Christopher Hansard
Posted by:
amethyst
()
Date: January 18, 2007 11:16PM
With regard to your query about Christopher Hansard and the allegations (spurious – as far as I am concerned) regarding him - I would like to say the following:
I have been associated with Christopher since 2002 – firstly as a patient and later as a Therapist in his clinic at Eden Medical Centre, Kings Road, London. As a patient, I was attended by Christopher and his assistants.Their attention to me was at all times compassionate and professional.
I never at any time had recourse to worry about or suspect his medical qualifications. It was obvious to me that he knew what he was doing and in my opinion, his students regard him as an especially gifted physician and teacher – otherwise they would hardly remain with him year after year.
Also, I have attended most of Christopher’s seminars over the last 5 years and also studied his lectures to the Oxford Union, which is by invitation only and is a platform for only the most illustrious people in their profession.
During these last 5 years of attendance at Christopher’s seminars, I have been in the company of several thousand people – many of whom are regular attendees at his workshops – pursuing, as in my own case, to further my spiritual development.
Most of us found this experience to be quite profound!
To your accusation of “bullying” – I would say: Christopher is a very strict task master and at the beginning of most seminars, several people have been asked to leave for reasons relating to drug or alcohol abuse or unseemly behaviour. Of course, this generated a small core of disgruntled people, who would delight in “bad-mouthing” him and would do so at any opportunity.
The seminars, wherever the venue, were attended by the First Nation people of the area, upon whose land we were guests. They treated Christopher with the greatest respect and offered their wisdom for our consideration in the knowledge that – as in their own tradition, the Dur Bon tradition of the Northern Treasure School is an oral tradition and there are many similarities. Also present were visiting Tibetan monks, who I believe, would not waste their time attending if they regarded Christopher as a flaky charlatan.
You refer to Christopher as a Healer/Therapist/Guru.
As for “Healer” - we are all healers. As for “Guru” – Christopher does not allow that word to be associated with him.
He is not an orthodox medical doctor – he does not prescribe drugs.
He is – by his training – a Physician of Tibetan Medicine, and his training was highly intensive – on a one-to-one basis with his teacher, as is the custom in this tradition.
Christopher’s kindness, integrity, compassion and integrity to his patients is legendary.
Since viewing your remarks on this forum – many have come forward to tell me of various such instances.
One lady told me of going through a most difficult time post-divorce and having succumbed to alcohol addiction – that Christopher would send one of his students , to sit with her for a few hours in the evening to ensure she was alright – free of charge.
In another case, I learned that early in 2003 the daughter of a friend was terminal with stomach cancer.
Christopher asked that she be brought to him for a consultation and said that for as long as it took – he and all the students would do everything possible for her – free of charge.
Sadly, she deteriorated very quickly and Christopher said “Well – if she can’t come to me – I will go to her”.
He attended her in the hospice, gave her treatment over several days to alleviate her pain and asked her if she would like him to sing a little Tibetan hymn. She said she would love that. He held her hand and sang his little hymn and she went into a deep sleep. Three of his students attended her on several occasions and she found their ministrations to be so very soothing. Christopher would not accept any money from her although it took 3 hours out of his day on each occasion. A few days later – she died.
The compassionate love he showered on this dying girl and later on her mother in her grief is a memory that is precious to her.
Care of the dying is an important part of the Dur Bon tradition.
Your remarks about him walking a thin line between light and dark seems to be to arise out of ignorance – the lack of understanding of powers that my be acquired from specialised training. Even the C.I.A. and Russian Intelligence services are trained in Remote Viewing etc. Indeed, anyone can avail themselves of such a training if they so desire and they are most powerful.
With regard to “emotional abuse” – I believe that during the seminars when Christopher was approached for a private consultation – there were some who felt emotionally stretched because he didn’t give the answers that were expected They felt challenged and upset. This however was an initial reaction – as was proved later. His technique was to bring “the demons” to the surface where they could be recognised and dealt with. During this time, support was always available from Christopher himself and also his students. Such techiques are standard in clinics all over the world.
You could compare it to those people who need to be “molly-coddled” who go to their doctor saying “Fix me” and are disenchanted because the doctor, instead of giving them a pill – tells them to go on a diet – to exercise more etc. But they are not willing to make any personal changes and so tell their friends what a lousy doctor he is.
The remarks posted on this forum appear to arise from gossip and rumour from a few disgruntled people who appear to be quite distanced from Christopher.
I am wondering about the purpose of this Witch-hunt and the dedication apparent in destroying his reputation at all cost.
I am of the opinion that this pursuit says more about you – the perpetrators – than about Christopher.
