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So richard, it was out of the frying pan and into the fire for you, eh. One cult to another. You are a Jew for Jesus using this forum. Clever.
I have no such agenda vis a vis pushing Christianity of Rick Ross would have gotten on my case about it. I'm in the church for good reason and you don't have to agree about it. Judaism believes in miracles too not just Christianity and I have my doubts about all of it.
I'm not part of J4J and if they use subterfuge, which I've heard they do then I'm not into it.
I wasn't speaking about miracles, only the specific belief in the divinity of a mortal man or that he is God (part of trinity, incarnation, or whatever...). Judaism is the only religion I know about that does not raise a man to the level of a worshipable idol. Our brother Muslims have put a curious spin on the concept. They'll kill you for drawing a picture of Bro Mo, but praise his name daily and tell you that he lept on his magic horse from the Temple Mount in Jerusalem to Mecca! I don't need to talk about the dangers of this personality cult and [i:ba516ef070]new religion[/i:ba516ef070] (compared to Judaism and Christianity)!
You may or may not be a J4J. Just because you are not preaching Christianity does not mean you are not promoting their agenda, which is to defame their mortal enemy Chabad! LOL Take it easy. Jews have a lot of experience dealing with their periodic Shabtai Zvis (self proclaimed Messiahs). Sometimes some guys just go off the deep end to the Other Side! :D The Rebbe cult is already dying down. Be happy.
If the Rebbe cult is dying what do you think of the 1000 Chabad rabbis who "decided with certainty that the Rebbe is the "king Moshiach"?
This was not a recent proclamation, and if it was, not the totality of Chabad Rabbis. And as you know, not the majority opinion of world jewry or Rabbis. While there are many that still give lip service to this, there are cracks appearing everywhere. There are Chabad congregations that people go to specifically because the Rabbi doesn't preach this idea. It's a hot and living topic. You are either mishahest or an "anti" (anti-mishahest). "Antis" have to be careful and quiet in some places (Crown Heights) while in others, they are free to express. There are Chabad Rabbis who run independent synagogues from the control of regional directors (they also lose financial and other backing by doing this, so they are established congregations with good fundraising systems independent of Chabad). They even send the kids into independent orthodox or non-sectarian jewish day schools.
There are a lot of young Lubavichers and Baal Tshuvahs that never met the Rebbe that don't accept the idea for obvious reasons..... he died, never united Israel, and the third temple was not re-built --- all criteria for Moshiach not fulfilled.
Some of the same archaic yeshiva systems that you suffered under still exist in other streams of orthodox judaism as well, and the same jerks run them. But not all of the yeshivas are bad though.
No doubt Chabad is here to stay and even growing, but the younger generation is changing it. There are also the Chabad royalty that goes back generations that will continue the basic traditions ala the Previous Rebbe and support the yeshivas. In the Shliach conventions, Rabbis are being advised to no longer push the Rebbe/Moshiach thing (but still believe it). Chabad will survive, but not the cult of the Rebbe.
Since the Rebbes death, Chabad also doesn't hold so much power over Israeli politics anymore, as is obvious from recent events. And people are doubting more about the Rebbe's influence. If he was Moshiach, and more powerful as he is free from his corporal body, why are they giving back the land?????
Over time (perhaps a generation or two) the Rebbe will be looked at like another Shabtai Zvi cult in the history of Judaism. Either that, or a new cult similar to how Christianity evolved will emerge. But I doubt you will ever live to see the day when statues of the Rebbe or his teffilin pinned up on the walls with flower arrangements below! :D
Kol Tov.