Indymedia Sydney
July 29th, 2008

Local government resources are being expended to support a recruitment drive by the Australian School of Meditation and Yoga, a branch of the international Science of Identity Foundation. This cult, which worships Hawaiian Chris Butler aka Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa as 'good as God' has been dodging criticism since former members began speaking out via the internet in late 2006.

ASMY has never formerly responded to their critics, and has refused to answer any questions which have been put to them. Advocates against the cult have been stalked, intimidated, harrassed and attacked with attempts to shut down and then purchase the central awareness site www.cultofbutler.com being made in late 2007.

ASMY advocates complete isolation from family and friends, providing communal living on the Gold Coast, the main centre of followers in Australia for young people to leave home. Followers work primarily in cult owned businesses or engage in the free labour of 'devotional service'. Chris Butler advocates polygamy for men and violence against wives, as well as preaching against homosexuality, racial minorities and women.

His key text, 'Who Are You? Discovering Your Real Identity' used by ASMY in their meditation and yoga classes, and freely distributed to children and young people, contains graphic detailed references to strip clubs, pornography, the claim "marriage is nothing more than legalized prostitution" teenage sex, abortion, child pornography, child prostitution, homosexuality, bisexuality, sex toys, sexual violence, bondage, rape, rape/murder, orgies, paraphilias, cannabalism, snuff movies and beastiality.

Meditation techniques, which are included in all physical yoga classes, and advertised as being for health, relaxation and stress relief are identical to progressive relaxation hypnosis (called 'deep peace' in Science of Identity) and lead participants in distinct sectarian rituals designed to worship Chris Butler and the Hindu deity Krishna. ASMY claims to be 'spiritual' rather than 'religious' and engages in gradual indoctrination and 'bait and switch' recruitment techniques.

The most critical example of Council support is on the Gold Coast, QLD, where the City Council has entered into a partnership arrangement with ASMY as part of their Active and Healthy Program, providing venues and publicity, as well as the guise of respectability of being supported by local government, for meditation and yoga classes throughout the local region. Councils are also providing venues for recruitment in the Sydney suburbs of Glebe, Marrickville, Manly and Burwood.

Despite a detailed submission being made to councils no action has yet been taken to cease support of recruitment activities in any of these locations.

A protest site has been set up at www.australianschoolofmeditationandyoga.com with information, media reports and sugguestions for action specific to ASMY.

There is a good opportunity considering the facts about ASMY and their large dependence on public venues that their ability to recruit could be severely limited if met with opposition. Persons interested in supporting shutting down this cult are welcome to contact former members through cultaction@hotmail.com or phone 0431088544. "


see link:
[www.cifs.org.au]



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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: dabcult ()
Date: May 07, 2012 11:27AM

It is obvious that Dabcult has considerable skill in front of a camera and I applaud him for publicly denouncing Chris Butler.
In this day of the "sound bite", he should stick to a story line that will hang Butler and his gang.
I find his rambling delivery to be too esoteric. Most people have no interest in the history of the Hare Krishna.
However, people will jump to a story of crime, manipulation of elections, and people living the good life on fraudulent income

Thank you very much for your kind comment MR FLASHLIGHT.....I am studying in a Canadian film school and getting more confortable everyday speaking in front of the CAMERA
Helping ex students of the HARE KRISHNA by exposing the abusers as been very good way to use my skillsas a psychotherapist ...many ex students have gone in therapy since my YOU TUBE video came out ..look for
"HARE KRISHNA SCHOOLS OF HORRORS "
There is actually very few of us left ..that actually associated with AC Bhaktivedanta directly 24 /7 for several years on end ..and can speak about it ...the good and the bad ..I was fortunate to be most of the year 1970 and 1971 in INDIA and observing closely SWAMI Bhaktivedanta in his own BANGALEE environnement ...it was in many way facinating to be with him...with the very rich and the very poor...and going at at the KUMBA MELA with him...that is where I met TUSTA KRISHNA ...the right hand man ..(and totally brainwash diciple of BUTLER who told me in confidence many many things about the way BUTLER was operating in HAWAII in 40 plus years ago ...lots of mind control and hypnosis even then .....
No wonder BUTLER was the only person at the time who came to the HARE KRISHNA MOUVEMENT with some followers ....they had been under his hypnotic influence all along ....and the $28,000 CASH he gave Swami Bhaktivedanta plus $10,000 cash later ...maybee just drops in the bucket ...
DID ...TUSTA and other BUTLER followers organising big drug deals ??...And making sure that the "GODFATHER" was not directly involve?? DID BUTLER enjoy the fruits of their scamming and dealings ???What do you think ?
Unfortunatly SWAMI BHAKTIVEDANTA tooks in millions of dollars in cash from devotee like GURUKRIPA to build temples in INDIA print books ext
without asking much questions of how this money was made.
In the case of GURUKRIPA ...he sold large quantities of HEROIN ....and went to jail for it for several years ....HE did not care a bit if young people in EUROPE where dying from drug overdose ....IT WAS all about HIS "DEVOTIONAL SERVICE TO HIS GURU "
SOUND FAMILIAR ???
The video that you are refering to was done many months ago when I did not know how dispicable the BUTLER cult was ...I only discover this forum a few weeks ago ...while researching who was TULSI GABBARD...while on vacation in HAWAII
The video was made with a focus on the diciples to SWAMI Bhaktivedanta .....it was not intended to be seen by the general public ... or as an expose of the BUTLER cult ...
But I think you will like what is coming ....GOD willing

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: May 08, 2012 12:05AM

"Thank you very much for your kind comment MR FLASHLIGHT.....I am studying in a Canadian film school and getting more confortable everyday speaking in front of the CAMERA" ..."But I think you will like what is coming ....GOD willing"

You are very welcome and I look forward to watching your next video on the Lanikai Cult. Here are some more things to consider in your documentary confrontations.


Tulsi Gabbard claims to be a graduate of Hawaii Pacific University (HPU) with a degree in International Business. Has anyone verified this with the school? Why is there no mention of student loans on her financial disclosure form when she lacks the assets to pay such expensive tuition? Or, did Chris Butler use Science of Identity funds or cult business funds to put his protégé through college?
How does someone with no prior military experience serve in the Hawaii National Guard and deploy to the war zone in the Middle East? Did Chris Butler and Mike Gabbard pull some strings in order to perfume this pig of a candidate? Perhaps U.S. Senator Daniel Kahikina Akaka used his influence for Tulsi and her cult-member, sister Vrindavan Gabbard.

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