“Gondolph” alludes to “his money-man having a major misfortune” etc. and he would like to hear more about that.
To that – I say –Financial disasters happen to a lot of people all the time. It has nothing whatsoever to with Christopher’s character or integrity. We here feel enormous sympathy for the people concerned. This “ wanting to know” amounts to a gross intrusion of privacy and is none of your business.
I am also interested in the laws of slander and libel that such defamation of another’s character and integrity is bandied about in the public domain.
While you are busy preparing the cross on which you plan to nail Christopher – I would remind you of Christ’s words pertaining to His perpetrators --- “Father – forgive them – they know not what they do”.
I have been associated with Christopher since 2002 – firstly as a patient and later as a Therapist in his clinic at Eden Medical Centre, Kings Road, London. As a patient, I was attended by Christopher and his assistants.Their attention to me was at all times compassionate and professional.
I never at any time had recourse to worry about or suspect his medical qualifications. It was obvious to me that he knew what he was doing and in my opinion, his students regard him as an especially gifted physician and teacher – otherwise they would hardly remain with him year after year.
Also, I have attended most of Christopher’s seminars over the last 5 years and also studied his lectures to the Oxford Union, which is by invitation only and is a platform for only the most illustrious people in their profession.
During these last 5 years of attendance at Christopher’s seminars, I have been in the company of several thousand people – many of whom are regular attendees at his workshops – pursuing, as in my own case, to further my spiritual development.
Most of us found this experience to be quite profound!
To your accusation of “bullying” – I would say: Christopher is a very strict task master and at the beginning of most seminars, several people have been asked to leave for reasons relating to drug or alcohol abuse or unseemly behaviour. Of course, this generated a small core of disgruntled people, who would delight in “bad-mouthing” him and would do so at any opportunity.
The seminars, wherever the venue, were attended by the First Nation people of the area, upon whose land we were guests. They treated Christopher with the greatest respect and offered their wisdom for our consideration in the knowledge that – as in their own tradition, the Dur Bon tradition of the Northern Treasure School is an oral tradition and there are many similarities. Also present were visiting Tibetan monks, who I believe, would not waste their time attending if they regarded Christopher as a flaky charlatan.
You refer to Christopher as a Healer/Therapist/Guru.
As for “Healer” - we are all healers. As for “Guru” – Christopher does not allow that word to be associated with him.
He is not an orthodox medical doctor – he does not prescribe drugs.
He is – by his training – a Physician of Tibetan Medicine, and his training was highly intensive – on a one-to-one basis with his teacher, as is the custom in this tradition.
Christopher’s kindness, integrity, compassion and integrity to his patients is legendary.
Since viewing your remarks on this forum – many have come forward to tell me of various such instances.
One lady told me of going through a most difficult time post-divorce and having succumbed to alcohol addiction – that Christopher would send one of his students , to sit with her for a few hours in the evening to ensure she was alright – free of charge.
In another case, I learned that early in 2003 the daughter of a friend was terminal with stomach cancer.
Christopher asked that she be brought to him for a consultation and said that for as long as it took – he and all the students would do everything possible for her – free of charge.
Sadly, she deteriorated very quickly and Christopher said “Well – if she can’t come to me – I will go to her”.
He attended her in the hospice, gave her treatment over several days to alleviate her pain and asked her if she would like him to sing a little Tibetan hymn. She said she would love that. He held her hand and sang his little hymn and she went into a deep sleep. Three of his students attended her on several occasions and she found their ministrations to be so very soothing. Christopher would not accept any money from her although it took 3 hours out of his day on each occasion. A few days later – she died.
The compassionate love he showered on this dying girl and later on her mother in her grief is a memory that is precious to her.
Care of the dying is an important part of the Dur Bon tradition.
Your remarks about him walking a thin line between light and dark seems to be to arise out of ignorance – the lack of understanding of powers that my be acquired from specialised training. Even the C.I.A. and Russian Intelligence services are trained in Remote Viewing etc. Indeed, anyone can avail themselves of such a training if they so desire and they are most powerful.
With regard to “emotional abuse” – I believe that during the seminars when Christopher was approached for a private consultation – there were some who felt emotionally stretched because he didn’t give the answers that were expected They felt challenged and upset. This however was an initial reaction – as was proved later. His technique was to bring “the demons” to the surface where they could be recognised and dealt with. During this time, support was always available from Christopher himself and also his students. Such techiques are standard in clinics all over the world.
You could compare it to those people who need to be “molly-coddled” who go to their doctor saying “Fix me” and are disenchanted because the doctor, instead of giving them a pill – tells them to go on a diet – to exercise more etc. But they are not willing to make any personal changes and so tell their friends what a lousy doctor he is.
