My Response to Mr. Farmer's Posting on The Blog and Here..............

Thank you for taking the time and interest to post comments on the blog, your contributions are most welcome, particularly if they are positive and informative. As visitors will note the objective of this blog to is question whether the Tibetan medicinal products, offered for sale on the website Tibetan Way, are produced by individuals who have received recognised, formalised and authetic training in Tibetan medicine, which is a highly specialised and profound medical system requiring several years of dedicated theoretical and practical study.

In that context the nature of the blogs are speculative, a point made clear to visitors, within such a framework of questionning critique, it was speculated that Mr Christopher Hansard may have some association with Tibetan Way, which you assert is not the case. Many people will be extremely pleased to note your assertion, particularly those who have reported suffering abuse at the hands of the self-styled Master Physician of Tibetan Medicine, a claim which was exposed a complete fiction.

Whilst I too welcome your denial that this individual seemingly has no association with Tibetan Way, it would greatly assist the cause of clarity and confirmation if you, or other represenatatives of the 'company' (it is a registered company I take it?) would kindly formalise in writing, to an official body such as the Trading Standards Office in Greenwich (and Westminster as I know personally that they have an active interest in the current activities of Mr. Hansard) that Christopher Hansard is in no way associated with, in any capacity, either as founder, investor or active partner, with Tibetan Way, or possesses any other interests; commercial or otherwise to the 'company'.

Given your claim that this is indeed the case I would have every confidence that a company, which apparently values principles of accountability, transparency and honesty, would be more than willing to accomodate such a request, particularly if it wished to formally disassociate itself from an individual who attracted such negative publicty.

If I may return to the central issue, it is not I who has established an internet presence, which claims to produce and trade in, what is presented and suggested as being authentic Tibetan medicine. The responsibility therefore is upon Tibetan Way to submit for public scrutiny what Tibetan medical qualifications, training and experience it has, that enables it to present itself as a source of Tibetan medicine. Surely it would wish to inform and reassure potential clients of its bona fides? Of course some individuals may wonder why it is that such corroborative and relevant information appears so singularly absent from the website, they may ask, if there was a credible background in genuine TIbetan medicine such credentials would feature prominently upon the site?

I try to resist such critical speculation, however I remain curious and would respectfully enquire of you once again, in a genuine effort to clarify matters, to publicly state, via this blog, what genuine, formalised and authentic Tibetan medical training the staff and founders of Tibetan Way have received? At which recognized Tibetan medicial institute did they study? What were the dates of such training. It would be extremly helpful f you could provide verifiable material to address these important questions.

Please note that I am happy to feature your comments and reactions to the speculations and enquiries which appear on the blog. I value free speech and dissent and welcome an open debate on the issues being questionned. Furthermore I will willingly give every consideration to amending or withdrawing material, which you may perceive as being objectionable, as is my editorial right. However, I would request that two essential criteria are met, before any such process is initiated:

Firstly will you, and/or representatives of Tibetan Way submit a formal letter to the aforementioned Trading Standards Authorities making clear (and supported with offical company documentation lodged with Companies House, or other officiating statuatory body) that Christopher Hansard had no part whatsover in the establishment of your 'company', activities, and/or website. Moreover, that this individual has no current active or otherwise involvement, investment or association with Tibetan Way.

Secondly, will you and/or representatives of Tibetan Way kindly provide verifiable documentation that demonstrates that it has recognized and formal training and qualifications in authentic Tibetan medical practice and the preparation of Tibetan medicine.

Should you or any representative of Tibetan Way fully meet, without reservation, the aforementioned criteria, please note I will consider the speculation and enquiry regarding your website and activities to be concluded. However, if you or representatives of Tibetan Way are unable, or unwilling to agree, or furnish the requested information concerning these criteria, then questions will naturally remain as to the credibility and veracity of the claims made, concerning Tibetan Medicine, by Tibetan Way. In that situation I shall continue to exercise the right to freely speculate and critically examine Tibetan Way and its claims.



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With the renewed surge of energy on this forum created by mariac and thewayishere perhaps finally some action can be taken? Emailing Richard Lawrence at the website provided by thewayishere might be useful; anonymous forums are good for sharing experiences but don't really make it into the public view; they operate below the surface.

Many contributors on this site are once again highlighting very important issues, and their efforts to uncover the truth are welcome.

James has stated correctly that this forum raises a serious legal question of professional malpractice at Hansard's clinic. Mariac's recent brave and honest entries demonstrate that this is sadly still an ongoing issue.

I have been reliably informed that some former patients and students have contacted witness against abuse, the police, the council and insurers over the last year. They have not just disappeared as some have suggested in this debate. However, such a process takes time and is not necessarily simple or straightforward, so people are encouraged to come forward and present any important personal experiences they may wish to share.

Would someone please state useful links to Richard Lawrence and others if they could be helpful.

Atlantic - following the link that thewayishere posted I got the email address alternatives@richardlawrence.co.uk - as this link was in an article from 2000 one can't tell if it's still viable.

Dear Chris Farmer,

Thank you for your prompt and open reply, I think the letter you recived form 'one of the developers' ie CH says it all. Clearly you have no association with CH. Your reply answers my questions so I rest may case and say 'innocent of all associations'.


Dear JB

Given the honesty of the response do you not think that you aught to reconsider your postings? They have offered to meet you and discuss matters, they have not done a 'Morrisons Ghost' and they are involved in charitable causes. Do you want the causes they support which are for the Tibetan community to reconsider your position? I am sure they can change things or explain things or more to the point support your cause.

When this all started it was about bringing CH down, not a lashing out at what you considered 'tibetan cultural piracy'. In this instance lets keep on track and continue on with the case against CH, 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend' do you want their support or enmity? I ask this because on occasion your enthusiasum for the subject has driven away those who could have been of assistance to the cause of justice against CH. Have you considered that if you make an enemy of a group of people with clear links into the buddhist community world wide, what that could do for CH's cause and the damage it could do for the victims of CH?


