Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: January 10, 2012 08:31AM

Hear hear.

Plus..2012 is an election year. All the more reason to monitor 'em.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: atheist ()
Date: January 12, 2012 04:03AM

Tulsi Gabbard Listed by Pro Choice Emily's List

The latest crazy wrinkle in the Tulsi Gabbard for Congress effort is that Tulsi has been listed by the Pro Choice Emily's List

Tulsi is campaigning as Pro Choice and Pro Civil Unions

As everyone knows, Jagad Guru Chris Butler, his cult, the Science of Identity Foundation and Tulsi's parents, Mike and Carol Gabbard are vehemently against abortion and against equal rights for LGBT people. Mike Gabbard (Krishna Katha das) has been a regular speaker or performer at the annual Hawaii March for Life events held in Honolulu for many years.

There is a Change.org petition set up urging Emily's List to Withdraw Tulsi Gabbard's Listing

Meanwhile, Emily's List has Registered with the Hawaii State Campaign Commission

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: pachelbeld ()
Date: January 12, 2012 05:02AM

I went to the Berkeley Psychic Institute in Santa Rosa California. Sitting in a line doing 'readings'. Michael, a leader, says to me, "You're on the hotseat". The lady doing the short readings says of me, "I know what he knows. I can't control him."
This is a holy word, cross, church.
Check out the Berkeley Psychic Institute Cult on the internet and you will see more of this control agenda.
Also, check out the movie The Haunted 1991 on the internet. Go to part 8. Then go to the 2 minute and 54 second part and just LISTEN.
May these Satanists end up as such.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: January 12, 2012 08:49AM

Yo, bra Pachelbeld, ya in da wrong forum! OR Is this another Butler apologist/minion trying to sidetrack some interesting new revelations?
It won't work.
We will never stop.
In fact we need to alert the LGBT community immediately and let them know that Tulsi has conveniently changed sides
in order to realize her spiritual masters aim- controlling the government of the US. Why hasn't Homeland Security been notified about this clandestine and secret Chris Butler organization masquerading as a Yoga and "non profit business" that wants to infiltrate from within to spread their hatred and fear, their doctrine of superiority and narrow-mindedness?
Sign the petition above that Atheist has posted and make sure and post the link to this forum as a warning for those that do not see the lies that Tulsi is conveniently spreading now. Do and say anything to get into power, that about sums it up, right Butler?
If you do your research you will already see that the Chris Butler Cult Group has already been looked into by various other governments.
Perhaps if soneone were to ask for documents thru the Freedon of Information Act, that may reveal other investigations into this insidious group.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Vera City ()
Date: January 18, 2012 10:51AM

Thanks Vox for the hysterical George Carlin clips. Very appropriate to Butler.
...and "mango Kool-Aid" made me laugh out loud!

Saw Wai Lana chips at World Market (Cost Plus). Made in Australia, distributed in Carmichael, California. These are Butler slave-made products. Perhaps we should protest World Market or at least contact their corporate office.


Found this ---
[www.civilbeat.com]
Leftward Journey a Hoax?

see comment
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Hawaii Citizens for the Separation of State and Church

Tulasi Gabbard, and yes, it is Tulasi, not Tulsi, must openly and publicly disavow her father's bigotry, before the public should accept her "leftward" political drift. The name "Gabbard" is synonymous with ignorance and bigotry in Hawaii. Tulasi may be little more than a political opportunist, a stealth candidate, faking a move toward the left to gain votes, yet planning to support a right-wing agenda if elected. Of serious concern, is her hiring of Devon Bull to be her campaign manager. Devon Bull was a hard-core "Gabbardite", who worked for Stop Promoting Homosexuality Hawaii, the Alliance for Traditional Marriage and Values, and Hawaii's Future Today, which were among Hawaii's most bigoted and hate-spewing organizations over the last 20 years. Mike Gabbard, a protege of Chris Butler and Rick Reed, remains highly influential in Tulasi's political life. If Ms. Gabbard desires to clear her conscience and join the progressive liberal movement, she must prove herself, by publicly disavowing her father, she must fire Devon Bull, and she must begin actively and openly supporting groups on the left, including PFLAG, Planned Parenthood, ACLU of Hawaii, HCSSC, and other progressive civil rights organizations. All of these organizations should extend invitations to Ms. Gabbard to address their committees and membership, so that she may have opportunity to express her true feelings and beliefs on social issues.