The remarks posted on this forum appear to arise from gossip and rumour from a few disgruntled people who appear to be quite distanced from Christopher.
I am wondering about the purpose of this Witch-hunt and the dedication apparent in destroying his reputation at all cost.
I am of the opinion that this pursuit says more about you – the perpetrators – than about Christopher.
“Gondolph” alludes to “his money-man having a major misfortune” etc. and he would like to hear more about that.
To that – I say –Financial disasters happen to a lot of people all the time. It has nothing whatsoever to with Christopher’s character or integrity. We here feel enormous sympathy for the people concerned. This “ wanting to know” amounts to a gross intrusion of privacy and is none of your business.
I am also interested in the laws of slander and libel that such defamation of another’s character and integrity is bandied about in the public domain.
While you are busy preparing the cross on which you plan to nail Christopher – I would remind you of Christ’s words pertaining to His perpetrators --- “Father – forgive them – they know not what they do”.
Christopher Hansard
Posted by:
rrmoderator
()
Date: January 18, 2007 11:47PM
ted:
You say,
Please explain exactly what that is and how the profession is regulated within the United Kingdom.
What educational requirements does this include?
What licensing process did you go through professionally?
You also said,
Does he also reciprocate by referring clients to you?
You say,
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I am a natural health therapist
Please explain exactly what that is and how the profession is regulated within the United Kingdom.
What educational requirements does this include?
What licensing process did you go through professionally?
You also said,
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over the past 10 years have refered various clients to Mr Hansard.
Does he also reciprocate by referring clients to you?
Christopher Hansard
Posted by:
rrmoderator
()
Date: January 19, 2007 12:03AM
Amethyst:
You say,
Does this mean you currently work with and/or are working for Christopher Hansard? What is your current relationship with him?
What qualifications were required of you through education and licensing to become a "therapist"?
How are you specifically licensed and regulated as a therapist within the UK?
Did you attend college and obtain a degree? A post-graduate degree?
If so, please specify your educational credentials and how they specifically relate to your title of "therapist" and any licensing requirements in the UK.
You said,
So does this means that other than your subjective experience with Hansard you have never taken the time to verify objectively his qualifications?
You also repeatedly refer to the "students" of Christopher Hansard.
Does he have an official school?
If so, how is his school accredited, licensed and regulated within the UK?
Would its course credits be transferable to another school, such as a college or university?
Please be specific and explain.
You say,
You seem to suggest here that Hansard is something of a messianic figure comparable to "Christ"? Is that how you see him?
If it is not, what mistakes has he made that you would acknowledge in his teachings and practice?
Is there any basis that you would acknowledge for criticism of Hansard, if so what is it?
You say,
Quote
firstly as a patient and later as a Therapist in his clinic at Eden Medical Centre, Kings Road, London
Does this mean you currently work with and/or are working for Christopher Hansard? What is your current relationship with him?
What qualifications were required of you through education and licensing to become a "therapist"?
How are you specifically licensed and regulated as a therapist within the UK?
Did you attend college and obtain a degree? A post-graduate degree?
If so, please specify your educational credentials and how they specifically relate to your title of "therapist" and any licensing requirements in the UK.
You said,
Quote
I never at any time had recourse to worry about or suspect his medical qualifications. It was obvious to me that he knew what he was doing
So does this means that other than your subjective experience with Hansard you have never taken the time to verify objectively his qualifications?
You also repeatedly refer to the "students" of Christopher Hansard.
Does he have an official school?
If so, how is his school accredited, licensed and regulated within the UK?
Would its course credits be transferable to another school, such as a college or university?
Please be specific and explain.
You say,
Quote
the cross on which you plan to nail Christopher – I would remind you of Christ’s words pertaining to His perpetrators --- “Father – forgive them – they know not what they do”.
You seem to suggest here that Hansard is something of a messianic figure comparable to "Christ"? Is that how you see him?
If it is not, what mistakes has he made that you would acknowledge in his teachings and practice?
Is there any basis that you would acknowledge for criticism of Hansard, if so what is it?
Christopher Hansard
Posted by:
gondolf
()
Date: January 19, 2007 01:34AM
Amethyst,
No one is trying to slander anyone. No one is trying to intrude upon his privacy. I apologize if I have given that impression.
We are interested in a reference - some reference, any reference - that gives credence to his claim of where he got his training.
In a world filled with charlatans, crooks, con men, thieves and false teachers, is that really too much to ask.
In that he refuses to do so, and gets snarky when anyone asks, makes people suspicious.
