To whom it may concern:

Personal attacks will not be approved and are against the rules.

This has occurred previously on this thread and will not be allowed.

Last warning.

Dear Moderator

I don't know if you were referring to my posts but I can assure you that I have no intention of launching personal attacks on anyone and I would hope that my postings - that are now getting through - clearly demonstrate that.

However there are postings in this forum that question my integrity, and are therefore personal attacks on me, which remain in public view and I feel it only fair that I should be allowed to defend myself.

Given Mr Bowe's constant demands for information from myself, Tibetan Way and others is it not reasonable for us to ask for some information about him? No one here seems to know Jeff Bowe personally and he has claimed extensive knowledge in various areas so surely he is capable of producing some evidence of his researches.

If you are referring to my last post - that has not appeared - I was simply attempting to seek clarification - albeit in a humourous manner - with reference to actual information that I have recently received regarding Mr Bowe.

Apologies if I have offended anyone - it was not my intention.

Chris

Chris_Farmer:

The subject of this thread is not Jeff Bowes.

The subject of this thread is Christopher Hansard.

Please focus on the topic of this thread or start another thread about another topic.

Dear Moderator, I am most grateful for your comments, as you may recall some contributors specialise in personal insult and wilful misiinterpretation, as Doroth Parker observed "You cannot teach an old dogma new tricks". Clearly those few supporters of Christoper Hansard fall into such a category.

I have chosen to ignore such invective, as the central point of this forum concerns the claims and activities of Christoper Hansard. In that context I am interested only in raising valid and critical questions, most recently these have touched upon the website Tibetan Way, which although purporting to produce and market Tibetan medicines, has thus far proved unable or unwilling to produce evidence that it possesses any authentic credentials in Tibetan medicine.

Morever, as has been referred to previously the products on offer bear a remarkable smiliarity to those formerly peddled by Mr. Hansard, furthermore we have of course the recent comments by that individual affirming that Tibetan Way's 'medicines' are his formulations. That being so, and one has to treat his statements with caution, then clearly Tibetan Way is not selling authentic Tibetan medicines, but the concoctions of a fraudster, whose claims to being a Master of Tibetan medicine have been reduced to ashes, most effectively by Doctor Barry Clark's authoritative statement.

There are simple solutions of course which could resolve this troubling matter. Tibetan Way could prominently place upon its website either:

A statement making clear to potential customers that the 'medicinal products' it provides are not authentic Tibetan medicines.

OR:

A statement detailing its qualifications and training in the Tibetan medical profession

Along with:

A declaration that the medicines it sells are not those orginated and/or previously promoted or sold by Christoper Hansard, or his former/current businesses.



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Chris_Farmer, I agree with others that it is unfair that your responses to Jeff Bowe’s questions on his blogs have disappeared. I note the same thing happened to the statement on the tibetanway website.

I remain intrigued by the whole tibetanway/Hansard thing.


On Sunday 25 May 2008 you said:

‘CH has no involvement with Tibetan Way and he is certainly not selling anything via that website.

I would however suggest that CH and / or his supporters are monitoring this Forum as only yesterday - presumably as a result of the postings here - we received the following email:

"Hello

I have noticed that on your site, you have copied and taken product descriptions of products that you neither own or made or hold the copywright to either formulations, name descriptions of either brands, product names or product descriptions. You have done this illegally and no legal claim in any form to those descriptions, and you are informed that you are been investigated and all any associations of which you are associated with will be informed of your activities.

please note that the writer and others know the exact history of these products, which you do not and if you continue selling these products you will find action taken against you, thank you for your time.

One of the product developers"

This came from the email address [...] and viewing bonmedicine.com it is a website that was either created by CH or by his supporters.’