Why doesn't any reporter just ask Tulsi to disavow her association with Butler and the specific issues she disagrees with her father?
Do you think it is possible that she is sincerely trying to distance herself from the beliefs of her father?
Even if she was trying to escape the cult, or didn't believe in Butler any more,
do you think she would be able to leave?
given the power of the cult and political power of her father in Hawaii?
and a lifetime of indoctrination????

Maybe one day she will write a "Son of Hamas" type book too! That would be great!
Son of Hamas



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/18/2012 11:09AM by Vera City.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: atheist ()
Date: January 18, 2012 07:20PM

Devin Bull (Dhama das) was Mike Gabbard's Campaign Manager for U.S. Congress in 2004


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Vera City: Hawaii Citizens for the Separation of State and Church
Devon Bull was a hard-core "Gabbardite", who worked for Stop Promoting Homosexuality Hawaii, the Alliance for Traditional Marriage and Values, and Hawaii's Future Today, which were among Hawaii's most bigoted and hate-spewing organizations over the last 20 years.

It is Devin Bull, who was initiated Dhama das, according to an earlier post from cultreporter

Ironically Devin Bull (Dhama das) was Mike Gabbard's campaign manager when he ran for the same U.S. Congressional seat that Tulsi Gabbard is currently running for, the 2nd Hawaii Congressional District, against Ed Case in 2004.

Back then, Mike Gabbard (Krishna Katha das) ran as a Republican. Ed Case was the incumbent Democratic Party congressman.

Now Hawaii State Senator Mike Gabbard is a Democrat, as is Tulsi Gabbard.

Link to Article Mentioning Devin Bull as Mike Gabbard's Campaign Manager in 2004

Link to August 2004 article "Who is Mike Gabbard" that mentions Jagad Guru Chris Butler and the Science of Identity Foundation cult



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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Vera City ()
Date: January 19, 2012 02:17AM

Thanks for the links.
Oddly, voters in Hawaii just see a personable guy who plays the guitar and a cute daughter/soldier who have the Aloha spirit.
As I have stated before, their involvement with Butler is no secret, but no one seems to care except for the gay and lesbian community.
The article also answers my question and explains how deftly the Gabbards dance around the cult issue. Teflon.
This article is from 2004! That is SEVEN years ago!!!
Who is Mike Gabbard?

Had Mike not come under Butler's spell, it is doubtful that he would have entered politics or become so homophobic. He took on things against his nature, which is what cults make people do. Mike and Tulsi both have had their political careers made by the Godfather Butler with his network of followers' support. All this is well documented and evidenced by known cult members involvment in all the campaigns. Follow the dotted lines back to Butler. So how can they really "distance" themselves from the cult with so much indebtedness? Not even mentioning the psychological binding that cults have on members...the entrenchment is so profound... but I can hope that one day Tulsi and others will wake up and expose the cult.

The problem is that unless the gay and lesbian issue is important to a voter, no one really gives a sh*t.
Hawaiians are traditionally very tolerant of other's beliefs, even if they are intolerant beliefs.
Mike, being "native" himself with a Samoan heritage is also a plus politically --- "...so the bruddah is a little strange, he's still akamai and do good for da aina...he still no stinkin' haole..." Obviously no one cares that his ideas and legistlation have been spoon fed into this hollow man.