As for the other allegations, perhaps you yourself should have a little compassion and understand how many people have been verbally, emotionally, physically and spiritually abused by different kinds of teachers, healers and authority figures of all kinds.
People are willing to give him the benifit of the doubt if it is simply his eccentricity, or his crazy wisdom, or his mirroring of people's own inner reality. Or perhaps he is someone who wears his shadow on his sleeve.
However, that is not clear, and as some people have indicated certain aspects of his behaviour are incongruent with a person of integrity. These are serious and legitimate concerns for someone in his position. Again, you need to understand that in this world, in this climate, this is not a witch-hunt. That is your, or his, paranoia.
No one is above questioning - not even him. Or, to redirect your comment, "does he know not what he has done?"
No one is trying to slander anyone. No one is trying to intrude upon his privacy. I apologize if I have given that impression.
We are interested in a reference - some reference, any reference - that gives credence to his claim of where he got his training.
In a world filled with charlatans, crooks, con men, thieves and false teachers, is that really too much to ask.
In that he refuses to do so, and gets snarky when anyone asks, makes people suspicious.
As for the other allegations, perhaps you yourself should have a little compassion and understand how many people have been verbally, emotionally, physically and spiritually abused by different kinds of teachers, healers and authority figures of all kinds.
People are willing to give him the benifit of the doubt if it is simply his eccentricity, or his crazy wisdom, or his mirroring of people's own inner reality. Or perhaps he is someone who wears his shadow on his sleeve.
However, that is not clear, and as some people have indicated certain aspects of his behaviour are incongruent with a person of integrity. These are serious and legitimate concerns for someone in his position. Again, you need to understand that in this world, in this climate, this is not a witch-hunt. That is your, or his, paranoia.
No one is above questioning - not even him. Or, to redirect your comment, "does he know not what he has done?"
Christopher Hansard
Posted by:
vaidya
()
Date: January 19, 2007 01:56AM
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The seminars, wherever the venue, were attended by the First Nation people of the area, upon whose land we were guests. They treated Christopher with the greatest respect and offered their wisdom for our consideration in the knowledge that – as in their own tradition, the Dur Bon tradition of the Northern Treasure School is an oral tradition and there are many similarities. Also present were visiting Tibetan monks, who I believe, would not waste their time attending if they regarded Christopher as a flaky charlatan.
flagrantly drinking alcohol on a dry First Nations reserve isn't exactly what i would call respect - since this infraction, CH and his gang are not allowed back at the Nakoda lodge, just west of Calgary, where his Alberta workshops were previously held - this just brings me back to the issue of "walking your talk" - whether it be him or his more "advanced" inner circle students
and with regard to the visiting tibetan monks - who are they? we want names so they can be confirmed
the only i have heard of is Geshe YongDong in Courtenay BC, who as Pema has indicated, has asked not to be associated with CH (but we are still awaiting Pema to provide some direct communication around this issue) - this is despite the fact that CH spent a significant amount of time in the Courtenay/Tofino area of Vancouver Island, but not one image nor mention of him can be found on the www.sherabchammaling.com website... that seems odd
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As for “Healer” - we are all healers. As for “Guru” – Christopher does not allow that word to be associated with him.
as i said, this is semantics... teacher + disciples/apprentices = "guru" - guru may have a negtive connotation in this forum, but really that's all guru means
however, "guru" does typically denote a high moral standard, ethic and personal responsibility that CH may be conveniently denying...
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One lady told me of going through a most difficult time post-divorce and having succumbed to alcohol addiction – that Christopher would send one of his students , to sit with her for a few hours in the evening to ensure she was alright – free of charge.
i'm not sure how CH would view "alcohol addiction" as a problem - more "walking the talk" issues
Christopher Hansard
Posted by:
gondolf
()
Date: January 19, 2007 03:08AM
Vaidya,
I see that you know something of his Alberta activities. I understand he has worked in a clinic at Calgary. Do you know anything of how he was received there, and what his relationship to the owner of that clinic is. Are they friends or business partners or anything like that? I can't imagine the alcohol incident which you described went over well there.
I see that you know something of his Alberta activities. I understand he has worked in a clinic at Calgary. Do you know anything of how he was received there, and what his relationship to the owner of that clinic is. Are they friends or business partners or anything like that? I can't imagine the alcohol incident which you described went over well there.
Christopher Hansard
Posted by:
vaidya
()
Date: January 19, 2007 03:11AM
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What qualifications were required of you through education and licensing to become a "therapist"?
How are you specifically licensed and regulated as a therapist within the UK?
Did you attend college and obtain a degree? A post-graduate degree?