Goodness knows what the author of that message was on but, on Monday May 26, this slightly more coherent message appeared on Christopher Hansard’s website bonmedicine.com:

‘Public Statement: Christopher Hansard and www.tibetanway.co.uk

It has come to my attention that a range of products with which I was once associated with as a developer, have appeared for sale on the website: www.tibetanway.co.uk. In the interests of protecting innocent individuals, their livelihoods and reputations from the same harassment I have endured, I wish to make clear that this site has no association with me in any way nor am I involved with it other than my development and my colleagues contributions to the products currently being sold, as has been evidenced by the borrowed descriptions and formulas.

Those former associates involved and who are linked to the site know the value of the products that I and others worked hard to design for the period of 5 years, and have obviously seen an opportunity in using them to profit themselves and hopefully to benefit others.

Christopher Hansard’


That was quite an extraordinary turnaround in the course of a day, especially considering it was a bank holiday and your clients were not available – at least not to you. I’d love to know the back-story, if you ever find yourself privy to it.


Returning to the subject of this thread I cannot help but notice the little victim whine in the statement from Christopher Hansard regarding what he perceives as ‘harrassment’.

I would like to remind him and his supporters that he is not a victim and this is not harassment. He is a bully, a liar, a cheat, a manipulator and an abuser of people’s trust. Like many who post here I am here not to harass him but to alert others as to his true nature in the hope that they will avoid him at all costs.


In the midst of this little tibetanway aside the following curious message appeared on the ‘Christopher Hansard comes highly recommended’ petition. This was posted on Wednesday, May 28 in response to a signatory whose signature was for some reason removed:

‘As the author of this petition I feel I need to remind those attempting to move the battleground to this petition that this is a place of positivity. All that I can offer is that two negatives does not make a positive, two wrongs do not make a right. If you are who I think you are then you will know that apologies and even mediation were offered to those who made their grievances known in person, not behind alias’ on the world wide web. A fact that undoubtedly you do not want the public to know.’

Again, I’m not sure what the author was on but I wonder if anyone can cast a light on this strange statement. I do remember way back in the days of Adam and Eve Mews and before, that Christopher Hansard’s response to any criticism or accusation from a patient was a rapid refund of fees in cash.



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Dorje

Some sanity at last! Bickering about Tibetan Way is not going to address any of the issues raised- and the chief ones seem to be women and men who feel they were taken advantage of.

There seem to be posts left right and centre happening on sites all over the net.

Perhaps some face to face meetings are called for? Perhaps the "apologies" being offered on the petition should be addressed first. So, who is apologising to whom and for what and is it accepted/be accepted if in written form/face to face. Some sanity please

Hurt messages on this site are painful reading and shameful for the perpetrator/s- so its time to look at some reparation and less recrimination perhaps

And perhaps another site for the issue of Tibetan Medicine and Bon?

And yes agreed, very odd worded emails are being sent from "anon" people working for Bon Medicine.com. Which is why this forum should lead the way in showing some discipline and sanity and respect. Respect for the wounded. And a way forward.

Dorje

I found this comment to me from one of your postings

James,

like so many of Hansard’s disillusioned patients and acolytes you demonstrate confusion. Do you really now think that Jeffrey Bowe is the problem? Perhaps if you had as much experience as Jeffrey Bowe has of the persecution and exploitation of the Tibetan community and its traditions you would understand him better. I understand Jeffrey Bowe’s anger. I am sure it is shared by many who like him have dedicated their lives to the preservation of the traditions of Tibet.


The answer to your question has been proven I feel, I have always been concerned for the victims. As to JB being our expert on Tibetan community, well I think you may find that some of his claims are just a little exaggerated.



My aim is still the same
Christopher should be dealt with under English law like any othe medical professional. This forum is about Christopher Hansard.



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To whom it may concern:

Don't share email addresses and contact information publicly on this message board, it's against the rules.

Please refrain from personal attacks, i.e. going after another member of this forum.

Last warning.

Dear Moderator,

All who are seriously interested in exposing and challenging the bogus claims and troubling activities of Christopher Hansard will welcome your comments.