James

Responsibility for the years of seeming abuse by Christopher Hansard rests firmly upon the shoulders of those who witnessed, experienced or were cognisant of such odious behaviour, yet maintained a shameful and complicit silence. Equally distasteful are the actions of those few individuals who continue to excuse, rationalise and defend Hansard, and his absurd Dur-Con fiction.



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Responsibility for the years of seeming abuse by Christopher Hansard rests firmly upon the shoulders of those who witnessed, experienced or were cognisant of such odious behaviour, yet maintained a shameful and complicit silence. Equally distasteful are the actions of those few individuals who continue to excuse, rationalise and defend Hansard, and his absurd Dur-Con fiction.

Dear JB,
we agree on the above issue. What you have to say is are you going to remove your posts against Tibeanway? Yes or no? Not several pages of historical eloquence, just a plain 'sorry got it wrong, will take it down'. To my mind if you dont you are using your power in a similar way to CH.

Lets keep on track and stop CH, he is in Victoria doing what he has always done.

James

Real-name-gone, goodness gracious more amazing coincidences:


[www.tibetanway.co.uk]

‘In our modern world that is sometimes uncertain and where life is becoming faster paced, all of us need things that provide harmony and encourage us to find within ourselves the meaning of such things as love, friendship, tranquillity and fundamental health.’

‘Beauty is health, health is beauty’

‘…safe and effective lifestyle treatments and products, from herbal supplements, to uplifting and relaxing room sprays to sensual aromatic candles, personal care products and a wide range of products designed for you and your well-being.’

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'In a world where life is becoming faster paced and sometimes uncertain, all of us need things to remind and encourage us to consider what life is really about. The meaning of friendship, love…'

'Health is Beauty, Beauty is Health'

'Health Programs, Bath, Body, Hair therapy, Room sprays, candles, Diffusing Oils.'


[www.tibetanway.co.uk]

Digestion Health Program

Contains three products: Good Digestion, Acid Free and Soul Food


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Digestion Health Program

Contains three products: Good Digestion, Acid Free and Soul Food


[www.tibetanway.co.uk]

Skeletal Support Health Program

Contains three products: Movement, Strength, Comfort

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‘This three part regime, together with the enclosed diet, meditation and exercise will ease soft tissue inflammation and strengthen cartilage making it easier for the body to return to its balanced posture’

Contains three products: Movement, Strength, Comfort


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‘Also included you will find safe and effective advice on eating, food, diet and dieting along with simple safe Tibetan meditation and exercises to do as part of the herbal health programme. Thus adding to a complete health care solution that you can use and do at any time. Each of the eight health programmes is designed on a theme of human experience or health need, so you will find a programme that is right for you. So take some time to explore each of them’

[www.tibetanway.co.uk]

‘From this reason each kit comes with a set of simple relaxation exercises, meditations and suggestions for physical exercise that take only minutes to perform along with dietary recommendations designed to enhance the effects of the products.’


Just chance? No association with Hansard and business colleagues? Chris Farmer willing to go to great lengths to defend a business without revealing whose business it is – when he is merely the web designer? Are you a stakeholder too real-name-gone?

Dear Dorje I take your point, though given CH record could it not be that he took the information from Tibetanway or they both obtained there inspiration from the same source?

No, I can say with a clear heart that I am not a stakeholder, I hope you will accept that in good faith. I make that comment because JB has been asked about his connections with CH several times and has never replied. As for asking CF about the people he represents, have you not heard of client confidentiality?

If this is associated with CH it will fail when we achive our aim. CH had called himself a 'physician' he should be judged as such and should be subjected to the same malpractice laws as any other physician registered in the uk. That is my standpoint, in his books and first web site he called himself a 'master physician'... treat his unlaful actions in that light.


James

Having received a further interesting and generous response from Chris Farmer, I think it only fair to extend a reply.

Unfortunately thus far we have only assertions that:

a) Christopher Hansard has no involvement, past or present , with Tibetan Way

and

b) A seeming uwillingness or inability to provide corroborative information, that would clearly demonstrate that Tibetan Way, or any individual associated with it, has received authentic, recognized and accredited Tibetan medical training in Tibetan Medicine.

Instead, Chris Farmer has presented a somewhat evasive, though intelligently worded response, that disappoints by declining the invitation to present formal written statements to verify that; Hansard has no involvement in Tibetan Way and that it (or persons associated with Tibetan Way) has followed a recognised and authentic course of genuine Tibetan medicine.

In the cut-and-thrust of such detailed communications sometimes the simple question is the most efficacious, in that regard I kindly request Chris Farmer to state here:

At which Tibetan Medical Institute did Tibetan Way, or any individual associated with it, study Tibetan medicine?

What did the course syllabus comprise of?

Which dates did any empoyee or associate of Tibetan Way (or individuals asociated with it) study Tibetan medicine at such an institute?

What was the name of Tibetan Doctors who administered and taught either Tibetan Way, or any persons asociated with it?

Can Tibetan Way provide any qualification or certification documenting that it (or persons associated with it) received an authentic and formal course of study in Tibetan medicine at a recognised Tibetan institue of medicine?

Will he, or others asociated with Tibetan Way, please make publicly available a formal written statement affirming that Christopher Hansard has no past, current or potential future involvement with Tibetan Way?

The simple provision of such a formalised statement and verifiable information that documents that Tibetan Way (or its associates) has studied and qualified in a recognised and authentic course of genuine Tibetan medicine will dissolve the current speculation and concern. As I have consistently made clear, my current speculative enquiry will be concluded, once such material has been made publicly available.