If so, please specify your educational credentials and how they specifically relate to your title of "therapist" and any licensing requirements in the UK.
dear moderator
this is an irrelevant line of questioning - credentials in a system of traditional medicine mean nothing - its an imposition of western cultural values that in reality, are a relatively recent phenomena (and by the way, the practice of herbal medicine in the UK is protected under common law by the "herbalists charter" of Henry VIII)
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Does he have an official school?
If so, how is his school accredited, licensed and regulated within the UK?
Would its course credits be transferable to another school, such as a college or university?
this is also irrelevant - as per my answer above
if there were only ever "accredited" schools there would not be any complimentary and alternative medicine practitioners
besides which, professionalism and title are no guarantee of anything, if it were, then the debacle of Enron would never have occured at the hands of chartered accountants, and the medical profession in the United States would not be (at least) the #3 cause of death
anyway this is now off topic - i suggest we stick to fact finding about CH, his lineage, how he is perceived by the "legit" [i:e2e8db7e7d]tibetan[/i:e2e8db7e7d] bon community, and any injury or harm to his students and patients
Christopher Hansard
Posted by:
vaidya
()
Date: January 19, 2007 03:22AM
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gondolf
Vaidya,
I see that you know something of his Alberta activities. I understand he has worked in a clinic at Calgary. Do you know anything of how he was received there, and what his relationship to the owner of that clinic is. Are they friends or business partners or anything like that? I can't imagine the alcohol incident which you described went over well there.
as far as i know he was enthusiastically rec'd by the community associated wth the clinic in Calgary and was very friendly with the owner, and yes, i heard they had business dealings with regard to the line of products that were (are?) sold under CH's name...
Christopher Hansard
Posted by:
nikky
()
Date: January 19, 2007 05:28AM
I would like to say something with regard to Christopher Hansard.
In March of 2006 I became seriously ill. I consulted doctors in ireland and in London. I also consulted a chiropractor. No diagnosis was given but prescription for pain-killers were offered. I don't like to take drugs and so in July, by wich time I was confined to a wheel chair, a friend recomended that I contact Christopher Hansard.
I phoned the Eden Medical Centre and spoke to an apprentice, gave her a brief medical history but then discovered that Christopher's practise was on the 1st floor. I realised that I would not be able to attend as I would not manage to negotiate the stairs.
The apprentice said she would advise Christopher of my predicament and was sure he would do something for me.
The following day, Christopher came to my home accompanied by one of his apprentices. He brought with him some oils infused with herbs to be used for massage. Also he brought other herbs and gave me a regime to follow making use of such herbs which he said were anti-inflammatory. I was in intense pain involving muscles, nerves and bone, particularly my spine.
He followed up with phone call to check my progress.
I have now regained my health and as I am in my mid seventies am so very grateful.
I think that he is a wonderful practitioner who succeeded where others offered me nothing.
In March of 2006 I became seriously ill. I consulted doctors in ireland and in London. I also consulted a chiropractor. No diagnosis was given but prescription for pain-killers were offered. I don't like to take drugs and so in July, by wich time I was confined to a wheel chair, a friend recomended that I contact Christopher Hansard.
I phoned the Eden Medical Centre and spoke to an apprentice, gave her a brief medical history but then discovered that Christopher's practise was on the 1st floor. I realised that I would not be able to attend as I would not manage to negotiate the stairs.
The apprentice said she would advise Christopher of my predicament and was sure he would do something for me.
The following day, Christopher came to my home accompanied by one of his apprentices. He brought with him some oils infused with herbs to be used for massage. Also he brought other herbs and gave me a regime to follow making use of such herbs which he said were anti-inflammatory. I was in intense pain involving muscles, nerves and bone, particularly my spine.
He followed up with phone call to check my progress.
I have now regained my health and as I am in my mid seventies am so very grateful.
I think that he is a wonderful practitioner who succeeded where others offered me nothing.
Christopher Hansard
Posted by:
rrmoderator
()
Date: January 19, 2007 08:35AM
nikky:
Since no diagnosis was given how can you attribute how can you objectively say he is "a wonderful practitioner who succeeded"?
Your recovery could have just been due to the passage of time.
The experience you relate is subjective, not unlike testimonials given about faith healers.
You say Hansard was "accompanied by one of his apprentices."
Who are his "apprentices"?
Does he operate a school?
Is the school accredited?
How is it accredited?
Since no diagnosis was given how can you attribute how can you objectively say he is "a wonderful practitioner who succeeded"?
Your recovery could have just been due to the passage of time.
The experience you relate is subjective, not unlike testimonials given about faith healers.
You say Hansard was "accompanied by one of his apprentices."
Who are his "apprentices"?
Does he operate a school?
Is the school accredited?
How is it accredited?
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