Opponents will really need to make the case of how being a puppet of a cult will harm what matters to Hawaiians.
Astoundingly, but not culturally surprising, is that he keeps getting elected.

Not to be cynical, (but I am), I wonder if people really care about who is running the show as long as they can still walk the beach in flip flops?
My optimistic side says it is only a matter of time when the younger generation comes forward to tell the truth.
There is already a soft revolution in progress just waiting for a few, unselfish, and brave individuals to unmask Mr. Butler once and for all.
Maybe it can't happen until the Fearless Leader dies.

But don't think for a moment that Gabbard's opponents have not been looking for dirt on the cult, its donors to his campaigns, labor abuses, tax evasion, money laundering, etc. But you are dealing with a clever group that knows how to cover their tracks. There is a slip up somewhere. There are mistakes being made. Someone is going to sing like a bird. They will be caught.

To followers and exers who are following this forum:
Yes, it is unpleasant to look at the truth, and if you have escaped with your lives and "just want to move on", think again.
Document and save everything, every peice of evidence.
You want to do some good in the world, then come out and expose this bastard so he can't exploit another generation!!!!!



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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: January 19, 2012 06:00AM

Get these homophobes out of the closet.

The thing to stress to the media and public is that they're with holding important information that voters need to make a citizen's informed decision at caucus meetings and the polling place.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: January 19, 2012 06:19AM

Those who have bigoted hangups about LGBT people, whatever their belief system, very often do not respect medical and legal autonomy and privacy for women and girls, either.

Dont let homophobes in office for just that reason alone.

A homophobic society is grim for everyone because it imposes oppressive rigid gender roles upon men and women who are heterosexual. One hears reports of women in the military who have been threatened with being falsely accused of lesbianism unless they gave sex to men they despised.

Sensitive men and boys are scared into hiding this for fear of being accused of homosexuality. Worse, they may allow other boys to be bullied for fear of accusations of being homosexual if they dare defend another child being tormented with false accusations.

Homophobia is a problem for all of us and that means anyone running for office who actually has bias against the LGBT community and hides that bias needs to be shoved out of the closet ASAP so the public can know the full truth by the time they vote.

Defining the LGBT community as the despised outgroup is the way to scare heterosexual men and women into line.

Another way to examine this:

The GLBT/Queer people, poor persons of color, all females of reproductive age--are, in terms of civil liberties, the canaries in the coal mine for all of US society.

These are the persons for whom full civil liberties are 'negotiable' or something for which society 'isnt ready yet.'

Our rights to make private medical decisions about family planning (which also includes abortion), a fair days pay for a fair days work, and GLBT people's freedom to go through all years of school without being bullied, without being harassed in the workplace or in public, the freedom to date, to partner, adopt children, visition rights and yes, contract civil marriages that will safeguard children and transfer of property and eldercare--

We are the ones whose civil liberties are considered by mainstream society as negotiable and optional--with no input from us.

What can be done to us can be done later to the rest of the the US if a bigoted, cultic, secretive 1% are allowed to sneak into public office concealing their actual beliefs prior to election.

Again, what can be done to the LGBT community, women, girls, and poor persons of color can be done later, to those who think they're 'not one of those people.'

If society is safe and courteous and respects autonomy and privacy (including sexual and medical privacy) for LGBTs women, girls, and poor persons of color--that society will be good for everyone.

Keep an eye on the Butlerites and get the word out, especially if you have friends in the Marriage Equality movement, the LGBT media or legal aid societies.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: just-googling ()
Date: January 19, 2012 08:02PM

Bump! I just bumped into this video of Chris Butler's former doctor, proclaiming to a guru in India that there was no hari-katha, no slokas, no bhajan, no gayatri in Siddhaswarup's group ... In layman's terms I think he means:

NO fellowship
NO friendship
NO joy
No love
No compassion?

[www.youtube.com]

(I suppose this is the same doctor who stated that Chris was suffering from paranoid delusions?)

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